What was Bloom's best acquisition?

What was Bloom's best acquisition?

  • Wilyer Abreu (and Valdez) for Vasquez

  • Schwarber for Aldo Ramirez

  • Whitlock in Rule 5

  • Other


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rodderick

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You think Story can't play SS? He's been their best defensive SS this year and it's not particularly close.

Of the players who have at least 10 innings at SS this year, by Defensive Runs Saved:
Story +4 (215 innings)
Chang +2 (256 innings)
Reyes +1 (193 innings)
Hamilton 0 (89 innings)
Rafaela 0 (37 innings)
Arroyo -1 (23 innings)
Kike -6 (484 innings)

By UZR:
Story +2.1
Chang +1.8
Hamilton +0.6
Arroyo 0.0
Reyes -0.1
Rafaela -0.6
Kike -5.0

By Total Zone:
Story +5
Chang +1
Reyes 0
Hamilton 0
Arroyo 0
Rafaela -1
Kike -3

To put it in further context, Story is currently 13th in Total Zone and DRS, and 12th in UZR among SS in the entire league despite the reduced playing time this season.

Bottom line is he can still play short, and do it well.
I do think Story can play short, I also don't see how Story, Mayer and Yorke are all a part of this team in the somewhat near future. And Yorke doesn't really have the type of bat that would make him valuable in many other spots, he's the first guy I'd be trying to include in a deal this off-season.
 

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I do think Story can play short, I also don't see how Story, Mayer and Yorke are all a part of this team in the somewhat near future. And Yorke doesn't really have the type of bat that would make him valuable in many other spots, he's the first guy I'd be trying to include in a deal this off-season.
I agree with the last part, but why couldn’t he play 2B?
 

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I do think Story can play short, I also don't see how Story, Mayer and Yorke are all a part of this team in the somewhat near future. And Yorke doesn't really have the type of bat that would make him valuable in many other spots, he's the first guy I'd be trying to include in a deal this off-season.
I think they've got at least a year to figure it out, maybe longer. All three could be on the same roster if one of them is the back-up/utility player. Most likely that would be Yorke, which means that you are correct, he's more likely to be a trade chip than a part of the team's future.
 

rodderick

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I agree with the last part, but why couldn’t he play 2B?
Because Mayer is also at AA and a better prospect, I think ideally Story goes back to 2b and he's handling short. Sure, Yorke could be a utility infielder, and a valuable piece to the major league team, I just think odds are someone will value him as more than that in a trade.
 

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I'd be more concerned this off season with clearing up guys that need to be on the 40 than making a decision now on Yorke - unless someone else really values him as part of a good deal.
 

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I happen to think Abreu and Valdez for two months of Vazquez will turn out to be one of his better deals. McGuire for the corpse of Diekman is probably a close second though. Despite his faults, Nick Pivetta has been very useful the past few years and was integral to the 2021 team. Overall, I think Bloom did more good than bad and in a few years( perhaps as soon as next year) his reign will be seen in a more positive light.
I don't dislike Bloom but do you realize how crazy it is for a big market GM's best moves over 4 years to potentially be those?

I think Bloom is smart, but sometimes overthinking things and worrying about downside outcomes leads to paralysis. There was a lot of being "stuck in the middle" at tread deadlines and free agency. Avoiding bad decisions is great, but sometimes you do have to put your chips on the table. The biggest decision he made was early in his tenure, and that was trading Mookie (in some ways that was also the conservative play, rather than commit huge $ to him and potentially get burned).

I'm sure a lot of his (in)decisions made sense individually, but when taken as a whole it just added up to a whole lot of nothing. And that's going to get you fired in a place like Boston, NY, LA, etc.
 

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@Seels did not think Bloom made a single decent acquisition. According to him, every deal Chaim did was atrocious and a joke. In his opinion, Chaim Bloom was the worst Baseball Ops/GM in Red Sox history in the non Pinky Higgins division I happen to vehemently disagree with that opinion.
I happen to think Abreu and Valdez for two months of Vazquez will turn out to be one of his better deals. McGuire for the corpse of Diekman is probably a close second though. Despite his faults, Nick Pivetta has been very useful the past few years and was integral to the 2021 team. Overall, I think Bloom did more good than bad and in a few years( perhaps as soon as next year) his reign will be seen in a more positive light.
You being obsessed with me is weird, you get that , right?
 

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I don't dislike Bloom but do you realize how crazy it is for a big market GM's best moves over 4 years to potentially be those?
I really don’t think it’s crazy at all if the strategy is to build a foundation of cost controlled players before doing anything splashy. We might not prefer that strategy, but isn’t that sort of what the Braves did when they were creating this juggernaut?
 

