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Brady is the most impressive player in any sport ever, and by a wide margin in football. I am incredibly impressed by the stat that I think defines him: He has been to ten Super Bowls and won 7.

Doing that is going to give you a great winning percentage. But I still don’t really see any independent significance to the winning percentage. At the risk of infuriating the board further, 60, 75, 90? Don’t see how any of these would matter much or add or detract from 7 and 10. You can have a great winning percentage and not be Tom Brady. And you were the one who made the point on the other side that my make believe player with 5 one and dones would still be GOAT 2.

Given that I have become the villain of page 42 of the Tompa Bay thread, at this point I am trolling a bit. The truth is that the six wins in the years he didn’t go to the Super Bowl were each amazing and memorable and there are some fan bases that would love to have those alone. Tony Romo would take half of them. And anything that calls out the hypocrisy of Manning ball washing is fun too.

But I still just don't see much INDEPENDENTLY interesting about the win percentage. I still see it as mostly an artifact of the stat that really matters that we all already have branded on our souls.
A maybe more interesting case is a player who went to 4 conference championship games but lost all of them.
that player could be 8-4 (depending on byes), which is a great percentage.
That being said, you’re not wrong and neither are they.
You’re ‘little bit of trolling’ is being matched by other’s ‘little bit of piling on by the jackals’.
 

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These guys are kicking a field goal with 1:44 left to go up 2. And give the ball back to Brady. It’s like they’ve never seen the NFL before.

It’s like a Halloween movie….DONT DO IT! DONT ANSWER THE DOOR!

(oh well. there’s the jinx.)
 

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These guys are kicking a field goal with 1:44 left to go up 2. And give the ball back to Brady. It’s like they’ve never seen the NFL before.

It’s like a Halloween movie….DONT DO IT! DONT ANSWER THE DOOR!

(oh well. there’s the jinx.)
Well I guess the jinx worked.
 

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That trailer kind of sucks tbh. Like, what's it all about?

Excited for the series, but that trailer did nothing for me.
I have to think this will be incredibly boring. Brady is still active, so I guess he can't really tell any juicy stories involving players/coaches still in the league and if it's about his routine and mentality we already have Tom vs. Time.
 

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That trailer kind of sucks tbh. Like, what's it all about?

Excited for the series, but that trailer did nothing for me.
Yea the trailer isn’t great. I’m watching nfl network and saw an ad with Rodney randy Wes and a couple other guys telling stories and it looked great. Idk why they chose to have the trailer be just Brady reading a teddy roosevelt speech, but the ad I saw made it look much more entertaining
 

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This could be a boring Brady hagiography. I want the Patriots version of The Last Dance. Give me the first person accounts of SpyGate, Branch being traded, Hernandez, Kraft's arrest, Jimmy G, etc.
 
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Kind of off topic but a pic of Tom at Michigan popped up on Twitter. Has he ever said why he wore 10 at Michigan and 12 in NFL?

Was 10 taken when he got to the Pats? Or was 12 taken at Michigan?

Think Michigan will retire 10 whenever he retires in another decade?
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Small note - Brady now favorite for MVP with more than half the season behind us
 

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Small note - Brady now favorite for MVP with more than half the season behind us
How absurd is it that Tom Brady leads the NFL in touchdowns, even with a bye week, at the age of 44?

It is really so incredible and I know Brady gets a lot of love, but no matter how much love he's getting, it cannot be enough. He's 44 years old and he leads the entire frickin' league in TDs. And obviously this isn't the end all be all, but he's also ranked 2nd overall in total fantasy points, behind Lamar, who has one game on Brady.

Like, Tom Brady isn't just acquitting himself ok as a 44 year and not embarrassing himself. He's putting up the best numbers in the league. Literally unprecedented.
 

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How absurd is it that Tom Brady leads the NFL in touchdowns, even with a bye week, at the age of 44?

