Why Do I Continue to Read Peter King?

[Leather]

Buyer and Seller hypos don't really hold water here, in no small part because there is the UCC that provides for things like course of performance and usage of trade and the like.   That is: if Goodell tried to pull analogous shit in the context of buying or selling widgets (say, by saying the deal was cancelled because the other party forgot to send an invoice by fax or something, despite never caring in the past), there would be contract law and UCC provisions to fall back on to say "That's absurd, and you can't do that because that's not how these things work in the real world, and we know that because similar transactions occur millions of times a day, and you should know that too."
 
This is more akin to a contract for services between a principal and subcontractor where both parties are of equal sophistication and bargaining power, and where each situation is inherently unique and there's no presumption of underlying expectations.   
 
As to how the NFL should treat the NFLPA, well, that's customer relations, not contract law.

 

[Reverend]

You guys are arguing about the word "should"?
 
Nice!

 

[tims4wins]

King continues to slowly come to his senses
 

But how did we get from being at least generally aware of a scheme to deflate game balls to having “approved of, consented to, and provided inducements” to aid a scheme to deflate footballs?
If there’s more evidence beyond the Wells Report proving that Brady did what the league is claiming—and I don’t think there is—we need to hear that now.

 

[Granite Sox]

Bonjour, Haloti?
 
:barf:

 

[LMontro]

King continues to slowly come to his senses
 

 
But he can't bring himself to go far enough.  What if there ISN'T more evidence?  And what does that say about his chili summit partner?  

 

[nattysez]

This seems ripe for disaster.
 

On Wednesday, September 2nd, Peter [King] will return to [Harpoon] brewery to help tap the first keg of his MMQB Saison and talk football with some friends and we’d love for you to join us! Peter will be joined by fellow football writers and analysts Greg Bedard of Sports Illustrated, Albert Breer of the NFL Network, Ben Volin of the Boston Globe, Ron Borges of the Boston Herald, and former New England Patriot Matt Light for a night of talking NFL football… and drinking great beer. - See more at: http://www.harpoonbrewery.com/events/2439/a-night-of-football-and-beer-with-peter-king-and-friends#sthash.Sm33o06b.dpuf
 

 

[MarcSullivaFan]

This seems ripe for disaster.
 

I hope Light hands out atomic wedgies with extreme prejudice.

 

[Was (Not Wasdin)]

This seems ripe for disaster.
 

 
 
To be fair, you should have added on the last line from the blurb- "As if it could get any better, proceeds from the evening will benefit the Kenary Brain Tumor Research Fund."
 
Dan Kenary, one of the founders of Harpoon, has lost multiple family members to brain cancer.  I didn't know Dan or his brother Jim, who were a couple of years ahead of me at St. John's in Shrewsbury, but their mom was my guidance counselor in HS (and my brother's as well) and was an incredibly nice woman (she died a couple of years ago).  The Fund raises a ton of money to support research into adult brain cancers, which are among the most deadly types of cancer.  
 
He'd probably get a bigger crowd if the blurb read "Come raise money for a great cause, hang with Patriots legend Matt Light, and try not to let me, Borges and Volin ruin your good time."

 

[Doug Beerabelli]

Good beer. Bad panel.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Peter King ‏@SI_PeterKing  4h4 hours ago
One of the great days ever on training camp trail Tues: Spent an hour listening to Tommy Lasorda spin yarns. The guy’s an American treasure.
***
So a guy so proud of his lesbian daughter thinks the world of a guy who won't even accept his gay son, even in death

 

[Dahabenzapple2]

 
Peter King ‏@SI_PeterKing  4h4 hours ago
One of the great days ever on training camp trail Tues: Spent an hour listening to Tommy Lasorda spin yarns. The guy’s an American treasure.
***
So a guy so proud of his lesbian daughter thinks the world of a guy who won't even accept his gay son, even in death
 

hard to think of a more painful hour than listening to that dope "spin yarns" about Dodger Blue in the Sky bullshit

 

[joe dokes]

hard to think of a more painful hour than listening to that dope "spin yarns"

At least he included a picture:
 

 

[nattysez]

York and the younger Kraft are two of the most respected leaders of tomorrow the league has.
 

 
http://mmqb.si.com/monday-morning-qb-cris-carter-jordy-nelson-navorro-bowman-nfl
 
If Jed York is really one of the NFL's "most respected leaders of tomorrow," the league is in serious trouble.

