Exactly! This wasn’t a spinal injury. It’s ridiculous. This is a brain injury. It should be announced as one.Movement in his extremities isn’t the issue.
Exactly! This wasn’t a spinal injury. It’s ridiculous. This is a brain injury. It should be announced as one.Movement in his extremities isn’t the issue.
Yeah that’s what’s important. As long as Miami doesn’t get blamed. The NFL should be shot to the moonMiami doesn’t handle the concussion protocol. They don’t put him in the protocol and they can’t clear him.
You can absolutely say they could or should have held him out as a precautionary measure, but someone else, not a Miami doctor, said he was ok to go back in the game, and Roger and the league are going to have to answer for that.
It’s a start. He wasn’t moving and was strapped to a board. It doesn’t mean that Tua is ok, it means he isn’t paralyzed.Conscious and feeling in his extremities. That’s something at least, but doesn’t address the possible concussion damage.
Again, that’s now how the protocol works.How much you want to bet the medical staff has phone communications from coaches/ownership saying clear him.
Agree, but they did, FWIW, indicate he had a neck injury as well. But you’re right, they’re deflecting from both concussions.Exactly! This wasn’t a spinal injury. It’s ridiculous. This is a brain injury. It should be announced as one.
My larger point is everyone in here is saying Miami and their staff pressured Tua or the doctors to clear Tua. That isn’t how the concussion protocol works.Yeah that’s what’s important. As long as Miami doesn’t get blamed. The NFL should be shot to the moon
Nowinski must wonder why he even fucking bothers doing what he does, when he sees shit like this.From one of the BU CTE guys:
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisNowinski1/status/1575659558613172224
And not just a second guesser. Here’s his tweet from 5 hours ago:
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisNowinski1/status/1575578179581771776
If that’s the case that’s a big fucking problem when it comes to concussions and this leagues shitty history with it especially given team docs gotta have some weight on them to clear players.Every single coach in the league would play a key guy who is medically cleared to play.
The Dolphins are paying Bridgewater $6.5 million as insurance for Tua sucking, not being injured.Nowinski must wonder why he even fucking bothers doing what he does, when he sees shit like this.
Fins could have gotten a pass for themselves and the league by sitting him out tonight, after the last fiasco. But nope. Everyone in that organization who saw his last concussion and let this happen should be fucking ashamed of themselves. All of them.
It's 2022. They're talking about how he has movement in his extremities. They're not mentioning that Tua himself doesn't have any idea where he is and won't likely remember any events from today.
Well to be fair, coaches AREN'T medical people. If a real, legit, doctor cleared a player, then the coach kinda sorta ought to go with what the actual medical experts say, right? I mean, who else's expertise should coaches lean on?If that’s the case that’s a big fucking problem when it comes to concussions and this leagues shitty history with it.
…did you quote the wrong post?The Dolphins are paying Bridgewater $6.5 million as insurance for Tua sucking, not being injured.
Everything I’m reading says both the team doctor and the independent neurologist evaluate the player.My larger point is everyone in here is saying Miami and their staff pressured Tua or the doctors to clear Tua. That isn’t how the concussion protocol works.
This is the absolute truth.Every single coach in the league would play a key guy who is medically cleared to play.
He’s accepting the propaganda that it was a back injury.I like Herbie, but nobody should be “gutting out” a concussion, FFS.
I mean it’s been this way forever. Things are absolutely better today than they were years ago, but protecting players rests entirely on the doctors. Coaches want to win, period. Pay zero attention to what they say, players are nothing but meat to them.If that’s the case that’s a big fucking problem when it comes to concussions and this leagues shitty history with it especially given team docs gotta have some weight on them to clear players.
Clearing a player as physically capable to play should not mean he should be played in every circumstance. Every party involved has incentive to edge towards being aggressive on players returning and in that case maybe, just maybe, you shouldn’t put your QB out there five days after probable head trauma on a short week when he’s otherwise banged up.Well to be fair, coaches AREN'T medical people. If a real, legit, doctor cleared a player, then the coach kinda sorta ought to go with what the actual medical experts say, right? I mean, who else's expertise should coaches lean on?
Team doctor is quite capable of telling the coach the player isn’t ready/healthyMy larger point is everyone in here is saying Miami and their staff pressured Tua or the doctors to clear Tua. That isn’t how the concussion protocol works.
The whole point is not to put a head trauma safety issue in the hands of the player or coach. If a doctor says someone can play, then he can play. This is supposed to be a binary decision, by design.Clearing a player as physically capable to play should not mean he should be played in every circumstance. Every party involved has incentive to edge towards being aggressive on players returning and in that case maybe, just maybe, you shouldn’t put your QB out there five days after probable head trauma on a short week when he’s otherwise banged up.
