Unusual plays, Calls or Rulings

ThePrideofShiner

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Anyone seen this one before?

Runner advanced to second on a muffed throw by 2B, caught stealing, picked off. Assist to pitcher, assist to 1B.

That's from the official stats of my baseball team on the road today. Not sure how you can be caught stealing but still be on base, unless it is liking striking out and reaching base.
 

Cumberland Blues

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That's simple...he was picked off. Pitcher and 1B get an assist, he's safe at second on the error by the 2B (muffed the throw from 1B).
 

Tangled Up In Red

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Runner advanced to second on a muffed throw by 2B, caught stealing, picked off. Assist to pitcher, assist to 1B.
Muffed throw by 2B or muffed catch? Not sure I'm following the full sequence here. I don't see how you can be caught stealing and picked off in the same play... let alone still be on base (unless two obvious and separate errors in the field).
 

DJnVa

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Muffed throw by 2B or muffed catch? Not sure I'm following the full sequence here. I don't see how you can be caught stealing and picked off in the same play... let alone still be on base (unless two obvious and separate errors in the field).
Being "picked off" isn't a real stat--it does not mean the team got an out. Being picked off is a description, not a stat. You get picked off and try to advance and they get you--you're picked off as a DESCRIPTION of what led to the caught stealing.

Here's the caught stealing rule:

The official scorer shall charge a runner as “caught stealing” if such runner is put out, or would have been put out by errorless play, when such runner (1) tries to steal; (2) is picked off a base and tries to advance (any move toward the next base shall be considered an attempt to advance); or (3) overslides while stealing.
Therefore, it follows that you can be picked off and still be safe at second and get a stolen base if you simply beat the throw.
 
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Tangled Up In Red

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OK, helpful feedback, thanks.
Going back to my original confusion, was it a muffed throw or catch by the 2Bman (or does it not matter what happens after the break for second -- eg rundown vs straight slide)?
Is there no practical finite number of assists that can be given on a given play if the fielders continually drop the ball at bases? Assists do not have to equal outs...
 

Humphrey

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What plays have anyone seen in basketball as odd as what Marcus Smart did Monday night?