It is really so incredible and I know Brady gets a lot of love, but no matter how much love he's getting, it cannot be enough. He's 44 years old and he leads the entire frickin' league in TDs. And obviously this isn't the end all be all, but he's also ranked 2nd overall in total fantasy points, behind Lamar, who has one game on Brady.

Like, Tom Brady isn't just acquitting himself ok as a 44 year and not embarrassing himself. He's putting up the best numbers in the league. Literally unprecedented.
You're 100% right. It's crazy. He's so freaking good.

#2 in the NFL in passing yards (2,650)
#1 in the NFL in passing yards/game (331.3)
#1 in the NFL in passing TD (25)
#5 in the NFL in passer rating (108.6)

All that said, I *still* don't really "blame" BB for thinking that Brady was probably mostly done after the 2019 season. It's just not in the realm of what's normal for a guy his age to be playing at all, never mind doing what he's doing. There literally was no precedent for it in league history. BB had to bank on Brady being not just a decent NFL starter at an age when 99% of NFL QBs have long since been retired, but he had to bank on Brady being GREAT at these advanced ages.

Which, of course, Brady HAS been. But I don't blame BB for not making that bet, because if you take NFL history into account - even the history of great QBs - it would have been a bad, bad gamble on BB's part.

It just shows you how incredible Brady is.
 

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Question here:
People keep talking about whether BB made the right decision, whether he was reasonable in thinking TB had it in him, etc.
it wasn’t all BB’s decision, no? Wasn’t part of it that TB looked at the team over the next couple of years, said ‘this is what I need (in terms of roster, not $)’ and BB said ‘I just can’t give that to you. We have a couple of down years ahead of us’

like, I don’t actually think the TB would have stayed if he had thrown some more money at him. TB made his decision to leave more than BB made his decision to let him go.

Do I have that wrong?
 

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Question here:
People keep talking about whether BB made the right decision, whether he was reasonable in thinking TB had it in him, etc.
it wasn’t all BB’s decision, no? Wasn’t part of it that TB looked at the team over the next couple of years, said ‘this is what I need (in terms of roster, not $)’ and BB said ‘I just can’t give that to you. We have a couple of down years ahead of us’

like, I don’t actually think the TB would have stayed if he had thrown some more money at him. TB made his decision to leave more than BB made his decision to let him go.

Do I have that wrong?
I think there's some truth to that. I also think that Brady was kinda done with Belichick and wanted to change things up.

I still think people under appreciate the stress Deflategate probably put on the Brady-Belichick relationship. Not only does Belichick not 100% stand up for Brady initially ("You'll have to ask Tom about that.") but then Jimmy gets (what is supposed to be) a 4-game audition. I'm not suggesting either of them did anything wrong there -- but I have a hard time believing that by 2019 there weren't some bruised egos and hard feelings that largely stemmed from that stupid scandal.
 

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Nobody but Brady ultimately knows, but it seems like it came down to some combination of Brady wanting a longer commitment and being tired of getting it done without the team investing in offensive weapons.
 

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I think it was some of both. I was only addressing the BB side of it. He wasn’t going to pay Brady elite money for ages 43 and 44, which I completely understand. Even though it’s turned out, crazily enough, that TB is STILL the best QB in the game even at those ages.
 

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They have a lot of injuries but you can’t lose to the WFT the way they did. Though loss and 2 in a row. It will be an interesting few weeks for them.

Would you rather be New England in the AFC right now or Tampa in the NFC?
 

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They have a lot of injuries but you can’t lose to the WFT the way they did. Though loss and 2 in a row. It will be an interesting few weeks for them.

Would you rather be New England in the AFC right now or Tampa in the NFC?
Probably New England because I think they are trending up while Tampa may be here for this year but likely start a decline pretty soon.
 

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Losing Vea - who appears to have suffered a major knee injury - would be big; if teams can run more than not at all on that D it’ll make a difference.

Gronk, who knows. The back spasms he suffered a few weeks back have to be concerning.
 

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This is just a different offense without AB. If he can come back healthy soon, they’ll be fine. If his injury lingers, they’ve got issues.
 

