Who is the next coach?

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I don’t get why they would still have to interview 2 minority candidates when they are actually hiring a minority head coach.
They may not in this case it seems, if they filed documentation that shows some due process already with the NFL.

I was also curious but In general, even with a strong internal candidate, the idea is to give more minority coaches exposure to the process and for more owners to get exposed to them. Might benefit both parties if not now then down the road.
 

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Also good on Mayo if he got that written into his contract. Not sure what the benefit is to the Kraft’s. I’m sure they didn’t expect it to end like this but they seem boxed in.
 

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Yes. “Under Rooney Rule protocol, when a Club has established a firm succession plan that involves an internal coach or executive replacing a departing Head Coach or General Manager, no external search is required.”
The More You Know! I don’t recall this DeCosta succession wrinkle, this report also dropped around SB 52, so I wasn’t paying attention.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/fritz-pollard-alliance-decosta-promotion-does-not-violate-rooney-rule
 

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I'd like the see the "firm, contractual, succession plan".

So he signed something that guarantees he advances to HC?

That would seem to make him more than just a "strong candidate".
He’s essentially saying Mayo is the choice, but his sources - ie, the Kraft camp - don’t want him to go farther than strongly signaling it.
 

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I'd like the see the "firm, contractual, succession plan".

So he signed something that guarantees he advances to HC?

That would seem to make him more than just a "strong candidate".
I wonder what "firm" means here. Has to be automatic or could be a club option? They probably didn't see Vrabel shaking loose as part of their plan.
 

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I wonder what "firm" means here. Has to be automatic or could be a club option? They probably didn't see Vrabel shaking loose as part of their plan.
I think we may be overreacting to "firm." On the whole, it looks like they wanted to make sure a team didn't get around the process requirement by hiring their new HC as a "coordinator" on Monday then promoting them a week later.
 

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Also good on Mayo if he got that written into his contract. Not sure what the benefit is to the Kraft’s. I’m sure they didn’t expect it to end like this but they seem boxed in.
If reporting is to be believed, my memory is Kraft had to work hard to keep Mayo last offseason. We know at least the Panthers wanted to interview him for HC, so there was a rumor at the time that something like this had been agreed upon.

I like the continuity of Mayo, the most successful franchises establish continuity.
Well, the most stable franchise in this regard is probably the Steelers, who've somehow only had 3 coaches since the AFL merger, and neither Cowher nor Tomlin had any connection with the Steelers franchise prior to being hired (right?).

But I also like the continuity and connection of Mayo, and all the reports about him are glowing.
 

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Also good on Mayo if he got that written into his contract. Not sure what the benefit is to the Kraft’s. I’m sure they didn’t expect it to end like this but they seem boxed in.
The benefit is that they keep a guy they obviously think a lot of. Theres risk of course. Maybe he puts together bad defenses and turns out to be a reprobate of some sort. (Didnt happen). Or Krafts figured they had a couple of more years of BB to let Mayo marinate. (Also didnt happen).

Stepping back for a bit, just as a sports fan. Its a pretty wild thing that *someone* is gonna have to replace BB.
I was 8 or so when Bengston replaced Lombardi. I was paying attention, but i was 8. But the Bengaton and Jim Dooley (bears) stories are interesting.
It took another legend, Bill Russell, to replace Red. I wasn't here then to see the reaction.
Neighbor made brownies, so im rambling. But this is a rare sports occurrence. An eclipse of sorts. Im gonna *try* to enjoy it. I just need special internet glasses so the hot takes dont blind me.
 

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In general, it seems odd to me one would ever put in a contract that someone was guaranteed to be the next head coach. If it were me, maybe I might have put in some kind of buyout / bonus or something that would be paid out if NOT given the promotion (as a way to incentivize loyalty without promising the top job). But, maybe they really, really wanted him and were willing to do that. Just seems odd to contractually bind yourself like that in my opinion.
 

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Wasn’t that kind of clause in BB’s contract with the Jets? So when Kraft started sniffing around BB, Parcells resigned which made Bill HC of the NYJ even though he had decided at that point he wanted out.
 

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I’d love Mayo, prefer him to Vrabel. Give him a strong OC, and I’d be pretty damn excited to see what they can do.
I like the continuity of Mayo, the most successful franchises establish continuity.
I would hope that Mayo would continue the best things about team philosophy and culture while replacing and improving the weaknesses.
I'm in this camp. Bring in a GM and a new OC, let them restaff completely and we're on to 2024.

