The Pats Injury Watch: Collins & Jones

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They've dealt with a lot this year, for sure, and hearing that Gronk was in the hospital is rough. They have a tough opponent. Even if they get past that opponent, they still likely have to win in their personal house of horrors and even if they get past that, three of the four teams in the other conference seem to be more complete at the moment. They haven't played that well in a month. The deflategate shit is still not over, and they are potentially looking at starting next year with Brady a year older and perhaps without him for four games, and without two good draft picks. There's plenty for a pessimist (raises hand) to chew on. But, it's the fucking Patriots here. They are playing at home. They have Brady and Belichick and the other guys don't. And even if it does all go to shit, Malcolm Butler still made the pick.
 
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What do you treat at the hospital that you can't get from the trainer at Gilette? Assuming we're in the non-invasive catagory.
 

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What do you treat at the hospital that you can't get from the trainer at Gilette? Assuming we're in the non-invasive catagory.
I honestly don't know - that training room has every type of ultrasound, stim, etc. The only thing I can think of is an in-office scope -

http://www.visionscope-tech.com/

It's basically a fiberoptic camera in a flexible needle - Pedroia had one a couple years ago in-season after he banged his knee just to be sure he didn't do anything bad that wasn't showing up on an MRI. It's basically just a diagnostic tool - if you see something you can't do anything about it. It's kind of fucking dumb, given that you have to do an actual knee scope after to actually treat anything, but whatever. If he had one of those he could play Saturday.

I don't really think that's what he got, but it's one of the few things I can even think of. And I'm, you know, fucking smart and shit.
 

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What did the dude in Apollo 13 say? "With all due respect sir, I think this is going to be our finest hour"

I think we see a much different team come Saturday at 430. This is not the team that got waxed on Monday night last year. And is not the team we saw 2-3 weeks ago. KC does not know what they are in for.
 

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I honestly don't know - that training room has every type of ultrasound, stim, etc. The only thing I can think of is an in-office scope -

http://www.visionscope-tech.com/

It's basically a fiberoptic camera in a flexible needle - Pedroia had one a couple years ago in-season after he banged his knee just to be sure he didn't do anything bad that wasn't showing up on an MRI. It's basically just a diagnostic tool - if you see something you can't do anything about it. It's kind of fucking dumb, given that you have to do an actual knee scope after to actually treat anything, but whatever. If he had one of those he could play Saturday.

I don't really think that's what he got, but it's one of the few things I can even think of. And I'm, you know, fucking smart and shit.

Good enough for me.
 

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He's had back issues ever since college and has had to manage them ever since. Not that surprising to me.

One thing he could've gone to the hospital for is a PRP treatment. I would think that'd be available in their athletic training room, but I've never been in there.
 

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Or maybe he wanted a second opinion/his own doctor to do the injection or treatment. He has had past issues with the Pats and returning from injury before, so it would not surprise me if he wanted to do things with his own people.
 

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Thinking about this, how could he have hurt his back since the injury report today, when he spent time at the hospital? Belichick has to be trolling. He and Reid and probably having fun.
 

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Ok, here's a possibility - Rapoport's source said Gronk did not get "any knee injections". Notice he said knee. I bet he got a fucking injection into his back - you can't do that at the training room.

That's fucking delightful
 

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Ok, here's a possibility - Rapoport's source said Gronk did not get "any knee injections". Notice he said knee. I bet he got a fucking injection into his back - you can't do that at the training room.

That's fucking delightful
More conflicting sources

“@jeffphowe: Gronk did indeed have a pain injection in the knee today, per source. @AdamSchefter and @MikeReiss had it first.”

“@BenVolin: I’m told that it’s the back injury that kept Gronk out of Tuesday’s practice, not his knee”
 

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While we're all losing our collective minds over the fact that Gronk is soon to be more machine than man, I saw on PFT that Edelman has been limited the last two days. Is that something we should be concerned about?
 

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Watching him on the field in games, I think the back has been bothering him for weeks now.
Absolutely. I was at the Titans game and my wife texted me and said it looked like Gronk was moving even more stiffly than usual - I watched him on the sidelines and he couldn't seem to get comfortable. He stood almost the whole game, like he didn't want to sit on the bench in case his back got tight.

Which certainly calls into question the whole "flying to Florida" thing this past weekend, but whatever...
 

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Tweets about supposed injections. So-and-so's wife's sister's cousin said he didn't participate in every drill. Convenience store interviews.

All this shit is exactly like what's happening in-game: Freeze-frames... splitting split hairs... extraneous data points... no context... what is is? Guess what, life doesn't work that way. I'll tell you what's going to happen, <insert name> is going to wake up, get dressed, run around and play football until he can't run around and play football. Got it? Good.

and GET OFF MY FUCKING LAWN
 

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While we're all losing our collective minds over the fact that Gronk is soon to be more machine than man, I saw on PFT that Edelman has been limited the last two days. Is that something we should be concerned about?
What do you think? Health was a black box, but we're getting a peek as we approach the game.

We're certainly not alone -- hi pittsburgh -- but it could be better and maybe much better.
 

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Absolutely. I was at the Titans game and my wife texted me and said it looked like Gronk was moving even more stiffly than usual - I watched him on the sidelines and he couldn't seem to get comfortable. He stood almost the whole game, like he didn't want to sit on the bench in case his back got tight.

