How do you solve a problem like Yoshida?

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Exactly. It’s too early to be writing anyone off quite yet. What were Yoshida’s numbers on April 28th last year? Hell, what were Casas’? What were Cedanne’s and Roman’s in the minors, too?
It's almost like baseball is a very long season and it's not wise to rush to judgement if players get off to a cold (or even hot) start. Just settle in and enjoy the ride. (Although here's hoping there will be more days like yesterday. A season with more than a few days like yesterday would be pretty sweet.)
 

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It's almost like baseball is a very long season and it's not wise to rush to judgement if players get off to a cold (or even hot) start. Just settle in and enjoy the ride. (Although here's hoping there will be more days like yesterday. A season with more than a few days like yesterday would be pretty sweet.)
I still don't get why posts like @Salem'sLot and others that were demanding the Sox DFA Youshida immediately. Assuming Devers can play 3rd, then Yoshida has a role on the team. Plus, he could be a great bat off the bench if a team starts a lefty but then brings in a righty.
 

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I still don't get why posts like @Salem'sLot and others that were demanding the Sox DFA Youshida immediately. Assuming Devers can play 3rd, then Yoshida has a role on the team. Plus, he could be a great bat off the bench if a team starts a lefty but then brings in a righty.

I stand by my post. The team would be much better with Devers as the primary DH, and having a better glove at 3b going forward. Yoshida cannot play MLB caliber defense anywhere on the field. With the amount of injuries stacking up on the pitching staff, I remain convinced that the 40 man spot is more valuable than a 30 year old DH only player that doesn’t hit for much power.
 

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I stand by my post. The team would be much better with Devers as the primary DH, and having a better glove at 3b going forward. Yoshida cannot play MLB caliber defense anywhere on the field. With the amount of injuries stacking up on the pitching staff, I remain convinced that the 40 man spot is more valuable than a 30 year old DH only player that doesn’t hit for much power.
Who do you want to trade for? There's no 3B in the system who can hit better than Masa banging down the door.
 

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I stand by my post. The team would be much better with Devers as the primary DH, and having a better glove at 3b going forward. Yoshida cannot play MLB caliber defense anywhere on the field. With the amount of injuries stacking up on the pitching staff, I remain convinced that the 40 man spot is more valuable than a 30 year old DH only player that doesn’t hit for much power.
You're seriously standing by, " If they can’t trade him this week they should DFA him."?
 

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You're seriously standing by, " If they can’t trade him this week they should DFA him."?
Yes. I don’t think he provides much value to this club. He has no position, and he’s on the wrong side of 30. I would rather have a replacement level bat that can field 3b well and allow Devers to DH every day. And yes, with the potential 40 man issues, now is the time to try to trade him while he’s hitting decently. And if they can’t move him, I’d rather have the 40 man spot and let him DH in Worcester.
 

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Who do you want to trade for? There's no 3B in the system who can hit better than Masa banging down the door.
Just to play a little fantasy, what if we signed Alex Bregman in the off season? An outfield with Duran, Abreu, O'Neill, and Refsnyder. An infield of Bregman, Rafaela, Grissom, Casas. Raffy at DH. The current catching situation. And in 2025, we'd have Teel, Anthony, and Mayer pounding at the door.
 

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Yes. I don’t think he provides much value to this club. He has no position, and he’s on the wrong side of 30. I would rather have a replacement level bat that can field 3b well and allow Devers to DH every day. And yes, with the potential 40 man issues, now is the time to try to trade him while he’s hitting decently. And if they can’t move him, I’d rather have the 40 man spot and let him DH in Worcester.
Age 30 years 288 days, you're killing me.
 

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Age 30 years 288 days, you're killing me.
All I meant by that is if he was 25, maybe there’s a chance he can improve defensively enough to play an adequate MLB outfield and change my mind about his value to the ball club. At 30 years old he is what he is.
 

