Unusual plays, Calls or Rulings

[ThePrideofShiner]

Anyone seen this one before?

Runner advanced to second on a muffed throw by 2B, caught stealing, picked off. Assist to pitcher, assist to 1B.

That's from the official stats of my baseball team on the road today. Not sure how you can be caught stealing but still be on base, unless it is liking striking out and reaching base.

 

[Cumberland Blues]

That's simple...he was picked off. Pitcher and 1B get an assist, he's safe at second on the error by the 2B (muffed the throw from 1B).

 

[ThePrideofShiner]

But the runner wouldn't be charged with a caught stealing, right?

 

[Cumberland Blues]

Depends if he broke before the throw or not.

 

[Tangled Up In Red]

Runner advanced to second on a muffed throw by 2B, caught stealing, picked off. Assist to pitcher, assist to 1B.

Muffed throw by 2B or muffed catch? Not sure I'm following the full sequence here. I don't see how you can be caught stealing and picked off in the same play... let alone still be on base (unless two obvious and separate errors in the field).

 

[DJnVa]

Muffed throw by 2B or muffed catch? Not sure I'm following the full sequence here. I don't see how you can be caught stealing and picked off in the same play... let alone still be on base (unless two obvious and separate errors in the field).

Being "picked off" isn't a real stat--it does not mean the team got an out. Being picked off is a description, not a stat. You get picked off and try to advance and they get you--you're picked off as a DESCRIPTION of what led to the caught stealing.

Here's the caught stealing rule:

The official scorer shall charge a runner as “caught stealing” if such runner is put out, or would have been put out by errorless play, when such runner (1) tries to steal; (2) is picked off a base and tries to advance (any move toward the next base shall be considered an attempt to advance); or (3) overslides while stealing.

Therefore, it follows that you can be picked off and still be safe at second and get a stolen base if you simply beat the throw.

 

[Tangled Up In Red]

OK, helpful feedback, thanks.
Going back to my original confusion, was it a muffed throw or catch by the 2Bman (or does it not matter what happens after the break for second -- eg rundown vs straight slide)?
Is there no practical finite number of assists that can be given on a given play if the fielders continually drop the ball at bases? Assists do not have to equal outs...

 

[santadevil]

Edit/ wrong thread than I was looking for

 

[Humphrey]

What plays have anyone seen in basketball as odd as what Marcus Smart did Monday night?

 

[tonyandpals]

This happened the other night in a league I run. Tied 4-4, bottom 9 (we play 7), two outs, bases empty, team at the plate needs to win to make the playoffs. Game will be over after this inning due to time limit. Bloop single to right. Double down the LF line, 2nd and 3rd. Walk, bases loaded. First pitch to the next batter hits him in the leg. Start heading to first, ump immediately calls him back saying he did not make an attempt to get out of the way. Ball one. It was your typical this pitch is going to hit me type situation and he turned his leg an absorbed it. Never seen that one called before. Have seen the elbow over the plate called a strike. Not this one. Got to a full count, grounded out to second. Game. Finished the season 10-10-1 behine the 11-10 team they had the tiebreaker on. Oooof.

 

[Omar's Wacky Neighbor]

Have seen the elbow over the plate called a strike.

That brings back memories. Once saw a coach's son lower his head right into the strike zone and get plunked by a pitch right down the middle of the plate. His Dad/coach was screaming that he was HBP and should be awarded first base.

 

[Cumberland Blues]

There's a kid on my son's HS team who has the bad habit of starting to walk to first before ball 4 reaches the plate. He's a RHB and a couple times he's been called back because he walked into a pitch.

 

[LoweTek]

There's a kid on my son's HS team who has the bad habit of starting to walk to first before ball 4 reaches the plate. He's a RHB and a couple times he's been called back because he walked into a pitch.

I'm a little surprised he hasn't pissed off some umpire along the way who might warn him and the coach and/or eject him on the spot.

 

[edoug]

There's a kid on my son's HS team who has the bad habit of starting to walk to first before ball 4 reaches the plate. He's a RHB and a couple times he's been called back because he walked into a pitch.

He's on the High School team and has happened more than once? I know that's what you wrote but I'm just having a hard time comprehending it.

 

[Cumberland Blues]

Yeah...it happened at least twice this past season - and probably should've happened more - I have no idea why it's a thing with this kid. He is otherwise a pretty smart player. I know the coach has talked with him about it and told him not to do that.

 

[edoug]

It is odd but Papi has started to first on an obvious ball 4. Being left-handed made it less of a big deal.

 

[Ferm Sheller]

Don't know how to embed this video, but this is either a HS or college game, I think. CFer tags the batter/runner out at the plate after trying to stretch a bloop single into a HR.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mqvtJPxdF0A

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

That one was posted a while back in the Unusual Plays thread in the MLB forum, with some discussion following. That CF bailed out some bad baseball by his teammates.

 

[Ferm Sheller]

That one was posted a while back in the Unusual Plays thread in the MLB forum, with some discussion following. That CF bailed out some bad baseball by his teammates.

Oh. Too many unusual plays threads — hard to stay current!

 

[tonyandpals]

Someone smarter than me, can you reference a rule on this:

A runner is called out while stealing 2B. Ball comes loose, runner comes off bag because of original out call, fielder picks up the ball, runner come off bag just as umpire is getting ready to signal safe, runner is tagged out as they are off the bag. Time not granted between any of those activities.

What's the call?

 

[OfTheCarmen]

I cant reference a specific rule, but I think it's the runner's responsibility to maintain contact with the bag for just such a possibility as ball popping out, etc.

 

[Archer1979]

Someone smarter than me, can you reference a rule on this:

A runner is called out while stealing 2B. Ball comes loose, runner comes off bag because of original out call, fielder picks up the ball, runner come off bag just as umpire is getting ready to signal safe, runner is tagged out as they are off the bag. Time not granted between any of those activities.

What's the call?

Out. They were safe on the steal but out when the runner left the bag.