Vrabel as DC would be a pipedream. Wanted to put it out there anyway.
 

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Wasn’t that kind of clause in BB’s contract with the Jets? So when Kraft started sniffing around BB, Parcells resigned which made Bill HC of the NYJ even though he had decided at that point he wanted out.
I thought it was in Parcells contract but I could be wrong.
 

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As it turns out, the Patriots might not need to hold a coaching search after all.


On Thursday, Patriots owner Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick announced that they agreed to an amicable mutual parting of ways. The news set up what many thought would be a lengthy search for a new head coach and general manager.
The NFL has multiple rules in place, such as the Rooney Rule, which teams must follow before hiring new head coaches and general managers. However, this might not apply to the Patriots.



According to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network, the Patriots have a succession plan in place for Jerod Mayo to replace Belichick and can “simply hire him.”



“No need to go through the lengthy hiring process,” Rapoport tweeted. “They established a firm, contractual succession plan in a prior contract and communicated it to the NFL.”



A source confirmed to MassLive that is indeed the case with Mayo. Now, the decision is up to Kraft. If he wants to hire Mayo, he can do so immediately. If the Patriots owner wants to hire an external candidate, he must go through the NFL’s hiring policy.
Had the Patriots not created a succession plan with the NFL, they would have to adhere to NFL guidelines when it comes to hiring a new head coach.



NFL teams must conduct virtual interviews up until Jan. 22, when in-person interviews can start. There are separate rules for when coaches under contract with playoff teams can interview. Under the Rooney Rule, NFL teams must interview at least two external diverse candidates with at least one interview being in person.



According to an NFL spokesperson, the NFL’s Rooney Rules and coaching hiring policy “doesn’t apply in cases where an individual had a pre-existing commitment from an organization to become the next head coach. This would have to be included in his contract that was filed with the league before the beginning of the season.”
https://www.masslive.com/patriots/2024/01/how-patriots-can-hire-jerod-mayo-without-interview-process.html
 

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Would the Pats get a draft pick for hiring Mayo or does being in house negate that? An extra third in this draft would be very nice.
 

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I'd like the see the "firm, contractual, succession plan".

So he signed something that guarantees he advances to HC?

That would seem to make him more than just a "strong candidate".
Agree with your last sentence, but beyond that I just don't think we can know what any of this might mean.

I did a bunch of digging, and other than the 2018 article about the Ravens I haven't been able to find actual language. There are a few Rooney related by-laws, but it seems to me that whatever the text of the actual rule, it's not available to the public. There are NFL documents explaining the "rule," which I don't know is even a rule, but not actual text.

The two things we seem to know, from Rap's reporting, is that the commitment to succession needs to be in a contract and it needs to have been communicated to the NFL. But I doubt that means that you have to guarantee the guy a position in order for it to qualify. My guess is that it's probably enough to be aspirational with some kind of caveat like "assuming suitable progression" or "with demonstrated ability to . . . . "

The news here to me is that the Patriots clearly at some point prior to this year envisioned that Mayo was a potential successor to Bill and put that in writing in some form or fashion, with enough seriousness for reporters to think they now would not have to comply with the Rooney Rule. Which does indeed seem to give Mayo a leg up, but presumably could be far short of an actual contractual commitment.
 

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I loved Mike Vrabel. I can still see him chipping Marshall Faulk every time Faulk tried to get out on a route. I loved Mayo. Best top 10 pick since Seymour. Rock solid line backer. So I starting building resumes for both and I came up short. There is no indication that either possesses the skill set of a successful head, especially considering that neither is likely to be given full control, which Kraft rather indicated in his remarks today. Vrable's tenure in Tenn. was loaded with organizational dysfunction and his inability do anything but but battle those forces does not tick off a box. But he is a "leader of men", a "man's man" sort of the equivalent of Jeters intangibles. Mayo was "groomed", whatever that means. While he is a good company man, he still had to share defensive props with BB, and frankly, it wasn't clear if he was even the defensive equivalent of Steve B. But everybody thinks the world of him; great communicator, gets along well with everybody. But I can't find any real evidence that either possesses the special talents that are required to be a HC. Does have the ability to coalesce all facets of the NEP into a seamless organizational and administrative entity as BB did. Make no mistake, the HC is the core of the organization even if he is under the scutiny of a GM and ownership. Either or both could become successful HCs but currently there is nothing to make one say "I'm sure" other than extraneous vitues. Mayo's best shot is that the optics of him getting passed over after being "groomed" is a look that Robert may not like.
 

