You funny.Mookie Betts ain't walking through that door folks. It's time to move on.
You funny.Mookie Betts ain't walking through that door folks. It's time to move on.
6/155, and that's an overpayEd Hand
Good morning. Did you know that Nomar Garciaparra slashed .323/.370/.553 over 966 games (4345 PA) with Boston from 1996 - 2004. He also had 1281 hits, 279 doubles, 52 triples, 229 home runs, 690 RBI, 84 stolen bases, and a mere 406 strikeouts in his Red Sox career.
FWIW, Devers' most similar batters thru age 25 on B-Ref is a horror show of guys who flamed out early.I'm actually more cautious with Devers. While Bogaerts seems to be as durable as a player can be, Devers--in his mid 20's is starting to play like he's old.
https://nypost.com/2022/11/09/red-sox-remain-far-apart-with-rafael-devers-xander-bogaerts/The Red Sox are in active talks with homegrown stars Rafael Devers and Xander Bogaerts, but sources suggest there is plenty of work to do to complete a deal with either of them.
The feeling is their chances at present are somewhat better to get a Devers deal done, but sources say they remain “oceans apart” in even those talks.
The Red Sox are said to have offered Devers a bit more than the $212 million deal Austin Riley signed with the Braves, but he is seeking significantly more than that. He has the most extra-base hits in baseball over the past four years, is second in total bases to Freddie Freeman by two, is also second in RBIs in the American League to Jose Abreu, and third in home runs in the AL to Aaron Judge and Marcus Semien.
Also of significance: Devers, who is seeking $300 million-plus, is only a year away from free agency.
Word is, Devers is willing to be patient, which should come as no surprise since he’s holding a lot of the leverage, if not all of it. One source thought he may even wait to see what happens with his good friend and longtime Red Sox teammate Xander Bogaerts. Perhaps complicating matters, talks with Bogaerts seem even less promising at the time.
Agreed. 8/$200 and 10/$300. Hitch the wagon to these two. Not a very sophisticated analysis but: you have to make something the face/core of a team with this much money and fan attention; homegrown all-star infielders seems like the best choice available.I’m starting to think, given this emerging high $ market, that if want X, we’re going to have to go long on years. Have to get to $200M+, so maybe 7/$200 and an option year based on ABs? That keeps his AAV under $30.
Go long and figure out where to play him later. His body type should age well.
The one thing we can offer him that other teams can’t: legacy. That requires years more than AAV.
That's almost exactly what I said I'd offer X upthread a week or two ago (including option year or years based on PAs so that he can finish his career in Boston).I’m starting to think, given this emerging high $ market, that if want X, we’re going to have to go long on years. Have to get to $200M+, so maybe 7/$200 and an option year based on ABs? That keeps his AAV under $30.
Go long and figure out where to play him later. His body type should age well.
The one thing we can offer him that other teams can’t: legacy. That requires years more than AAV.
You, sir, are a freakin clairvoyant genius! . (Especially if they actually sign him for something like this.)That's almost exactly what I said I'd offer X upthread a week or two ago (including option year or years based on PAs so that he can finish his career in Boston).
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Sarcasm detector activated.You, sir, are a freakin clairvoyant genius! . (Especially if they actually sign him for something like this.)
No, no, credit where and when it’s due!Sarcasm detector activated.
No. He might sign a 12/$350 lifetime type deal or go for shorter years and hope to get another contract. But that would take like 7/$250 for him to sign short. No way he signs a lifetime contract for only $275.Would Devers sign the contract X just got?
A number of people agreed that I was right in the ballpark with this.Bogaerts: 6/162
The list of people who saw X's deal coming in at 11/280 on October 30th is pretty short. Life comes at your pretty fast sometimes.A number of people agreed that I was right in the ballpark with this.
Turns out.... I. Wasn't. Even. Remotely. Close.
LOL
Are we sure that they want to commit $360 million to any one player?The Red Sox should put the Aaron Judge contract in front of Devers now and see if he would sign it.
He'd be nuts not to--Judge is older but discarding the COVID year, Judge's WAR floor is Devers's ceiling.The Red Sox should put the Aaron Judge contract in front of Devers now and see if he would sign it.
I agree completely, but some will still say the Sox were too cheap even if they made that offer, which I don't think they will nor should. 10 years/300M would be my maximum and then trade him if he refuses, others mileage may vary.He'd be nuts not to--Judge is older but discarding the COVID year, Judge's WAR floor is Devers's ceiling.
I would but they won’t. This is what top of the market players get and the Red Sox have let two really good players walk because they constantly low ball them.Are we sure that they want to commit $360 million to any one player?
As much as I think lowballs are genuinely stupid and counterproductive, it’s not why they walked. If the Sox were in at the number they’d just as easily be in Boston.I would but they won’t. This is what top of the market players get and the Red Sox have let two really good players walk because they constantly low ball them.
And... Dever's best position most likely will be DH in a couple of years.Devers has never finished in the top ten for MVP voting. Judge just won one in one of the most dominating performances ever.