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Bringing the same team back. Neglecting the bullpen. Not moving Porcello in the offseason. I mean there's other small details as well but anyone who has been watching this team the last few years knew Barnes couldn't be the long term answer in the 9th. Looked excellent out of the gate then reverted back to Matt Barnes.
 

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JBJ best days behind him?
2017 Age 27 OPS+ 89
2018 Age 28 OPS+ 91
2019 Age 29 OPS+ 89
All over 1418 PA.

He is what his numbers say he is.
I'd have to agree, although it's nice to dream about what he would do if he didn't play like one of the worst positional players ever for 1-2 months every year. I'm just worried he may have another cold streak in him this year because he's been pretty bad of late Hopefully not, and if he does, hopefully it's a .600-650 OPS type cold streak and not a .400 type one.

First 38 games: 145 PA, .144/.245/.176, .217 BAbip, 16bb/43k
Next 38 games: 157 PA, .328/.423/.634, .376 BAbip, 16bb/32k
Last 10 games: 44 PA, .158/.273/.237, .267 BAbip, 6bb/15k

When he starts striking out, things fall apart. He also has a huge home/road split this year. I normally wouldn't put much merit into this but the lines are drastically different.
Home: 40 games, 162 PA, .274/.389/.474, .337 BAbip, 23bb/36k. 14.2% BB%, 22.2% K%
Road: 44 games, 184 PA, .191/.276/.321, .260 BABip, 15bb/54k. 8.2% BB%, 29.3% K%.

This got me curious so I looked up his career line. His BB%/K% are far more similar while the BAbip is far lower. Looks like it could just be bad luck, but it's a pretty big sample.
Home: 1368 PA, .261/.344/.435, .330 BAbip, 131bb/330k. 9.6% BB%, 24.1% K%
Road: 1475 PA, .215/.296/.377, .266 BAbip, 132bb/385k. 8.9% BB%, 26.1% K%.
 

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I'd have to agree, although it's nice to dream about what he would do if he didn't play like one of the worst positional players ever for 1-2 months every year. I'm just worried he may have another cold streak in him this year because he's been pretty bad of late Hopefully not, and if he does, hopefully it's a .600-650 OPS type cold streak and not a .400 type one.

First 38 games: 145 PA, .144/.245/.176, .217 BAbip, 16bb/43k
Next 38 games: 157 PA, .328/.423/.634, .376 BAbip, 16bb/32k
Last 10 games: 44 PA, .158/.273/.237, .267 BAbip, 6bb/15k

When he starts striking out, things fall apart. He also has a huge home/road split this year. I normally wouldn't put much merit into this but the lines are drastically different.
Home: 40 games, 162 PA, .274/.389/.474, .337 BAbip, 23bb/36k. 14.2% BB%, 22.2% K%
Road: 44 games, 184 PA, .191/.276/.321, .260 BABip, 15bb/54k. 8.2% BB%, 29.3% K%.

This got me curious so I looked up his career line. His BB%/K% are far more similar while the BAbip is far lower. Looks like it could just be bad luck, but it's a pretty big sample.
Home: 1368 PA, .261/.344/.435, .330 BAbip, 131bb/330k. 9.6% BB%, 24.1% K%
Road: 1475 PA, .215/.296/.377, .266 BAbip, 132bb/385k. 8.9% BB%, 26.1% K%.
Something tells me that Hawk68 wouldn’t have made that comment I’d say Benintendi put up identical numbers.
 

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Bringing the same team back. Neglecting the bullpen. Not moving Porcello in the offseason. I mean there's other small details as well but anyone who has been watching this team the last few years knew Barnes couldn't be the long term answer in the 9th. Looked excellent out of the gate then reverted back to Matt Barnes.
Except Barnes hasn't been used as the answer to the 9th. In 26/42 games this year, he came in before the 9th inning. I'd guess his numbers would look a lot better if he was used strictly in a closer role because then he wouldn't always be matching up against the other teams best hitters.

Matt Barnes vs lineup spot
1. 11 PA, .400/.455/.600
2. 16 PA, .357/.438/.571
3. 26 PA, .333/.462/.714
4. 26 PA, .250/.308/458
5. 24 PA, .182/.208/.182
6. 24 PA, .048/.167/.048
7. 16 PA, .125/.125/.125
8. 13 PA, .222/.462/.222
9. 11 PA, .000/.273/.000

He's clearly being used by who is coming up and not by what inning it is.
 