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I really don’t think it’s crazy at all if the strategy is to build a foundation of cost controlled players before doing anything splashy. We might not prefer that strategy, but isn’t that sort of what the Braves did when they were creating this juggernaut?
I prefaced my earlier comment along those lines, we really don't know the extent to which ownership was directing this process. Perhaps he just wasn't able to make more impactful immediate impact moves and he was just playing the hand he was dealt. Entirely possible he had no choice but to play the long game.

My sense is that it's a combination of the two. Chaim was a bit hamstrung and scapegoated here, but he also genuinely had trouble using the resources at his disposal to make significant moves to shape the current roster in a positive way. He just seemed overly risk averse in general to me (was the plan to lock up Casas and Bello long term if we are using the Braves strategy?)

Having said that, I expect that his "best moves" won't be known for a few more years. Many of the guys he drafted (and then refused to trade for short term benefit) may turn out to be big difference makers, and he should get points for that. Time will tell.
 

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I prefaced my earlier comment along those lines, we really don't know the extent to which ownership was directing this process. Perhaps he just wasn't able to make more impactful immediate impact moves and he was just playing the hand he was dealt. Entirely possible he had no choice but to play the long game.

My sense is that it's a combination of the two. Chaim was a bit hamstrung and scapegoated here, but he also genuinely had trouble using the resources at his disposal to make significant moves to shape the current roster in a positive way. He just seemed overly risk averse in general to me (was the plan to lock up Casas and Bello long term if we are using the Braves strategy?)

Having said that, I expect that his "best moves" won't be known for a few more years. Many of the guys he drafted (and then refused to trade for short term benefit) may turn out to be big difference makers, and he should get points for that. Time will tell.
This is entirely fair, and the story (hah) hasn't been written on some of the deals. We've yet to see what the back half of Story's deal will provide, or how Yoshida will adjust to his second year, whether Urias will go back to himself, whether Wong takes a leap, whether Abreu becomes a middle-of-the-order bat, etc. We all want to judge Blooms tenure now, and it's clear that while he was here, the team did not compete most of the time, it's also clear he made a few deals that have the potential to be huge value-adds. N

If he promised the ownership group he could thread the needle and do a rebuild while also competing while keeping the salaries under the cap, that was his mistake. He probably should have advocated more strongly for a rebuild to get out from underneath the Sale contract. But I don't even know if that's how the conversations went.

Personally I'm hopeful some of the deals he made will reap benefits for this team for years to come.
 

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I prefaced my earlier comment along those lines, we really don't know the extent to which ownership was directing this process. Perhaps he just wasn't able to make more impactful immediate impact moves and he was just playing the hand he was dealt. Entirely possible he had no choice but to play the long game.

My sense is that it's a combination of the two. Chaim was a bit hamstrung and scapegoated here, but he also genuinely had trouble using the resources at his disposal to make significant moves to shape the current roster in a positive way. He just seemed overly risk averse in general to me (was the plan to lock up Casas and Bello long term if we are using the Braves strategy?)

Having said that, I expect that his "best moves" won't be known for a few more years. Many of the guys he drafted (and then refused to trade for short term benefit) may turn out to be big difference makers, and he should get points for that. Time will tell.
The multi-million dollar question is whether the plan is to lock up Casas and Bello long term. I'm not savvy enough to know if the timing is right(i.e., when is the right time to make some of your cheap guys no longer cheap), but my fandom says do it tomorrow.
But I agree that time will tell. Whether right or wrong, or to our individual liking or not, Bloom was playing a long game. If one or more of Abreu, Yorke, and Anthony, for example, turn out to be big time players then his time here looks a lot more splashy.
 

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The multi-million dollar question is whether the plan is to lock up Casas and Bello long term. I'm not savvy enough to know if the timing is right(i.e., when is the right time to make some of your cheap guys no longer cheap), but my fandom says do it tomorrow.
But I agree that time will tell. Whether right or wrong, or to our individual liking or not, Bloom was playing a long game. If one or more of Abreu, Yorke, and Anthony, for example, turn out to be big time players then his time here looks a lot more splashy.
Let me get outside SoSH's window with my Bloombox on my shoulder and say something outrageous: the Vasquez for Abreu/Valdez has the chance to be a boner on the level of the Bagwell deal for the Astros.

Now dunk on me.
 

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Let me get outside SoSH's window with my Bloombox on my shoulder and say something outrageous: the Vasquez for Abreu/Valdez has the chance to be a boner on the level of the Bagwell deal for the Astros.