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Agree with your last sentence, but beyond that I just don't think we can know what any of this might mean.

I did a bunch of digging, and other than the 2018 article about the Ravens I haven't been able to find actual language. There are a few Rooney related by-laws, but it seems to me that whatever the text of the actual rule, it's not available to the public. There are NFL documents explaining the "rule," which I don't know is even a rule, but not actual text.

The two things we seem to know, from Rap's reporting, is that the commitment to succession needs to be in a contract and it needs to have been communicated to the NFL. But I doubt that means that you have to guarantee the guy a position in order for it to qualify. My guess is that it's probably enough to be aspirational with some kind of caveat like "assuming suitable progression" or "with demonstrated ability to . . . . "

The news here to me is that the Patriots clearly at some point prior to this year envisioned that Mayo was a potential successor to Bill and put that in writing in some form or fashion, with enough seriousness for reporters to think they now would not have to comply with the Rooney Rule. Which does indeed seem to give Mayo a leg up, but presumably could be far short of an actual contractual commitment.
Seems like it’s going to be Mayo, unless some skeletons come up during the Standard background checks
One day after announcing their split from Bill Belichick, the New England Patriots have a clear front-runner for the coaching job left vacant by a legend.

All signs are pointing to Jerod Mayo becoming the franchise’s 15th head coach, according to league sources briefed on the matter who were not authorized to discuss it publicly.

Mayo was lured into coaching by Belichick in 2019 and became one of Belichick’s most trusted assistants, helping develop the team’s defensive game plans in recent seasons.

Now, barring a change of heart from owners Robert and Jonathan Kraft, Mayo will become Belichick’s successor. An announcement could come as soon as the middle of next week.

The move could happen so quickly because of language in Mayo’s contract that was previously unknown and because of little-known aspects of the league’s Rooney Rule, which typically requires teams to conduct in-person interviews with at least two external minority candidates. The language in Mayo’s contract was first reported by NFL Network.

In a part of the Rooney Rule that wasn’t well known before this week, teams can bypass the typical interview process if they establish in writing a succession plan and communicate that with the league before the start of the season. According to a league source, the Patriots did that with Mayo.

Things haven’t been finalized with Mayo. The Krafts spent most of Wednesday with Belichick discussing next steps and determining his exit. They spent Thursday ceremoniously celebrating the split and the success Belichick brought to New England. On Friday, they can begin to turn the page and look ahead to the looming coaching search.
https://theathletic.com/5197125/2024/01/11/jerod-mayo-patriots-head-coach-candidate/
 
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I would hope that Mayo would continue the best things about team philosophy and culture while replacing and improving the weaknesses.
what weaknesses is Mayo going to fix? Seems like he’s going to be tethered to other Bill underlings.

perhaps he builds a bigger staff than BB but other than that, I don’t see Mayo offering much in the way of remedy for the problems on the team unless he’s also a shrewd offensive mind or has a knack for finding offensive staff
 

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what weaknesses is Mayo going to fix? Seems like he’s going to be tethered to other Bill underlings.

perhaps he builds a bigger staff than BB but other than that, I don’t see Mayo offering much in the way of remedy for the problems on the team unless he’s also a shrewd offensive mind or has a knack for finding offensive staff
How the hell do you, or any of us, know? We won't learn about him as a head coach until, y'know, he's a head coach
 

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what weaknesses is Mayo going to fix? Seems like he’s going to be tethered to other Bill underlings.

perhaps he builds a bigger staff than BB but other than that, I don’t see Mayo offering much in the way of remedy for the problems on the team unless he’s also a shrewd offensive mind or has a knack for finding offensive staff
I mean, the biggest one would be that the head coach would no longer also be the GM, which was arguably Bill's biggest flaw.
 