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Something tells me that Hawk68 wouldn’t have made that comment I’d say Benintendi put up identical numbers.
Maybe but Benny is 25 and JBJ is 29. Benny is most likely entering his prime while JBJ is leaving his.
 

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The sad part about tonight is not that they lost but how commonplace the game was. Just another shit loss to a shit team at home.

Giveaway at bats and squander on offense, careless on the mound and in the field and give away bases on defense, starter can't go deep, and the bullpen can be assured of having at least one guy who will suck and give it up.

Every team loses lots of games. That's baseball. The fucking problem is that this is just who this team is.

Nothing tonight was very unusual.
This from last night's game thread sums it up for me. The 2019 Sox are rapidly becoming unwatchable. I wasn't expecting a blitz to the WS like last year, just a good baseball team with a lot of good to very good talent. Maybe they over-performed in 2018 more than I realized & 2019 is who they really are. Summer is too short to spend it watching bad baseball.
 

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I was referring more towards that poster’s continued criticism of players of a certain background.
You accusing Hawk68 of being a racist? I actually think in this case he might be correct regarding JBJ. Not every single post has to be seen through the lens of racism. JBJ as we know spends a few months each year hitting like a pitcher
 

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This is a team that should be sellers at the deadline. They have a $240 million payroll and spent $5 mil on the bullpen. Move the short term pieces you can and set up for 2020 success.
 

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This is a team that should be sellers at the deadline. They have a $240 million payroll and spent $5 mil on the bullpen. Move the short term pieces you can and set up for 2020 success.
Their new closer makes $17 million/year.

This team should be neither buyers nor sellers. The team as constructed is very capable of making the playoffs as a WC, and then anything can happen. This is a good team, and has been since its horrific start. Play it out with this group and see what happens.
 

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You accusing Hawk68 of being a racist? I actually think in this case he might be correct regarding JBJ. Not every single post has to be seen through the lens of racism. JBJ as we know spends a few months each year hitting like a pitcher
There’s plenty to debate about JBJ and the discussion’s outside the scope of the thread, but considering his most recent argument here, his follow-up that Betts should be traded because he skipped the White House visit, and his campaign against JBJ’s nonexistent “character issues” two winters ago — when Jackie still had the track record of a well above average player — it strains the intelligence of anyone on this board to accept Hawk’s reasoning as purely good faith baseball arguments.
 
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Their new closer makes $17 million/year.

This team should be neither buyers nor sellers. The team as constructed is very capable of making the playoffs as a WC, and then anything can happen. This is a good team, and has been since its horrific start. Play it out with this group and see what happens.
This is where I'm at. With the age of the talent they have locked in for a while, I don't think it makes sense to get rid of the guys that would bring back a major haul (since that haul would likely be 2-3 years before bearing fruit). We're not getting much if anything for Porcello, JBJ or even EdRod and 10D. Betts and JDM are the only pieces that would bring some serious talent back...
I think the best course of action is to just stay the course. This team is constructed to play excellent baseball and CAN play excellent baseball. They can make the playoffs (and I still think they likely will....) and it's a new season at that point.
The keys are: Sale needs to pitch like what his contract says he is. Price needs to pitch better. Need Eovaldi's presence in the BP to help solidify roles.
Even with JDM and Betts underperforming (in respect to last season), the offense is fine. Devers and X and Vazquez have picked up the slack.
 

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This is where I'm at. With the age of the talent they have locked in for a while, I don't think it makes sense to get rid of the guys that would bring back a major haul (since that haul would likely be 2-3 years before bearing fruit). We're not getting much if anything for Porcello, JBJ or even EdRod and 10D. Betts and JDM are the only pieces that would bring some serious talent back...
I think the best course of action is to just stay the course. This team is constructed to play excellent baseball and CAN play excellent baseball. They can make the playoffs (and I still think they likely will....) and it's a new season at that point.
The keys are: Sale needs to pitch like what his contract says he is. Price needs to pitch better. Need Eovaldi's presence in the BP to help solidify roles.
Even with JDM and Betts underperforming (in respect to last season), the offense is fine. Devers and X and Vazquez have picked up the slack.
Price needs to pitch better? His 66 FIP- right now is the best of his career.
 