 

[E5 Yaz]

hard to think of a more painful hour than listening to that dope "spin yarns" about Dodger Blue in the Sky bullshit

 
It's worse ... he's talking about his love for the Cowboys

 

[Leather]

Lol. 
 
Another board is discovering the joys of nitpicking Peter King.

 

[MyDaughterLovesTomGordon]

"Wow, PK, 15:24 is really good. Thanks for letting us know."
 
...
 
"Oh, really, you meant 16:24? Okay, well, still great, dude. Thanks for working with us at Running World."
 
...
 
"Hmmm, 24:16? Really? You got the numbers backward? That's pretty slow, actually. Do you really run six times a week?"
 
...
 
"24:15? Like, you want us to change it by a second? Why?"
 
...
 
"What do you mean 'which order of those numbers makes the most sense for a man your size?'"
 
...
 
"Wait. Did you actually run two miles or not? You did, right?"
 
...
 
"Okay, I'm going with 16:24. We'll just leave it at that. Yes, that does 'make the most sense.' Definitely. I'm sure people will believe that. Cuz it happened. Obviously. Yes. Please stop calling me."

 

[Corsi]

https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/636192034102054913

 

[Leather]

Great.  Wonderful.
 
It would be amazing if Springsteen came out and asked him to stop talking about him, like he did with Reagan in 1984.  Springsteen does give shout-outs to Belichick when he plays Gillette.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Tweeter addresses PK's stance on guns ... but lets not get our priorities out of whack:
 
https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/637006518622273537

 

[Leather]

Nobody saw this?
 

I’ll start at the end: If I were U.S. District Judge Richard Berman, I’d begin today’s proceedings with a question for both sides about a potential compromise:
Seeing that the pressure in footballs has never been measured at halftime and after games before, and seeing as though no one is exactly certain how much pressure in footballs would be lost over two to four hours on cold days, and seeing as though the Patriots footballs from the AFC Championship Game lost—by the measure of one gauge—a fairly predictable amount of air pressure according to the Ted Wells Report … why can’t both sides agree to table the Brady suspension until the end of the 2015 season? If the pressure in the footballs on a similarly cold days drops at the same level that the pressure in the Patriots’ footballs did, then Brady will not be suspended. If the pressure in the football on similarly cold days drops much less, then Brady—who wants to play several more years—will be suspended for the first four games of 2016.

Then, if I’m Berman, I’d direct this point to the NFL side:
Of course you’re not going to like putting this off. But if Brady is suspended for four games now, and then, after the footballs are measured throughout the 2015 season, what happens if the balls on days with a similar temperature as the AFC title game—in the forties—show a similar drop in pressure as they did in Foxboro on Jan. 18? We have significant circumstantial evidence that sullies Brady’s case, to be sure. But we have no smoking gun, no proof he directed the footballs to be deflated below the league-prescribed level. And I believe it’s in the best interest of both sides that you agree to test footballs in all 267 games this season, then re-convene in my courtroom on Feb. 15, 2016. Agreed?
 

 
What a horrible idea, stemming from a complete lack of understanding of what judges do.
 
A) the issue is more whether the process of the CBA was followed, not the substance behind the original punishment; 
B) if the issue were the sufficiency of evidence of wrongdoing: judges don't say: "Well, counselor, your case is shit.  However, instead of ruling for the other party who demonstrated that your case is shit, I'll allow you another year to gather more evidence to convince me that your case isn't shit.  Sound good to everyone? Great!"

 

[Average Reds]

Nobody saw this?
 
 
What a horrible idea, stemming from a complete lack of understanding of what judges do.
 
A) the issue is more whether the process of the CBA was followed, not the substance behind the original punishment; 
B) if the issue were the sufficiency of evidence of wrongdoing: judges don't say: "Well, counselor, your case is shit.  However, instead of ruling for the other party who demonstrated that your case is shit, I'll allow you another year to gather more evidence to convince me that your case isn't shit.  Sound good to everyone? Great!"

 
It's rather egregious that he can't distinguish between a federal mediator and a federal judge.  But to me the more offensive part is that his "proposal" treats the ideal gas law as a hypothesis, rather than a proven physical fact.
 
The issue here isn't that we're going to see different behavior in footballs that are measured during the 2015 season.  (We already know - and the NFL now knows - exactly how the footballs will behave based on temperature, moisture, etc.)  It's that we don't have a reliable starting measurement for the footballs from the AFC Championship game.  .
 
