Trade Deadline 2014
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Wait a 2nd round pick and a prospect and you couldn't match that to prevent the biggest fucking bruins killer going to the biggest bruins rival!?
Would have had to shed salary, no? Choice between bolstering a battered defense or adding Vanek to a top-5 offense. Obviously it would have been nice.
1) I doubt Snow was keeping Chia posted on all the possible landing spots for Vanek.BoSoxFink said:
2) I wouldn't like a GM who made moves only to prevent good players from going to other teams. I like Vanek and would have welcomed him here, but perhaps Chia feels differently or Vanek was never made available to the Bruins.
This reminds me a little bit of Welker. Different circumstances but same triple whammy.
The home team doesn't get their man, he goes to the team we'd least like to see him on and the price of obtaining him seems more than manageable.
Chia has some explaining to do.
PS: no need to point out the obvious differences....Vanek wasn't on the Bs, etc. This just rings familiar in those three ways....
The home team doesn't get their man, he goes to the team we'd least like to see him on and the price of obtaining him seems more than manageable.
Chia has some explaining to do.
PS: no need to point out the obvious differences....Vanek wasn't on the Bs, etc. This just rings familiar in those three ways....
Wait - you expected Chiarelli to know what MTL was offering?BoSoxFink said:
Give me a break with this shit. Obviously Chiarelli did not like the asking price and backed out. Who knows if the Islanders panicked and just accepted the only offer that was still on the table.
well the last part isn't true, as we all heard he tried to get Vanek in the Seguin trade last year but I understand your points. The biggest obstacle is definitely the salary cap.Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Vanek would have been nice, but yes Chiarelli would have had to trade someone on their roster to fit him under the cap. But, looking at the acquisition cost, it's less than what we all thought. Maybe Snow had a directive not to take back any salary. We know how cheap the Isles are.kenneycb said:
TheoShmeo said:
Chia can just take out his Stanley Cup ring, and then his dick, and say "This is all the explanation you clowns are getting today."
I mean really. The guy's proven himself to be a damn fine GM.
Since when was Vanek our man? This is absurd.TheoShmeo said:
A top-level prospect and a 2nd round pick is not a bad return for a 2 month rental. There's no guarantee he resigns with MTL.
Carmine Hose said:
Miss the Meszaros trade in your rush to post something unoriginal and witless?
Let's wait and see what prospect was given up. If it's Fucale, for example, he's on par with Subban.E
Edit: Not Fucale.
Edit: Not Fucale.
There are obviously no guarantees, but today did do a lot toward setting up an epic Bs vs Habs second round, since the Lightning seem to have gotten materially worse and Habs better. Not that anything is given, etc. etc.
Hopefully if that happens the Bruins will treat Vanek like they did Iginla last year (even though those situations are also only comparable, not really analogous)
Hopefully if that happens the Bruins will treat Vanek like they did Iginla last year (even though those situations are also only comparable, not really analogous)
TheoShmeo said:
Probably be right after Pitino's departure PC he's been holding out on.
There is no explaining to do.
Not surprisingly, Felger and even Bob Beers are killing the Bruins for "not doing more" and "letting Vanek go to Montreal".
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its not even just about this trade which I think is awful, but it goes back to trading for Vanek originally and what they gave up to get him. I just think it was poor choices.FL4WL3SS said:
RedOctober3829 said:
Well, it's much more Felger. Felgy basically was hammering Beersy to admit that it will be difficult for them to win the cup.
Ok then. Because it would have been easy if they got Vanek and Jack Johnson.
Yeah, just turn it off. I just did after Beers segment ended.
ForceAtHome said:
Solid, but still only #6 in the system for Montreal per this guy:
Retweeted by The Hockey News
Matt Larkin @THNMattLarkin 2mDisappointing return for Isles. Collberg rated as Montreal's No. 6 prospect in Future Watch. Would've expected de la Rose, Fucale, etc
Columbus only got Fratton and 2 mid-round picks for Gaborik. I don't think the market was as strong as people want to believe.
Collberg isn't a bad looking player. It could be that he had no better offer and pulled the trigger on something before he had nothing. He bled two seconds, a third, and a toolsy prospect for MacDonald and Vanek. Not Earth-shattering, but not awful.BoSoxFink said:
Collberg, 2nd, and the ability to take more of Vanek's contract. Collberg's got a lot of upside, but isn't on the level of Fucale/Beaulieu as a prospect. It does look like NYI had to hold 19.5% of the salary to make the Vanek deal go through.
I think RedOctober's point on how unwilling NYI would be to keep any $$ without getting a disproportionate amount of value for that is right on. Montreal had the cap space, plain and simple. After the (IMO more necessary) Meszaros deal the Bruins had $716k in cap space, and would have needed the Isles to hold 50% of the salary, and take back $2.9m in the form of either Boychuk, Kelly + Caron, or another combination of players.
I think RedOctober's point on how unwilling NYI would be to keep any $$ without getting a disproportionate amount of value for that is right on. Montreal had the cap space, plain and simple. After the (IMO more necessary) Meszaros deal the Bruins had $716k in cap space, and would have needed the Isles to hold 50% of the salary, and take back $2.9m in the form of either Boychuk, Kelly + Caron, or another combination of players.
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TheRealness said:
BREAKING - it's hard to win a cup. My God, I was actually kind of looking forward to some hockey talk. They've fallen so hard the last 3 years. Maybe they were never that high to begin with and I just had cup run fever so any Bruins talk went right to my head.
"It'll maybe get them to a conference final but not past Pittsburgh or the West."
Wonder what they'd say if someone pointed out that they're 2-1 against the Pens and 13-4-4 against the vaunted west.
Still, without the histrionics of Chia asleep at the wheel or whatever (and the variabliity of how much Snow liked Collberg) what would the equvalent Bruins prospect be? I don't think Collberg as as good as Spooner or Koko, and I wouldn't have really blanched much at a two month rental of Vanek for one of those two.
And yes, settled for a less costly cap hit on the defensive side.
And yes, settled for a less costly cap hit on the defensive side.
"It's going to be very difficult to get back to the Finals or win it all"
--Hockey savants Mike Felger and Tony Mazz
They are only 1 point back of Pittsburgh for the #1 seed in the East, but they have no shot. Give me a fucking break.
--Hockey savants Mike Felger and Tony Mazz
They are only 1 point back of Pittsburgh for the #1 seed in the East, but they have no shot. Give me a fucking break.
Sounds like it may be Halak for Neuvirth straight up? At minimum, that's definitely the base. Still looking for confirmation. Interesting to see how Halak and Holtby situation plays out.
I would say Khokhlachev is a comparable, maybe slightly inferior, prospect to Collberg. Bergevin was in the driver's seat with the amount of cap space he had, he even managed to make the conditional pick (the 2nd rounder wasn't conditional) benefit the Habs:
I think it's pretty obvious the obstacle to acquiring Vanek was cap space, not the acquisition cost. They definitely had the prospects and picks, but they would have had to clear a significant amount of salary and forego adding Meszaros in order to add to the roster, and Chiarelli was pretty firm that he didn't want to subtract from the on-ice roster this year. What forward could they have dealt that would have cleared salary AND NYI would have wanted AND would be worth a 2 month rental?
I just don't see how Vanek to the Bruins ever would have fit, regardless of where he ended up. I was surprised everyone was so fascinated with him coming here, I didn't think it ever had a shot. It does suck that he went to the Habs though. Fuck them.
I just don't see how Vanek to the Bruins ever would have fit, regardless of where he ended up. I was surprised everyone was so fascinated with him coming here, I didn't think it ever had a shot. It does suck that he went to the Habs though. Fuck them.