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Price needs to pitch better? His 66 FIP- right now is the best of his career.
He's really fine.... but he's averaging barely over 5 IP per start. That's 4 innings of bullpen work. I'm being picky... but getting to the playoffs will need him to start averaging at least 6 from here on out, no?
 

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Except Barnes hasn't been used as the answer to the 9th. In 26/42 games this year, he came in before the 9th inning. I'd guess his numbers would look a lot better if he was used strictly in a closer role because then he wouldn't always be matching up against the other teams best hitters.

Matt Barnes vs lineup spot
1. 11 PA, .400/.455/.600
2. 16 PA, .357/.438/.571
3. 26 PA, .333/.462/.714
4. 26 PA, .250/.308/458
5. 24 PA, .182/.208/.182
6. 24 PA, .048/.167/.048
7. 16 PA, .125/.125/.125
8. 13 PA, .222/.462/.222
9. 11 PA, .000/.273/.000

He's clearly being used by who is coming up and not by what inning it is.
Now compare those numbers to Other relief aces to see if they all turn the top of the lineup into all-stars. You could also compare it to Barnes’ previous 2 seasons to see if he’s pitching differently as “the guy” than when he had Kimbrel as a security blanket shine him.
 

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Their new closer makes $17 million/year.

This team should be neither buyers nor sellers. The team as constructed is very capable of making the playoffs as a WC, and then anything can happen. This is a good team, and has been since its horrific start. Play it out with this group and see what happens.
The new closer was signed as a starter because they didn't want to pay a closer $17 million a year for 4 years.
 

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Here's one example: Eovaldi was mowing them down during his first sox outing- innings seemed to fly by; meanwhile this year we were treated to watching Cashmer struggling - beginning with an ominous 10-pitch losing battle against his first batter. Hopefully, he can redeem himself against his old team this Sunday (99 degree forecast).
 

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This from last night's game thread sums it up for me. The 2019 Sox are rapidly becoming unwatchable. I wasn't expecting a blitz to the WS like last year, just a good baseball team with a lot of good to very good talent. Maybe they over-performed in 2018 more than I realized & 2019 is who they really are. Summer is too short to spend it watching bad baseball.
I'd say there was a lot of that in last night's game too, even though it was a win. An easy 1-6-3 double play that Bogie threw away, leaving a guy on third, a Devers error on a grounder (he's improved a lot, regardless). Vasquez getting thrown out at second leading off an inning. Two or three guys not driven in from third with less than two outs. A guy hitting a batter on an 0-2 count. Finally, Workman walking the first two guys in the 9th. And somehow, they got away with it.
 

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He’s also an important member of a team that should get blown up at the trade deadline if they don’t start playing better right away because they are beyond painful to watch at this point.
Yikes. They are 3 games out of the playoffs. What does blowing them up even look like? Trading rentals Porcello, Moreland and Holt? Cashing out more foundational players like Price, Sale or Martinez? Seems doubtful.
 

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Yikes. They are 3 games out of the playoffs. What does blowing them up even look like? Trading rentals Porcello, Moreland and Holt? Cashing out more foundational players like Price, Sale or Martinez? Seems doubtful.
Unless Moreland gets better really fast, I don't see him being even a low-level trade chip. They maybe should have traded him off when he was tearing the cover off the ball in the early part of the season after their rough start, but I understand why they wouldn't even think about that at the time: they still didn't know what was going to happen with Pearce, Travis was a massive downgrade, and Chavis was a completely unknown commodity.

Porcello should be dealt but won't at this point because the team is still gunning for a playoff spot and he's performed well for them in the postseason in the past. His value took a nosedive this season, however, as opposed to what it would have been if they'd traded him in the offseason. I don't think Holt nets much of a return and isn't someone that should be just given away since he plays a number of positions pretty well and provides a spark.