If Peter King were a member here, his tag line would be some variation of "has trouble with facts."

 

[Marciano490]

Let's let Stabby McGunhands walk free for a year.  If more people he knows end up murdered, then he probably killed this first guy, but if he's out free and nobody else dies suspiciously, then we can conclude he's not a murderer.  Of course, if we send him to jail and other people get killed, that'll really undermine the prosecutions case.

 

[Leather]

Not to mention the absurd faith in the NFL to conduct the record keeping in a way that is both thorough and honest.
 
Can you imagine?   

 

[ifmanis5]

Not to mention the absurd faith in the NFL to conduct the record keeping in a way that is both thorough and honest.
 
Can you imagine?   

Or the NFL's great record with releasing unbiased information.
 
Peter, the problem here is not #DFG, or physics, or Dorito Dink.
The problem is...

 

[MyDaughterLovesTomGordon]

And can you imagine the circus that would cause?
 
"Here we are at Mile High Stadium, folks. The temperature is 37 degrees and the atmospheric pressure is 925 millibars. Now, we have documentation that the footballs started at 12.3 PSI at exactly 11:37 a.m. and we'll be watching closely for the measurement at half time. Our math guru, Timothy Johnson, professor of physics at the University of Denver, says that the balls should enter the referees' room at 11.75 PSI, then move up to 12.3 at exactly 17 minutes in the 68 degree room, and then move back down to 11.75 at 23 minutes after leaving the room. We'll see exactly when the measurements happen."
 
"Wait, hold on JB, we're getting word that the balls measured 11.237 PSI on the digital gauge at halftime, implying that some air was removed from the ball, that the gauge is slightly off, or that a very large man spent too much time with the ball under his mass. We're looking at replay now to try to figure out just how much time a very large man spent on top of the ball. We'll have that stat to you shortly."
 
Just asinine. 

 

[MarcSullivaFan]

This has been the idea of morons for several months now. The NFL is not exempt from the Ideal Gas Law. Jesus Christ.

 

[Harry Hooper]

This has been the idea of morons for several months now. The NFL is not exempt from the Ideal Gas Law. Jesus Christ.

 
In fairness to King, I believe he is invoking the gas law when he writes the line "seeing as though the Patriots footballs from the AFC Championship Game lost—by the measure of one gauge—a fairly predictable amount of air pressure according to the Ted Wells Report" 

 

[Average Reds]

Right, but as I said a few posts up, the is that King is not treating the Ideal Gas Law as fact. He's treating it as a hypothesis that must be tested next year over the course of the season to confirm the effect on balls.

The entire plan on the part of the NFL is arrogant madness. And anyone who proposes that the league back off its suspension until the Ideal Gas Law is confirmed by the NFL is simply branding themselves as a complete fool. (Not that we needed confirmation of that from King.)

 

[MarcSullivaFan]

Dunce cap is being expertly trolled. To wit:

https://twitter.com/22spicer/status/638911771806339072

https://twitter.com/si_peterking/status/638913699143680000

 

[E5 Yaz]

Peter King ‏@SI_PeterKing  Sep 5Queens, NY
FLUSHING, N.Y.-At US Open. Hingis playing doubles. What a groovy scene.

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

What am I looking for in that tweet?

 

[E5 Yaz]

What am I looking for in that tweet?

 
Oh, you must also use "groovy" everyday

 

[Granite Sox]

What am I looking for in that tweet?

Yes, groovy. And do you know that Flushing is very close to MANHATTAN? Where Peter King lives?!

 

[Papelbon's Poutine]

 
Oh, you must also use "groovy" everyday

 
I also use "cat's pajamas". 

 

[RedOctober3829]

Peter's predictions are out.  On the Patriots, he thinks it's a 10-11 win team but wouldn't be shocked at 14-2.  Way to go out on a limb.  His SB prediction is Baltimore vs. Green Bay with GB winning.
 
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/09/06/super-bowl-50-prediction-ravens-packers-nfl

 

[jimbobim]

Peter's predictions are out.  On the Patriots, he thinks it's a 10-11 win team but wouldn't be shocked at 14-2.  Way to go out on a limb.  His SB prediction is Baltimore vs. Green Bay with GB winning.
 