Now my favorite team’s coach has pressured concussed players to practice and is currently saying a one legged QB is day by day so glass houses. If Bill forced Mac out there this weekend and he tore his Achilles I’d say the same thing
Who?My larger point is everyone in here is saying Miami and their staff pressured Tua or the doctors to clear Tua. That isn’t how the concussion protocol works.
Agree. Extremely shortsighted to mess with your most important asset.Forget altruism, playing your starter this soon after a clear concussion is malpractice for a coach. This was practically inevitable, and the results aren't just bad for Tua. They're also bad for the team.
Yea, it’s absolutely not on the coach unless some super sketchy shit happened and he made the medical personnel clear him. Barring that, if the medical staff clears a player and the player wants to play, the coach SHOULD play him. Why shouldn’t he trust the medical team?I just don’t agree with the criticism of the Dolphins (and I hate the Dolphins). If a doctor said it wasn’t a concussion and he can play, then he can play. The process is intended to be a yes/no dynamic.
And didn't this already happen when Tua was allowed back in the game last week?The whole point is not to put a head trauma safety issue in the hands of the player or coach. If a doctor says someone can play, then he can play. This is supposed to be a binary decision, by design.
Ultimately the process failed, and it failed Tua. Most people assumed he was concussed last week.I just don’t agree with the criticism of the Dolphins (and I hate the Dolphins). If a doctor said it wasn’t a concussion and he can play, then he can play. The process is intended to be a yes/no dynamic.
That one was a worse decision than letting him play tonight, staggering (which he obviously did, while grabbing his head) is supposed to be an automatic no go. Him being cleared after that is absurd.And didn't this already happen when Tua was allowed back in the game last week?
Yep. But some people know he was concussed from a 6 second Twitter video, as opposed to a doctor that actually evaluated him.And didn't this already happen when Tua was allowed back in the game last week?
You've seen the clips right? Doc was obviously wrong. And this hit tonight wasn't even that terrible, but being so soon after the last one was more than enough to put Tua in the fetal position.I just don’t agree with the criticism of the Dolphins (and I hate the Dolphins). If a doctor said it wasn’t a concussion and he can play, then he can play. The process is intended to be a yes/no dynamic.
I saw a 6 second Twitter video. He played the second half and by all accounts was lucid and practiced this week. So what does anyone really know?You've seen the clips right? Doc was obviously wrong. And this hit wasn't even that terrible, but being so soon was more than enough to put Tua in the fetal position.
Fwiw, if this were the Pats and our QB, I'd be saying the same thing.
The binary process led to this tonight. The process is fucked somewhere.I just don’t agree with the criticism of the Dolphins (and I hate the Dolphins). If a doctor said it wasn’t a concussion and he can play, then he can play. The process is intended to be a yes/no dynamic.
They’re also paid to market and protect the brand, right? Like big tobacco marketers decades ago, they need to avoid the elephant in the room.These people get PAID to analyze the sport, and they aren’t discussing what literally everyone else watching this is thinking about and discussing with friends/family.
This.Every single coach in the league would play a key guy who is medically cleared to play.
We know that he has a serious concussion now. On a positive note, doc probably can't clear him for October 9 now since he left on a fucking stretcher. Stumbling across the field isn't enough evidence, but a backboard and ambulance is.I saw a 6 second Twitter video. He played the second half and by all accounts was lucid and practiced this week. So what does anyone really know?
The hit tonight was pretty bad. He got whipped to the ground hard and hit square on the back of his head. It was violent and awful.
Honest disagreement is fine, it’s why we’re here! I just don’t think they’d consider it a “risk” because Tua was cleared to play last week. Every NFL player is nursing some injury at all times. It’s pretty tough to protect everyone from everything. And in this league if the doc says he can play, and the player wants to go, then that’s that.The binary process led to this tonight. The process is fucked somewhere.
If Mac got his clock cleaned last week like Tua did, was let back in the game, and then played four days later and got his clocked cleaned again and hospitalized I’d be saying this about the Pats too.
We can disagree on this and it’s fine, but in any other job risking one of your most important assets in this manner would bring questioning. I don’t think it’s unfair here.
That's dumb then. It should be "when in doubt sit him out" and anyone from the coach to the trainers to the doctors should be able to pull out a player for health reasons.The whole point is not to put a head trauma safety issue in the hands of the player or coach. If a doctor says someone can play, then he can play. This is supposed to be a binary decision, by design.