Now dunk on me.
I remember listening to a game earlier in the year when Dalbec had just gotten called up. The radio guys said they had been talking to him and that Dalbec had gone out of his way to tell them that this Abreu kid at AAA was different, that he was a very special hitter.
Now that's just one opinion, and it's the opinion of Bobby freaking Dalbec. But its the first time that I started paying attention to Abreu, and I find his at bats becoming must see tv at this point.
 

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If one or more of Abreu, Yorke, and Anthony, for example, turn out to be big time players then his time here looks a lot more splashy.
For sure, the list is fortunately pretty long. Even recent top picks like Mayer and Teel too (among others).

If the 2026 Red Sox are some version of the 2023 Orioles, Bloom definitely should get some delayed props.

Even if he still rightly deserves some blame for the 2022/2023 teams.
 

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I remember listening to a game earlier in the year when Dalbec had just gotten called up. The radio guys said they had been talking to him and that Dalbec had gone out of his way to tell them that this Abreu kid at AAA was different, that he was a very special hitter.
Now that's just one opinion, and it's the opinion of Bobby freaking Dalbec. But its the first time that I started paying attention to Abreu, and I find his at bats becoming must see tv at this point.
Hadn't heard that! The adjustments Abreu made this year are really fascinating. K rate dropped by 6% (6!), probably with the help of robo-umps, but despite that, he still had a BB of 16%. When he swings at marginal stuff he's often checking in with the umps to see if he should have laid off. I take that as a sign of a really mature hitter. Fascinating to see his strends. A+ ball he really looked like nothing special - the K rate was astronomical. The changes he's made since then show a hitter who's really a student of the game.

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Sure it was not a deep system on that we can agree, but if you look at 2019 wasn’t Cherington just as guilty for that?
I’m pretty sure that Dombrowski’s habit of making 4 and 5 for 1 trades had more to do with the absence of upper minors talent.
 

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I do think Story can play short, I also don't see how Story, Mayer and Yorke are all a part of this team in the somewhat near future. And Yorke doesn't really have the type of bat that would make him valuable in many other spots, he's the first guy I'd be trying to include in a deal this off-season.
They don’t need to be, Story gives them the leisure to let Yorke and Mayer develop and to trade one (read Yorke) when the opportunity arises.
 

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I’m pretty sure that Dombrowski’s habit of making 4 and 5 for 1 trades had more to do with the absence of upper minors talent.
The whole thing with Dombrowski leaving the cupboards bare issue is multifaceted. I've often mentioned that during that particular period of time all of the best young talent had been recently promoted to the bigs. Within just a couple of seasons we saw Bogearts, Betts, Bradley, Benintendi, Vazquez, Swihart, Beeks and Devers making their way to Boston. Without much coming up behind them, the actual depth of the remaining talent wasn't good.To his credit, DD was pretty steadfast in refusing to deal from that young core, but it resulted in having to make the 4 or 5 for 1s that @nighthob mentions. So not only was the remaining talent not all that great, but all of a sudden there was a shortage of suitable bodies to fill AAA and AA rosters.
 

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Before this year I would have given a slight edge to Whitlock as a seeming relief ace, possible above avg. starter.

At this point I’m not honestly sure what they have with him though. Is the starter experiment over? Can he go back to relief ace and be used effectively?

So would have to say Schwarber. That was SUCH a great and unexpected run.

Edit: I’m definitely intrigued by Abreu though. Seems like a high floor player with some upside.
 

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This discussion shows exactly why Bloom isn't here anymore. After 4 years on the job, his best moves are tinkering on the edges and filling in gaps on positive value trades.

Getting a 2 WAR guy on the cheap or turning a 1 WAR guy into a 2-3 WAR guy is great (and what we want a GM to do!), but that alone isn't going to get it done for a big market team.

It's entirely possible he was just playing the hand he was dealt from ownership, we'll probably never know all the details. But it's amazing his best moves are so relatively low impact.

Let's hope over the next 4 years, the new GM has some more impactful moves we can evaluate.


As to the actual question, I suppose I'll say Yoshida and hope his 1st half is a better representation of what to expect over the next few years.
This post nails it.

I've been rooting hard for Bloom to succeed, but his successes over the past 4 years (e.g., Whitlock, Duvall, Renfroe, Wacha, Schwarber, McGuire, Valdez, Abreu) at the MLB level were pretty middling in the greater scheme of things and dwarfed by his failures (overall team performance, trade deadline moves, Downs, JBJ, Story thus far, Kluber, etc.)