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/09/06/super-bowl-50-prediction-ravens-packers-nfl

Even worse is that his Baltimore pick is entirely predicated on them securing home field advantage throughout playoffs. When he slipped in that butt covering 14-2 line I was like " so the Ravens are going to go 15-1 or we're going to be treated to another Pats Ravens epic at Gillette w/ BB handing Harbaugh his jock?".
 
Which as Pete notes is exactly where BB and Brady teams thrive...
 
But it’s worn on Baltimore. Like last year. Even with a World League secondary, the Ravens held two 14-point leads at New England in the divisional round and couldn’t hang on. Imagine if the game had been in Baltimore, where the Ravens have won a Patriot-like 81 percent of their home games since 2008. 
 
 
Then this quote which just is mind boggling. I mean isn't getting more than one source like one of the first or second rules of journalism ?
 
On if he has been more careful about quoting sources since his Deflategate debacle: “Absolutely. I can’t say that in strong enough terms, that I believe that in the next — like in today’s column I wrote a little bit about what I’m hearing around the league. Honestly, I’m hearing 10 times more than what I wrote. But quite honestly, it was almost tortuous for me over the weekend to not write a bunch of the things that I’ve heard, because if I hear them from one person now, even if it’s one person who I’ve trusted in a huge way. Honestly, I don’t mean to say I’m running scared. I don’t mean that at all. I mean that unless I get two people from now on, I’m just not going to write it. I’m just simply not going to write it. Even though I had gotten to the point with quite a few people around the league that if they say it, to me it was gospel. … And that’s probably good for journalism, quite honestly.
 
http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2015/09/07/peter-king-on-dc-acknowledges-mistakes-in-deflategate-coverage-i-dont-have-any-defense-for-it/

 

[MyDaughterLovesTomGordon]

Re: the on source thing:

Well, if one person tells you something, it's fine to write about it. You just quote that person.

What's truly absurd is the number of anonymous sources that are used in sports journalism. It used to be you kept a source anonymous to protect them from being murdered. Now, people like King are so desperate to be "in the know" that they'll print anything anyone tells them and keep their name out of it.

That's how these guys get used on a regular basis.

PK is basically saying, "Yeah, I've let a bunch of guys use me to forward their agendas for years, but now I'm actually going to do my job. I swear."

He's so embarrassing.

 

[nattysez]

Re: the on source thing:

Well, if one person tells you something, it's fine to write about it. You just quote that person.

What's truly absurd is the number of anonymous sources that are used in sports journalism. It used to be you kept a source anonymous to protect them from being murdered. Now, people like King are so desperate to be "in the know" that they'll print anything anyone tells them and keep their name out of it.
 

 
It's funny, I was just thinking this same thing today when Jeff Howe or someone tweeted that "a source" had told him that Cameron Fleming was signed to the practice squad.  
 
There is no way that that should be acceptable.  Either quote the person or don't report it.  Using unnamed sources should be saved, as you said, for really critical issues.  But I fear this ship sailed long ago.

 

[John Marzano Olympic Hero]

 
It's funny, I was just thinking this same thing today when Jeff Howe or someone tweeted that "a source" had told him that Cameron Fleming was signed to the practice squad.  
 
There is no way that that should be acceptable.  Either quote the person or don't report it.  Using unnamed sources should be saved, as you said, for really critical issues.  But I fear this ship sailed long ago.

 
Guys, sports is super important. If we don't acknowledge this every single day, the whole house of cards falls in on itself. 

 

[joe dokes]

There’s no really good reason to write that this morning. I just like the story.

 
Ladies and gentlemen ..... Peter King.

 

[Skeesix]

 
Ladies and gentlemen ..... Peter King.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmhdiIDikU4

 

[MyDaughterLovesTomGordon]

I'm guessing this thread is still inactive this far into the day because it's almost impossible to even get into his column nowadays. 
 
First, there's the autoplay video of PK at the top, for those of you who just can't get enough MMQB. Ack. Pause that shit. No, I'm not going to watch it. I'm sure it's incredibly insightful. 
 
Second, he tortures the taketh-giveth away construction. I mean, wouldn't most fans think of Eli having taken away in the classic understanding of that construction, in that he sometimes gives good performances, but in this case he took away from the overall good? Or does PK think "the lord gave and the lord hath taken away" means he, like, literally gave you a sandwich and then he took it away? The giveth is supposed to be the good part. The taketh away is the Job losing all his kids part. 
 
Didn't Eli lose all his kids here?
 