Which certainly calls into question the whole "flying to Florida" thing this past weekend, but whatever...
Well, regarding flying, it isn't like he was going to be squished between a fat guy and a screaming infant in the middle seat of an American Airlines red eye. ..,
 

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A star defensive player OD'ing during the bye weekend and wandering shirtless into the Foxboro police station. The star WR receiving mysterious medical treatments amidst speculation about his trip to Florida. The coach showing up with a shiner. None of this changes the fact that we have Belichick patrolling the sideline and Brady under center, but this may be the closest we've seen to the Schaefer Stadium clownshow in the Bob Kraft era.
 

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Gronk isn't a WR, but don't let that get in the way of a good rant.

This probably belongs in the Chandler thread, but here's the thing: we are spoiled. Not just in that the Patriots are the modern day football equivalent of the 1980s Boston Celtics -- but in that the Patriots have a fraction of the bullshit that goes with every other team in the league. As Aaron Hernandez likes to remind us, they aren't immune. The Pats have 53 guys on their teams that come from the same backgrounds as 31 other teams -- with all the same baggage and issues handling pressure that any other overpaid athlete has. They just tend to handle it better -- probably because of a combination of Belichick and the culture he's built in the locker room and the standards the Krafts expect from the team.

All of which is to say, this isn't some clownshow -- it's a football team in today's NFL. And while we like to imagine they are inhuman robots, every now and then we are reminded that they aren't. They play badly sometimes, they make mistakes, and they get injured. All of which will make it unsurprising if they bow out early this time -- but that much sweeter if they win it all.
 

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Gronk isn't a WR, but don't let that get in the way of a good rant.

This probably belongs in the Chandler thread, but here's the thing: we are spoiled. Not just in that the Patriots are the modern day football equivalent of the 1980s Boston Celtics -- but in that the Patriots have a fraction of the bullshit that goes with every other team in the league. As Aaron Hernandez likes to remind us, they aren't immune. The Pats have 53 guys on their teams that come from the same backgrounds as 31 other teams -- with all the same baggage and issues handling pressure that any other overpaid athlete has. They just tend to handle it better -- probably because of a combination of Belichick and the culture he's built in the locker room and the standards the Krafts expect from the team.

All of which is to say, this isn't some clownshow -- it's a football team in today's NFL. And while we like to imagine they are inhuman robots, every now and then we are reminded that they aren't. They play badly sometimes, they make mistakes, and they get injured. All of which will make it unsurprising if they bow out early this time -- but that much sweeter if they win it all.
I wonder if that's true. I haven't done a study but anecdotally I'm not sure that's true--an awful lot of NFL players come from a variety of bad home situations (single families living on public assistance, absent parents, foster homes, etc.) but it's hard to think of an important Patriots player with that kind of background. I'm there have been some (I understand that Butler lived in a housing project with his single mother, for example) but when you read things like the Mike Reiss profiles on how players got started there are a lot of stable two parent families with two strict, hardworking parents pushing the kids.
 

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A star defensive player OD'ing during the bye weekend and wandering shirtless into the Foxboro police station. The star WR receiving mysterious medical treatments amidst speculation about his trip to Florida. The coach showing up with a shiner. None of this changes the fact that we have Belichick patrolling the sideline and Brady under center, but this may be the closest we've seen to the Schaefer Stadium clownshow in the Bob Kraft era.
Not the coach, but this one resulted in a shiner:
 

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I wonder if that's true. I haven't done a study but anecdotally I'm not sure that's true--an awful lot of NFL players come from a variety of bad home situations (single families living on public assistance, absent parents, foster homes, etc.) but it's hard to think of an important Patriots player with that kind of background. I'm there have been some (I understand that Butler lived in a housing project with his single mother, for example) but when you read things like the Mike Reiss profiles on how players got started there are a lot of stable two parent families with two strict, hardworking parents pushing the kids.
It's definitely true. Gronk is not a WR.
 

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Gronk isn't a WR, but don't let that get in the way of a good rant.

This probably belongs in the Chandler thread, but here's the thing: we are spoiled. Not just in that the Patriots are the modern day football equivalent of the 1980s Boston Celtics -- but in that the Patriots have a fraction of the bullshit that goes with every other team in the league. As Aaron Hernandez likes to remind us, they aren't immune. The Pats have 53 guys on their teams that come from the same backgrounds as 31 other teams -- with all the same baggage and issues handling pressure that any other overpaid athlete has. They just tend to handle it better -- probably because of a combination of Belichick and the culture he's built in the locker room and the standards the Krafts expect from the team.

All of which is to say, this isn't some clownshow -- it's a football team in today's NFL. And while we like to imagine they are inhuman robots, every now and then we are reminded that they aren't. They play badly sometimes, they make mistakes, and they get injured. All of which will make it unsurprising if they bow out early this time -- but that much sweeter if they win it all.
Yeah... so Aaron Hernandez is a big enough shitshow to disqualify the Pats from the "we don't have the same drama as other teams" title for a decade or so.
 

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Come on people. We have all seen PATS Superbowls with Gronk being essentially a decoy because of injuries, an ineffective Welker/Edelman, a porous offensive line that allows the passrush up the gut, making Brady's timing off and off target. And we have seen those results. So there is cause for concern.

Yeah, I know....any given Sunday.