Martinez, JBJ, Rodriguez, and Barnes should be at the top of the list for trade chips if they're going to blow it up. I still hold onto Betts because he appears to be a franchise player and a core of him, Bogaerts, Devers, and maybe Chavis is a solid group to build around. Maybe deal Benintendi too. Sale isn't going anywhere, nor is Price. I wouldn't deal either catcher unless you get bowled over with an offer, only because there isn't much in the minors to replace either of them, or unless they're getting an equivalent-level backstop back in another return.

Nothing else they have is really worth anything or shouldn't be in the conversation for other reasons (e.g., I don't deal Taylor in case he is the real deal because he could wind up being Buttrey 2.0 otherwise and I'm all set with another Kinsler-type player).
 

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They started 6-13 and since then have played at a 98 win pace. I don’t understand why there is even a discussion about trading off lots of guys. Even if the poor start doomed this season (I still think they’ll make the playoffs), essentially the entire core is under contract for next season. Why would you trade off key parts of a team that has played fantastic baseball since the start of last season with the exception of a 19 game stretch. Trading guys won’t help us make the playoffs this season, and I doubt it will give us a better shot next year
 

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They started 6-13 and since then have played at a 98 win pace. I don’t understand why there is even a discussion about trading off lots of guys. Even if the poor start doomed this season (I still think they’ll make the playoffs), essentially the entire core is under contract for next season. Why would you trade off key parts of a team that has played fantastic baseball since the start of last season with the exception of a 19 game stretch. Trading guys won’t help us make the playoffs this season, and I doubt it will give us a better shot next year
Yeah, I agree with this. My post was pointing out how Pete Abe was suggesting a sell-off, but it not only seems premature, but kind of a nothingburger, given the limited number of guys worth selling off without hurting the team long-term.
 

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Where did Pete Abe say that? that seems unprofessional to say they're "painful to watch". They've also taken care of business against awful teams if nothing else, leaving them in the hunt.
 

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Yeah, I agree with this. My post was pointing out how Pete Abe was suggesting a sell-off, but it not only seems premature, but kind of a nothingburger, given the limited number of guys worth selling off without hurting the team long-term.
Yea I didn’t mean to sound like I was talking about you. It was more a response to some other posts in this thread and especially the Pete Abe quote. And I agree with DeadlySplitter, that strikes me as a pretty unprofessional quote
 

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Yea I didn’t mean to sound like I was talking about you. It was more a response to some other posts in this thread and especially the Pete Abe quote. And I agree with DeadlySplitter, that strikes me as a pretty unprofessional quote
No worries, I hadn't taken it that way and was just clarifying. I like how Pete drifts over into opinion, it suggests stuff he maybe wouldn't want to come out and say outright, but in this case I am not following him. Unless he's seeing guys screwing around in the clubhouse and not caring, it seemed like a pretty overblown reaction.
 

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No worries, I hadn't taken it that way and was just clarifying. I like how Pete drifts over into opinion, it suggests stuff he maybe wouldn't want to come out and say outright, but in this case I am not following him. Unless he's seeing guys screwing around in the clubhouse and not caring, it seemed like a pretty overblown reaction.
It seems to me that 2018 shifted people’s ideas about what’s “painful to watch” and what’s just normal baseball. Watching the Sox RISP and sac fly ineptitude has without a doubt been painful, but there are enough bright spots (Devers, Bogaerta, Mookie since end of June) that on balance I still really enjoy watching. But games that we lose like 4-2 for example, I think seem way more frustrating because last year it seemed as though we’d come back every time a game was even close
 

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One thing that's been very wrong is the number of pitches thrown by Red Sox starters in the first inning.

Here's the last 30 games, working from yesterday back to July 11 (with anything >15 in bold):

17
20
20

13
27
24
23
22
16

11
23
18

15
20
33
(+another 14)
34
12
11
16
13
36
17
16

10
22
16
19
38
22

13

That's an average of 20 pitches per starter, including some real stinkers.

22 of 30 starts without a relatively quick 1st inning.

I'd go all the way back, but this data confirms what I remember seeing this season.
 

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One thing that's been very wrong is the number of pitches thrown by Red Sox starters in the first inning.

Here's the last 30 games, working from yesterday back to July 11 (with anything >15 in bold):

17
20
20

13
27
24
23
22
16

11
23
18

15
20
33
(+another 14)
34
12
11
16
13
36
17
16

10
22
16
19
38
22

13

That's an average of 20 pitches per starter, including some real stinkers.

