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Post anything that you might hear out there.
Even if they get a left fielder?The Orioles made a huge splash yesterday acquiring W.Miley. The AL East division race is now over. The Red Sox are competing for the wild card.
I think you're underselling that trade. It's just a question of who will be playing the Orioles in the World Series now.The Orioles made a huge splash yesterday acquiring W.Miley. The AL East division race is now over. The Red Sox are competing for the wild card.
LOL.I think you're underselling that trade. It's just a question of who will be playing the Orioles in the World Series now.
They can ask for however much they want. They're still not getting anything even close to top tier for a 39-year-old two-month rental.Still rumors about Beltran floating around. MFY's would likely want to start with Moncada if they are trading in the division.
Just had to take my glasses off, and clean them, think they were dirty......Wow, it says ask For Moncada? Be right back, Im calling the Queen of England to ask her is she wants to go to a siwngers party with me.Still rumors about Beltran floating around. MFY's would likely want to start with Moncada if they are trading in the division.
Agreed, and I think they know that as well, but at the same time they likely can still get a couple more interesting young arms from someone else than they could from Boston.They can ask for however much they want. They're still not getting anything even close to top tier for a 39-year-old two-month rental.
A reasonable return for Beltran is 2 lower tier prospects plus taking on the rest of the contract. 2 months of a 40-year old rental should not cost that much. They have given up on the season already and I'd think they'd want to open up the roster spot to bring up Aaron Judge when he is healthy.Agreed, and I think they know that as well, but at the same time they likely can still get a couple more interesting young arms from someone else than they could from Boston.
Also I suspect they wouldn't ask for Moncada. I suspect the ask would start with Groome, knowing it isn;t going to happen, but that is the piece which would seem to match the Yankees org needs most (I know Moncada matches every orgs need, but they know he is untouchable)
Yeah it is hard to find a match. Sox aren't desperate enough to give up one of Groome, Kopech or Devers. Not for Beltran, nor should they. And beyond those 3 there really is nothing that seems like a match given the Yankees absurd depth now. My guess is the Yanks are trying to add some of their depth pieces to Beltran and others in order to raise the return. And that is not really a fit for the Sox who don't need depth pieces either
Agreed. That's including a really terrible start too.I honestly think the LF upgrade in September could be Benintendi. Guy is hitting .295/.357/.515/.872, with 8 homers in 63 games in AA. I think there's a very real chance he will be MLB ready (not just as a bench guy, but as a LF upgrade) by then.
I don't disagree. I suspect the Yankees would have traded Beltran for the 2 relievers they received as part of the Miller deal, and neither was ranked high in the Cleveland system. I don't see a match with Bos and NY because the low level lottery ticket types in the Boston system at the moment are batters, and the Yank system is already loaded with low level lottery ticket batters. I guess having 20 lottery tickets instead of 18 gives you a slightly better chance of hitting it bigA reasonable return for Beltran is 2 lower tier prospects plus taking on the rest of the contract. 2 months of a 40-year old rental should not cost that much. They have given up on the season already and I'd think they'd want to open up the roster spot to bring up Aaron Judge when he is healthy.
Based on speculation around, sounds like the Sox would be interested in bringing him in not just for the last 2 months, but also to see if they like him enough to be DH next yeaIf they wanted a LF all this time, I wonder why they didn't send out feelers for Jay Bruce (assuming they hadn't) and just flipped him this off-season.
Hoping it's just a check in on asking price w/rt to Beltran, otherwise I don't really get it.
Either way, it's such a marginal way to upgrade, I hope they don't do anything, and like the rest of the board, see what Benintendi can do.
I thought this too, but this piece from last week convinced me that probably doesn't make sense for NY to risk:hey do have the option of offering him arbitration and either keeping their best hitter at DH moving forward, or have him sign somewhere else and get the #1 pick in return
...I'm scared. Please no Moncada DD.Bob Nightengale @BNightengale
The Boston #RedSox had late-night talks with the #WhiteSox about Chris Sale. If Sale is moved, #RedSox and #Dodgers are likely destinations.
Seconded. And if I could, thirded....I'm scared. Please no Moncada DD.
Agreed. That's why I don't want to pursue that deal. I want some bullpen help, bring up Benintendi in September, and trust that these good players (especially guys like Price) will play like good players.If we get Sale, there's zero chance that both of those guys are staying.