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This is just a different offense without AB. If he can come back healthy soon, they’ll be fine. If his injury lingers, they’ve got issues.
I feel like Gronk may be more important? Brady has always relied on an outlet guy--Brown, Welker, Edelman/Gronk--when his other reads aren't open. Brown can do that some, but he also stretches the field a bit more.
 

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I feel like Gronk may be more important? Brady has always relied on an outlet guy--Brown, Welker, Edelman/Gronk--when his other reads aren't open. Brown can do that some, but he also stretches the field a bit more.
Both are definitely integral and missing both certainly has had an impact. Even without those guys, they’ve got Godwins, Evans, and 2 serviceable TEs. Really is ridiculous how talented they are when everyone is available.
 

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TAMPA — Bucs receiver Antonio Brown obtained a fake COVID-19 vaccination card so he could avoid NFL protocols, according to his former live-in chef.

Brown’s girlfriend, model Cydney Moreau, told Los Angeles chef Steven Ruiz in a text message July 2 that Brown was willing to pay $500 if he could get a Johnson & Johnson vaccination card.

“Can you get the COVID cards?” Moreau texted Ruiz on July 2, according to a screen grab he provided to the Tampa Bay Times.

“I can try,” Ruiz responded.

“JNJ shot. Ab said he would give you $500,” Moreau texted.

The text exchange between Moreau and Ruiz does not refer to Brown by name. The wide receiver is often called A.B. by friends, coaches and teammates.


The wide receiver and his personal chef fell out over an uncollected debt. Ruiz, who owns Taste ThatLA, says he is owed $10,000. He spoke publicly for the first time about Brown after trying unsuccessfully to extract a settlement from the Super Bowl champion Bucs and after talks with Brown’s lawyer went nowhere.

Ruiz said he was unable back in July to find a fake vaccination card for Brown, who had told those around him that he was worried about the vaccine’s potential negative effects on his body. A few weeks later, however, Ruiz said Brown showed him fake vaccination cards, which the wide receiver told Ruiz he had purchased for himself and Moreau. They were sitting on Brown’s dining room table, Ruiz said. It was just days before the start of Bucs training camp.

Alex Guerrero, a personal trainer and co-founder of TB12 with Tom Brady, arrived at Brown’s house the same night to help the 33-year-old Pro Bowler recover from knee surgery. According to Ruiz, Guerrero took a photograph of Brown’s vaccination card while he was there.

To document the list of vaccinated players as quickly as possible, the Bucs would sometimes have Guerrero or others in the organization photograph the cards to send to head trainer Bobby Slater and eventually to their infection control officer.

Ruiz said he believes Guerrero was unaware the card was fake.
https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2021/11/18/bucs-antonio-brown-accused-of-obtaining-fake-vaccine-card/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_content=@TB_Tmes&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
 

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Not surprised. In fact the least shocking revelation is that AB didn't pay his personal chef. Doesn't he have a reputation for that? I think I remember hearing something about him ripping off a personal chef either just before or just after his Pats tenure. Seems like anyone working for him should require payment up front.

As far as the Covid stuff goes if they do find he's unvaccinated I'd imagine the league has to suspend him. I think Evander Kane was suspended for about half the season for having a fake vaccine card.
 

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Not surprised. In fact the least shocking revelation is that AB didn't pay his personal chef. Doesn't he have a reputation for that? I think I remember hearing something about him ripping off a personal chef either just before or just after his Pats tenure. Seems like anyone working for him should require payment up front.

As far as the Covid stuff goes if they do find he's unvaccinated I'd imagine the league has to suspend him. I think Evander Kane was suspended for about half the season for having a fake vaccine card.
Kane got 21 games, roughly 25% of the NHL season.
 

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These NFL guys afraid of what the vaccine will "do to their body" is bizarro world stuff.

A 100% chance of getting your head bashed in multiple times a year.... but a 1 in a million chance of some random side effect.... "No way, can't do that"