22 of 30 starts without a relatively quick 1st inning.

I'd go all the way back, but this data confirms what I remember seeing this season.
Long stressful first innings tend to lead to shorter than desired outings leading to more outs needed from the bullpen. As much as people want to point to the bullpen as this team's achilles heel, it's really been the inefficiency of the rotation that has hurt them the most. Which sucks when it is the most expensive starting rotation in the AL, or was at the start of the year when Eovaldi was there.
 

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Regarding "Painful to Watch", I think Painful might be a bit strong but personally I have been more frustrated by this team than I can remember. I don't think it has been limited to the first 19 games either. Against the 6 teams ahead of them in the playoff race (NYY, TB, Minn, Clev, Hou, Oak) they have a combined record of 14-21...... They have a losing record of 24-25 at home..... They give back leads and squander scoring opportunities..........Don't get me wrong, I still tune in every night and root for them to win, but have definitely been a frustrated fan.
 

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I could never call watching this version of Devers, Bogaerts, and Mookie playing baseball painful. Peter Abe needs to find something else to do with his life other than watching baseball if he can't find joy in those guys. Especially the breakout of Rafi The Baby-Faced Assassin.
 

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I will never understand the whole Painful to Watch or Unwatchable thing. It's baseball, a beautiful, wonderful game. Shit happens, some good, some bad. A great team loses 60+ games. A great hitter fails way more than he succeeds. And then it's gone for 5-6 months. Even the best teams ever, including the 2018 Sox, were incredibly imperfect. Just enjoy the damn ride, root for success, and then be happy that there is another game tomorrow.

Oh, and anyone suggesting that ERod should be on the block, really doesn't get it.
 

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I could never call watching this version of Devers, Bogaerts, and Mookie playing baseball painful. Peter Abe needs to find something else to do with his life other than watching baseball if he can't find joy in those guys. Especially the breakout of Rafi The Baby-Faced Assassin.
I also don't think people are enjoying/appreciating enough what Vaz has done at the plate this season.
 

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It may be shocking to some people, but this is the highest scoring team (Runs per game) in Major League Baseball.
This with the two biggest cogs from the 2018 offense having "down" years (relative to last year). JBJ is the only regular with an OPS+ under 100.

If the rotation starts clicking more consistently, this could be a hell of a second half. Like second half of 2004 kind of awesome.
 

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The Red Sox have a .525 winning percentage in close games this year, good for 13th in baseball. Last year, it was .681, best in the league. https://www.teamrankings.com/mlb/stat/win-pct-close-games

This year, they're losing games that feel winnable way more than last year, but that says more about how ridiculous the Sox were last year than how poorly they're doing this year.
Or that record in one run games is more random chance than a particular skill set.


Maybe they were lucky in those games last year (probably true). Maybe they're underperforming their pythag so far in one run games, but that is not a stat that means anything going forward. If you suck in one run games for a half season, it has no predictive value for how you will perform in them during the second half.
 

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11 games behind the Yankees

5 games back of the Indians in the loss column. 3 back of Oakland. Dogfight with TB and Texas.

This isn’t happening folks.
 

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David Price has one start this season of 7 innings or more. Even when he's pitched well, he hasn't gone long enough to keep the bullpen fresh. But it's not only him. In the last month, the starter has gone 7 innings just two times, both Eduardo Rodriguez. They can't get back into the playoff picture until the starters go deeper into games, no matter what the offense does.
 

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Because it's been months since they won a World Series
Exactly. Because its been months since this same group of guys won a world series.
It doesnt mean anyone hates the team. Doesnt mean anyone isnt a fan. But its painful to see guys who have demonstrated they are capable of more playing below their potential.
 

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David Price has one start this season of 7 innings or more. Even when he's pitched well, he hasn't gone long enough to keep the bullpen fresh. But it's not only him. In the last month, the starter has gone 7 innings just two times, both Eduardo Rodriguez. They can't get back into the playoff picture until the starters go deeper into games, no matter what the offense does.
Isn’t that the trend in the game generally though? By Baseball Reference, they’re league average in quality-start percentage at 37%, and a tick above average in innings pitched per start ranked 6th in AL at 5.2 vs 5.1.