I more or less agree that we don't get Sale without including one of them at least, but is it literally true it's impossible otherwise? They'd say yes to Pomeranz/Devers/Swihart/Kopech/Groome, right?If we get Sale, there's zero chance that both of those guys are staying.
If it comes to Sale and you can get him for AB and smaller pieces then I'd begrudgingly do it. But Moncada by all accounts is the next superstar in the minors. That would be a very tough pill to swallow if Yoan ends up being a 30/30 guy on a yearly basis with Chicago.Seconded. And if I could, thirded.
Do. Not. Trade. Benintendi. Or. Moncada.
Agreed. That's why I don't want to pursue that deal. I want some bullpen help, bring up Benintendi in September, and trust that these good players (especially guys like Price) will play like good players.
And the Sox should be just fine.
There are many possible trade permutations that they'd accept for Sale that don't include Moncada or Benintendi but that DD would not offer. Your proposal is one such deal. I'm sure they'd take Betts/Bogaerts/E-Rod, too. Not happening.I more or less agree that we don't get Sale without including one of them at least, but is it literally true it's impossible otherwise? They'd say yes to Pomeranz/Devers/Swihart/Kopech/Groome, right?
I think/hope it's similar to the Johan Santana trade talks were there were 2 separate packages on the table. One headed by Lester and the other by Ellsbury.If we get Sale, there's zero chance that both of those guys are staying.
There are many possible trade permutations that they'd accept for Sale that don't include Moncada or Benintendi but that DD would not offer. Your proposal is one such deal. I'm sure they'd take Betts/Bogaerts/E-Rod, too. Not happening.
And either of which would have ended up long-term loser trades.I think/hope it's similar to the Johan Santana trade talks were there were 2 separate packages on the table. One headed by Lester and the other by Ellsbury.
We need Farrell to fight again.And either of which would have ended up long-term loser trades.
Stand pat, DDski!
I don't think this gets it done but I draw the line on a Benintendi, Swihart. ERod, Basabe and Dubon offer. Could be convinced to put in Shaw (ride with Hill/Holt at third for the rest of the year). But it would be very tough to part with AB, Swihart, ERod, Devers, and Kopech in the same packageI think Betts and Bogaerts are clearly off the table, but add E-Rod to my group of names and there should be some combination that represents fair value for both teams. Whether you could find a deal that both teams would agree to, that's another stroy, my guess is no.
So they're asking for Moncada AB Kopech and probably Devers??? I've been a huge supporter of DD but if he does this...“@JonHeyman: heard chisox and red sox recently talked on sale. scuttlebutt is CWS seek at least 4 guys from BOS, including 3 of best.”
Scuttlebutt?? lol“@JonHeyman: heard chisox and red sox recently talked on sale. scuttlebutt is CWS seek at least 4 guys from BOS, including 3 of best.”
They aren't getting Moncada and Benintendi for Sale. Benintendi, ERod, Kopech, and another prospect would be an acceptable framework.So they're asking for Moncada AB Kopech and probably Devers??? I've been a huge supporter of DD but if he does this...
As long as generational pitch-framing genius Christian Vazquez and All-Star Gritty Sparkplug BROCKHOLT! are included as two of Boston's "best" I'm okay with this news.“@JonHeyman: heard chisox and red sox recently talked on sale. scuttlebutt is CWS seek at least 4 guys from BOS, including 3 of best.”
Regarding the Beltran to the Sox possibility (there are reports that they are one of the teams in the mix), do people think the Yankees would make a deal that might make a Boston playoff berth more likely? Several years ago, I seriously doubt it. Now, it seems like the border wars in this sport have cooled to the point that they actually would if they got the right return. And we know Cashman is in build mode.
As to Sale, just say no. Keep both of those prospects unless the haul is a true game changer, and I can't see how a Sale trade does that.
There is a difference between what they are seeking and what they would be offered. It's nice to want things.So they're asking for Moncada AB Kopech and probably Devers??? I've been a huge supporter of DD but if he does this...
Would have been better if they still had Espinoza, I can't imagine Pomeranz adds much value here.I more or less agree that we don't get Sale without including one of them at least, but is it literally true it's impossible otherwise? They'd say yes to Pomeranz/Devers/Swihart/Kopech/Groome, right?
I am sure ChiSox probably want the three best, but if the deal could be for three OF the best that would be more palatable.“@JonHeyman: heard chisox and red sox recently talked on sale. scuttlebutt is CWS seek at least 4 guys from BOS, including 3 of best.”