Pretty sure he stated unequivocally that 100.00% of this team's problems are due to Mac, and he will perish upon a small risen tract of land to defend this truth.
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One side of the ball was stronger than the other? Never heard of it.
People are funny in this thread. Y'all want want BB's head so bad.
I think SJM’s argument was about the lack of competent quarterbacking on the team. Naturally, that has been directed at Mac, but I think his point still stands. Because Zappe isn’t the answer either. They don’t have any on the roster.
You just stated that the defense is good and will remain good with a difference coach. I would be careful mocking people for what they post.
The Giants, with Tommy DeVito, have 11 more points on the year. The Jets, with Zach Wilson, have 23 more points on the year. The Panthers, with Bryce Young have 25 more points on the year. The Steelers, with Kenny Pickett, have 34 more points on the year. No one else is within 50. This is an offense averaging less than 10 points a game on a net basis. All of those other teams have horrible quarterbacks and are still scoring 2-5 more points a game. We are uniquely bad across the board.
Yeah babe. Did you read his posts? Your reading comprehension fucking sucks.
His point wasn't to replace Mac with another QB who also sucks.
It was, if Mac was an actual good QB like the Patriots were counting on, they'd be in playoff contention.
No this is wrong. I love SJH, but he puts this unequivocally on Mac about 100x in each thread.
Yes cupcake I’ve read all of his posts in here. He’s got a hardon for Mac and has called for Zappe repeatedly this season. Zappe was garbage but he also didn’t make Parker and Thornton drop balls and the tackles to play like turnstiles.
You did not address the point.
If the Pats beat those 5 teams which they do with average QB play are we calling for BB's head?
Beyond people claiming that other offensives are not trying hard since we suck, if this team is 7-5 are you calling for BB's head? Because Derek Carr would have them there.
Yeah man, who else was he going to call for?
If you can't win because your starter is killing you, you try the backup. That's kinda how it works.
I'm sure he would've called for Mahomes instead of Zappe, but Mahomes isn't currently available to play for New England.
They aren’t beating those 5 teams because Thornton is still dropping deep balls through his hands and the tackles are still getting beat around the edges and JuJu is getting paid 500k a catch. The problem isn’t just at one end of the throw.
The idea that this team is one position away from contention is pretty fucking far from good critical thought. It's one of the worst takes going in this thread.
Okay, so you think they lose with average QB play. Thanks for the answer, we disagree.
Right but no Mac today and even when Zappe was trying to make a few plays here and there he got let down by his receivers or o-line. Therefore one could make the argument that it’s not all the QBs problem. That’s all I’m saying here, sweet cheeks.
Like, their receivers had chances to make big plays today on good throws from Zappe. They didn’t. They are atrocious across the board and need at least 8 new offensive starters, probably closer to 10.
.Mac has been the starter every game but today, so of course his ire has been directed at Mac. But I’ve also seen him post that with even average QB play, this team would be in the WC hunt. Maybe I’ve misread him, but I don’t think he’s been a big Zappe advocate. And I largely agree with him. But this team has none on the roster. Which is on BB and his roster construction, of course. But combine this defense with any kind of QB play, and they likely have 4-5 more wins.
Well the idea that its all on the coach when we have two decades of data that the coach knows a thing or two about NFL football and we had a roster/cap situation that was essentially at the end of the cycle isn't very critical thinking either.
I’d keep Henry for sure. I’d be fine keeping Onwenu and Rhamondre. I’m not sure anyone else is worth salvaging but I’m open to hearing arguments.
Edit: if healthy I’d keep Bourne and Douglas too. So make it 6-8 guys if they’re healthy, but an ACL and two concussions doesn’t feel great.
So explain to me how the sacks and drops are Zappe’s fault. Mac is terrible make no mistake, but he’s not the only issue as we learned today.
You could make that argument, sweet cheeks.
Who said you couldn't?
I think you'd probably be wrong, I think the QB play is letting down the team rather than the other way around, but what do I know
Maybe Mac and Zappe are really good QBs, they're just hiding it really, really well.
If they play a 3-WR offense, here's who I'd keep from this year's squad moving forward (forget the contract situation, I'm just talking about the PLAYER):
RB Rhamondre
WR Douglas
TE Henry (I'd love an upgrade but that's the least of their concerns on offense)
G Strange
T Onwenu
So that's five guys I'd keep (six if I include Zeke because he's been a pretty competent backup). I want 3/5 of a new OL, two starting caliber WRs (including a true #1 WR), and obviously a new QB. Big overhaul of course, but there's some guys on the current offense that are solid.