This is just another reason. Why the plan to field a AAAA bullpen was poor strategy. The rest of the league recognized that in the digital age, no matter how good your starters are, you need to close down the last 3 innings with relievers. The Red Sox chose to spend $17 million on an oft-injured third starter even though they were already spending $20 million on their 4th starter, leaving them with no money to invest in a bullpen, given that they’re treating the luxury tax threshold as a hard cap.
 

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Isn’t that the trend in the game generally though? By Baseball Reference, they’re league average in quality-start percentage at 37%, and a tick above average in innings pitched per start ranked 6th in AL at 5.2 vs 5.1.

This is just another reason. Why the plan to field a AAAA bullpen was poor strategy. The rest of the league recognized that in the digital age, no matter how good your starters are, you need to close down the last 3 innings with relievers. The Red Sox chose to spend $17 million on an oft-injured third starter even though they were already spending $20 million on their 4th starter, leaving them with no money to invest in a bullpen, given that they’re treating the luxury tax threshold as a hard cap.
Sure, but like you said, they make the decision not to follow the trend of the bad teams in the league and invested in the starters. They built the team like the Astros, but aren't getting nearly the innings out of the starters that they are. Houston's top three are Verlander with 12 out of 21 starts with 7+ innings pitched, 7 out of 21 for Cole, and 1 out of 20 for Miley. The Red Sox starters are much more Miley than Verlander.
 

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Isn’t that the trend in the game generally though? By Baseball Reference, they’re league average in quality-start percentage at 37%, and a tick above average in innings pitched per start ranked 6th in AL at 5.2 vs 5.1.

This is just another reason. Why the plan to field a AAAA bullpen was poor strategy. The rest of the league recognized that in the digital age, no matter how good your starters are, you need to close down the last 3 innings with relievers. The Red Sox chose to spend $17 million on an oft-injured third starter even though they were already spending $20 million on their 4th starter, leaving them with no money to invest in a bullpen, given that they’re treating the luxury tax threshold as a hard cap.
I've said it time and again but the mistake was not dealing Porcello. If they weren't planning to extend him, they should have dealt him before the season starter to create greater financial flexibility and maximize the return while he was still a fairly valuable starter. His worth has cratered this season after he's done what his career says he always does after a good season: shit the bed the next one. They should still trade him but now they can't because their 3rd starter is now their prospective closer and there's no one to step in if he leaves except another filler guy or some guy that's even worse that would be acquired in a deal. It's looking more and more likely they're going to lose him at the end of the season for nothing instead of getting something while he still had some real value to a team that needed an arm. While there was some reason to believe Eovaldi would go down with an injury again this season based on career track record, some of the money saved by dealing away Porcello could have been committed to a true 5th starter so the rotation would have been Sale-Price-Eovaldi-Rodriguez-5th starter and they likely still would have had the capital to go out and sign Keuchel (based on what he signed for with Atlanta) after the draft pick penalty expired if Eovaldi had still gone down with injury. And with that 5th starter, even with Eovaldi's injury, they would have still been in a position to lean on guys like Hector and the fringe bullpen guys, but only for a few weeks until Keuchel or some other guy off the street was ready to log some innings. And with those same savings, they might have been able to beat New York's offer to Ottavino (if that would have made a difference) or gone out and acquired a better reliever than Brewer.

Maybe they thought Porcello was primed for another good season but I still believe many of the team's luxury tax concern woes can be laid at the feet of not clearing his salary before spring training ended. It wouldn't have been the first time they lost a key piece of a championship team and still would have been in contention the following season (e.g., losing Pedro after 2004 and losing Schilling (kind of) after 2007 (since he was unable to pitch in 2008). Either way, that extra $20 million or so to play with would have been really nice.
 

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I thought it was weird last winter when trading Porcello wasn’t more widely supported on this board, but it’s entirely possible that DD explores it and found no takers. Not many teams were adding pitching (or trying to win), and there were a lot of guys available cheaper than $20M.

But I agree with you that of course it was the right move, though I don’t think turning around and giving that money right back to Keuchel would’ve helped much.
 
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