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Just to play a little fantasy, what if we signed Alex Bregman in the off season? An outfield with Duran, Abreu, O'Neill, and Refsnyder. An infield of Bregman, Rafaela, Grissom, Casas. Raffy at DH. The current catching situation. And in 2025, we'd have Teel, Anthony, and Mayer pounding at the door.
It's obviously still early, but Bregman isn't hitting so far, plus he's 2.5 years older than Raffy. Unless Masa's bat falls off, I'm fine with the current arrangement, then move Raffy to DH once that contract's finished (2028, his age 31 season).

I'd much rather spend the money on Burnes and/or extensions than a wrong-side-of-30 3B.
 

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I think a better thread title is" How Do You Solve a Problem Like Yoshida?"
I already hear it in my head every time the thread bumps :) There’s a quality corresponding image up thread as well.

As to how to solve, with due respect to a better than I expected reasoning from @Salem's Lot, the answer is time. Still think an 825ops guy in there somewhere, even if it’s with limited power (edit- and slow feet and negative defensive value…sigh).
 

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Just to play a little fantasy, what if we signed Alex Bregman in the off season? An outfield with Duran, Abreu, O'Neill, and Refsnyder. An infield of Bregman, Rafaela, Grissom, Casas. Raffy at DH. The current catching situation. And in 2025, we'd have Teel, Anthony, and Mayer pounding at the door.
Did Trevor Story get hit by a train in your scenario? Seeing him play GG caliber defense at bot 2B and SS, why couldn’t he be an option at 3B in your scenario since he is already under contract with the Sox? (Plus I’d need a shower having to root for AB)
 

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It's obviously still early, but Bregman isn't hitting so far, plus he's 2.5 years older than Raffy. Unless Masa's bat falls off, I'm fine with the current arrangement, then move Raffy to DH once that contract's finished (2028, his age 31 season).

I'd much rather spend the money on Burnes and/or extensions than a wrong-side-of-30 3B.
This is the likely route too, and the one that makes the most sense with fewer moving parts
 

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Did Trevor Story get hit by a train in your scenario? Seeing him play GG caliber defense at bot 2B and SS, why couldn’t he be an option at 3B in your scenario since he is already under contract with the Sox? (Plus I’d need a shower having to root for AB)
That's a pretty solid idea if Rafaela can at minimum be a replacement level bat this year (remains to be seen but signs are good) or Mayer appears ready to go on Opening Day 2025. Solid enough that it makes a ton of sense to keep the status quo at 3B and DH through this season and re-evaluate it all this winter.

Another factor here is that O'Neill and Refsnyder aren't under contract for 2025. So Yoshida could be back in the mix in the outfield. I know that they seem loathe to play him out there but I still don't understand why. He was not an abject disaster last season. He wasn't good but he wasn't the worst ever either. Unless they're seeing something behind the scenes, the lengths to which they've gone to avoid playing him in the field seem extreme.
 

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Did Trevor Story get hit by a train in your scenario? Seeing him play GG caliber defense at bot 2B and SS, why couldn’t he be an option at 3B in your scenario since he is already under contract with the Sox? (Plus I’d need a shower having to root for AB)
I wouldn’t. Think Brad Marchand…loved by Bruins fans, hated by all other NHL fans.
 

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Did Trevor Story get hit by a train in your scenario? Seeing him play GG caliber defense at bot 2B and SS, why couldn’t he be an option at 3B in your scenario since he is already under contract with the Sox? (Plus I’d need a shower having to root for AB)
Eh, just forgot he existed, honestly.
 

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I stand by my post. The team would be much better with Devers as the primary DH, and having a better glove at 3b going forward. Yoshida cannot play MLB caliber defense anywhere on the field. With the amount of injuries stacking up on the pitching staff, I remain convinced that the 40 man spot is more valuable than a 30 year old DH only player that doesn’t hit for much power.
What happens if your generic replacement guy comes into the org and gets drilled in the wrist day one? Or Devers as your fulltime DH hurts his shoulder swinging his ball sack off again and has to hit the IL for three weeks? I don't think there's a single organization in the MLB that would DFA Yoshida. If you want to shift Devers to DH you fix that problem in the off-season. There are four regulars on this team with a sub 100 OPS + and none are named Masataka Yoshida. That's simply not an asset you cut bait on in April.

I wonder if Yoshida would be on people's chopping block if he didn't have such a stark first half / second half splits.