Third, there is PK's standard observation (in coalescence with now out-of-a-job Easterbrook) that it's simply AMAZING that undrafted people did good things in the NFL. Hey PK, I've got a bit of math for you: There are 53 players on the sideline every week. A team generally only drafts 7 players a year. The average NFL career, according to the NFLPA, is only 3.3 years. Let's call it 4. That means, each year, you draft 7 players who last about four years each. So, that's 28 players on your roster who got drafted. THUS, the odds would say that just under half of your fucking players on your fucking team are likely to be undrafted. 
 
Can we please dispense with the shock that an undrafted player did something good? Pretty please?
 
And then I basically stopped reading because I didn't want to read anymore about Mariota and more shock that a rookie QB didn't wet himself in his first game, blah, blah. 

 

[weeba]

I tried the MMQB Saison yesterday at Harpoon.  Not a fan. Expected more from a beer expert like PK

 

[edmunddantes]

If you stopped reading, then you missed the weird headset paragraph where it makes it sound like the Pats may have still had something to do with it. Really out of place, and just a weird rant considering all the information that stamped that out pretty quick. 
 
I almost think he wrote that Thursday night to Friday, and he just never went back to edit the thing out or update it to the latest information. Otherwise I can't make heads or tails of it.
 

 
 
I think it boggles the mind to think the Patriots would sabotage the Steelers’ coach-to-coach communications in the first game of the season—a system of communication supervised and organized by the league in all 32 stadiums—minutes after unfurling a fourth Super Bowl championship banner, and knowing that every sporting eye in America was on Foxboro to be sure everything was on the level in the Patriots’ opener. How brazenly stupid for the Patriots to risk the wrath of the NFL, and for Bill Belichick or Robert Kraft or anyone associated with the franchise to risk a career reputation by messing with the communications of the Steelers, which would only mean that both teams’ coach-to-coach headsets would have to be shut off, and really, what kind of advantage would that be then, with two veterans quarterbacks with veteran play-callers on each sideline forced to improvise? If there’s some evidence of funny business, bring it on. If there’s not, let’s move on—and let’s put the onus on the league for the rest of New England’s home games to be absolutely sure that the sound coming into all visiting headsets is pristine, and the only voices heard are the secure voices of coaches and players.   

 

[epraz]

Third, there is PK's standard observation (in coalescence with now out-of-a-job Easterbrook) that it's simply AMAZING that undrafted people did good things in the NFL. Hey PK, I've got a bit of math for you: There are 53 players on the sideline every week. A team generally only drafts 7 players a year. The average NFL career, according to the NFLPA, is only 3.3 years. Let's call it 4. That means, each year, you draft 7 players who last about four years each. So, that's 28 players on your roster who got drafted. THUS, the odds would say that just under half of your fucking players on your fucking team are likely to be undrafted. 
 

 
I'm all for PK-bashing, but that's not how math works.

 

[Freddy Linn]

PK forgot that a returned extra point counts for two, not one. 

 

[edmunddantes]

PK forgot that a returned extra point counts for two, not one. 

I don't think so.
 
It's 1 if it's a PAT. Also a 1 point safety is now more possible.
 
It's 2 if it's a 2-point conversion, with a 2 point safety.
 
At least as far I as I understand it. 
 
Link added

 

[Freddy Linn]

I don't think so.
 
It's 1 if it's a PAT. Also a 1 point safety is now more possible.
 
It's 2 if it's a 2-point conversion, with a 2 point safety.
 
At least as far I as I understand it. 
 
Link added

 
PFT
 

Two-point conversions will continue to be snapped from the two-yard-line. However, defenses can now return fumbled or intercepted two-point tries for two points of their own. Blocked extra points can also be returned for two points.
According to the NFL’s Competition Committee, the extra point change is just for 2015, which could open the rule to be revisited in the future.
 

 
NFL.com
 

The NFL announced the extra point will now be kicked from the 15-yard line with two-point conversions remaining at the 2-yard line. The new rule also gives the defense the ability to score two points on returns.
According to the rule change, if the defense returns a blocked extra point or failed two-point try for a touchdown (i.e. on an interception), they will be awarded two points. Under the previous rule the ball was dead on a failed try.

 

[edmunddantes]

Huh... must have confused the 1 pt safety for the broader 2 pt. 

 

[MyDaughterLovesTomGordon]

 
I'm all for PK-bashing, but that's not how math works.

How does math work?