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I'm surprised so many are surprised that Mayo is the choice. Kraft all but named him BB's successor last off-season. Kraft constantly preaches the importance of loyalty. Do you really think he's going to publicly stab a former player in the back?

what weaknesses is Mayo going to fix? Seems like he’s going to be tethered to other Bill underlings.

perhaps he builds a bigger staff than BB but other than that, I don’t see Mayo offering much in the way of remedy for the problems on the team unless he’s also a shrewd offensive mind or has a knack for finding offensive staff
He'll probably hire a better OC. He'll hire better special teams coaches. He might get along with the players better and create a more positive locker room experience. He might be better at holding players accountable so we don't see a lot of the nonsense we have the past few seasons. He'll be more open to new ideas and concepts, particularly offensively. He won't insist on shopping for the groceries. He doesn't have any kids who need jobs as coaches. I can see lots of potential benefits.
 

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I'm surprised so many are surprised that Mayo is the choice. Kraft all but named him BB's successor last off-season. Kraft constantly preaches the importance of loyalty. Do you really think he's going to publicly stab a former player in the back?



He'll probably hire a better OC. He'll hire better special teams coaches. He might get along with the players better and create a more positive locker room experience. He might be better at holding players accountable so we don't see a lot of the nonsense we have the past few seasons. He'll be more open to new ideas and concepts, particularly offensively. He won't insist on shopping for the groceries. He doesn't have any kids who need jobs as coaches. I can see lots of potential benefits.
I think Kraft never in a million years envisioned them being a 4-13 team with the worst offense in the league and a thoroughly unentertaining product, no. They bottomed out, which could change the equation of how much continuity you want to keep. It's only natural.
 

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Oddly, the coaches who only played under him - Vrabel and KOC - seem to have more success than the coaches who learned under him have had head coaching - Josh, Patricia, Crennel, Weis, BOB.
Daboll and Saban had success. As did Jim Schwartz. The tree narrative is overly focused on the failures and skewed by a sample size problem. Predictive value is likely nil.
 

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So a comment in the BB thread about our analytics made me wonder.....

Is Kraft going to expand the staff?

For many years the Patriots have had one of the smallest staffs in the league, coaching, FO, etc. Now it was one of the places where it was unclear if Kraft was being cheap, or if that was just Bill liking to keep the circle tight. Will be interesting to see if it expands and Kraft opens up the checkbook now that Bill isn't running the show.
 

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I like Mayo, but am not wild about handing the reins to someone with no head coaching experience at any level. I’m also not sure he’s the right fit for a team that needs to completely retool on offense, including developing a first-round QB.
 

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I think Kraft envisioned handing over more of a finished product to Mayo, not a 4-13 wreck. That said, I'm not sure this is worse. Expectations are going to be pretty low, especially if they are starting a first year QB. He won't have to make too much of a leap to improve on this season, which will at least give the appearance that things are going in the right direction. I also think the attention paid to this team is going to wane a little. Casual fans brought in by the dynasty will tune out. They won't be in the news cycle as much. Gives Mayo a little room to breath.
 
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All of them? Some of them? Which weaknesses do you think *need* to be addressed? And why dont you think Mayo cant adress them?
Qb play, offensive talent, offensive playcalling, special teams, kicking accuracy, overall talent level of the roster

which of those things has Mayo ever shown he could fix (none) and why would anyone blindly think a linebackers coach who has never overseen more than maybe 10 players and an assistant or two at a time can build a competent offense?

The thing Mayo is reputedly good at, being liked by players (which Crennel was) and assisting in gameplans (like Mangini and Patricia were reportedly very valuable to Bill for) aren’t weaknesses and the things that have led to the degradation of the team aren’t things Mayo has any experience with
 

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So a comment in the BB thread about our analytics made me wonder.....

Is Kraft going to expand the staff?

For many years the Patriots have had one of the smallest staffs in the league, coaching, FO, etc. Now it was one of the places where it was unclear if Kraft was being cheap, or if that was just Bill liking to keep the circle tight. Will be interesting to see if it expands and Kraft opens up the checkbook now that Bill isn't running the show.
If most of Bill’s salary gets offset, Kraft can hire plenty of analytics folks, quality control staffers, low level assistant coaches, etc. and still save money.
 

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I found it interesting that in the 2 PM press conference yesterday, Kraft used the word “days” in terms of when he thought there would be another press conference (“I know there'll be a lot of questions about the future, and we'll have a chance to cover that in the next few days”).

Under a search that complies with the Rooney Rule, that timeline doesn’t seem possible, so maybe he has already signaled which way this will go.

(Transcript of his remarks here: https://www.patriots.com/news/transcript-robert-kraft-press-conference-1-11 )
 
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