Lost in this argument is that BB seemingly can't find this mythical average QB to win those extra 4-5 games. SJH stated that Andy Dalton would have this team in playoff contention - I'm pretty sure he could be had for a reasonable price, but he isn't here. And the decision to put Patricia and Judge in charge of the offense cost them a year of evaluation of the QB room and caused them to roll with it again just to see if a new OC would make a difference.
The current state of this team, and the offense in particular, is the result of a long list of poor decisions that ultimately got us here. It is not even close to as simple as "if only we had an average QB we'd be fine."
No Mac and Zappe are hot garbage. But so is the rest of the offense. That’s where we part ways because you can watch the drops and the constant pressure given up by the o-line and still think it’s all QB play. Sky blue in your world, sweetie pie?
I just can't believe we're having "seeeeee? It wasn't all on Mac" discourse after this shit show. Yeah, if Mac Jones is replaced by similarly trash QB, the offense will keep being trash. Incredible how it works.
Don't think anyone is arguing they are one position away from contention. I think a lot of people are arguing they are one position, the QB position a fairly important one, away from being in position to make the playoffs.
Those are very different things.
Your comprehension is one of the worst things going in this thread.
I think you are harsh on the O-line a bit, but yeah. I also think one good draft fixes a lot of those holes and this team is good again next year. And that is why I give BB one more shot. Others don't trust his drafting, which I get, but I still believe.
For the record I was just busting SJH’s chops with my initial post. But I do enjoy all the cognitive dissonance of people here who can watch this team and think the QB play is the only issue with the offensive roster.
It's not the only issue, but it's by far the biggest issue due to the little known fact that the position disproportionately impacts offensive production by orders of magnitude over all others.
No dipshit, because you see if you have good QB play, and below average offensive play around him with the drops and constant pressure, along with the really good defense they have, that probably adds up to around an average-ish team in contention for a playoff spot.
Subtract the good QB play and replace it with ghoulish QB play, you get this.
Sorry the sky is always at your feet babe.
The team isn't winning anything with a backup QB. It was always ride-or-die with Mac.
The point that an average QB has them in the playoff race is to point out that people calling for BB's head are taking part in a witch hunt.
The point is, the one thing no one can blame BB for is drafting Mac or sticking with him in year 3.
So if an average QB has them in the playoff race, let's slow down on burning the coach at the proverbial stake
It's not all QB, but arguing that the running game is bad as a case for QB is ignoring that every defense loads up on the run and pressure. An average QB probably gets you a lot fewer 10 man boxes
How do you manage good QB play when your line can’t protect the QB and the receivers either can’t get open consistently and drop balls in their hands? Sore a better QB would lead to better results but there are glaring issues all over the offensive side of the ball. And fuck you for the dipshit comment you assclown. I tried to keep it light and joking here but fuck that now.
No one is saying the only issue on offense.
People are saying let's not run the best coach in the history of the game out of town because of bad QB play.
I'd probably be fine running back the entire OL if Trent was cheap enough.
I think Trent has been really good when healthy, Andrews has been good when not dealing with the guard trash fire the first month, and Sow has been developing pretty well.
I doubt they'll re-sign both Trent/Onwenu, but I don't think that 5 when healthy is a major issue.
To be clear, it’s not an elite offensive roster, of course. Not close to one. The argument has been would competent quarterback play have led to a few more wins, which would have them in WC contention, at least on paper, and made them much more watchable. I think it would have. I don’t, for a minute, think this team would’ve ever been a legit Super Bowl/deep playoff run contender as constructed.
Hows that working out for the chargers this year, who have much better weapons on offense btw.
Right. The lack of talent at skill positions on offense absolutely puts a cap on how productive they could be on that side of the ball, even with very good QB play. But they don't make it so this current outcome was inevitable.
Bailey Zappe is just as terrible as Mac Jones is. The fact that the offense is just as bad with either QB doesn't imply ipso facto that the rest of the offense sucks, too.
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Yes, you've definitely tried to keep it light.
Your first reply to me included the sure sign of the pompous ahole, "Did you even watch the game?"
Very light.
Sure if we’re playing the hypothetical game how do we know that better QB play wouldn’t expose more issues with receivers?
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