The Michael McCorkle "Mac" Jones Thread

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If he can average a 126.7 rating over 11 games, not only will he have a job next year, they'll start talking about him as one of the 3-4 best QB's in the league.


Tom Brady has only had 4 games in an entire season with a QB rating higher than 126.7 twice in his career (2007 and 2010). In his last 5 seasons in the NFL, I think he had a grand total of 7 games with a rating that high.

If Mac averages a 126.7 for 11 games in a 17 game season, we can start talking about Canton. It's nice to have good aspirations, but there is a reality here too.
I'll amend it to saying that if plays like he did today for the rest of the season, he'll probably have a starting job next year.

If he averages a 126.7 rating over his final 11 games, his QB rating for the season will be in the neighborhood of 108.2. That's very good, but no one would be talking about him being one of the 3-4 best QBs in the league. His performance over the first 3rd of the year was that bad, and even if he closes the season on a HOF clip, no one will be talking about how he's one of the best.
 

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I'll amend it to saying that if plays like he did today for the rest of the season, he'll probably have a starting job next year.

If he averages a 126.7 rating over his final 11 games, his QB rating for the season will be in the neighborhood of 108.2. That's very good, but no one would be talking about him being one of the 3-4 best QBs in the league. His performance over the first 3rd of the year was that bad, and even if he closes the season on a HOF clip, no one will be talking about how he's one of the best.
Tua led the NFL with a passer rating of 105.5 last season. Mahomes was 2nd with 105.2.

If Mac Jones finishes the season with 108.2 with this team around him, it would be one of the best seasons a quarterback has had in NFL history.
 

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Mac Jones over his last six quarters:

- 41-for-49 375 yards 2 TDs 0 INTs
Th good of that is the 0 INT and the ridiculous completion percentage. The bad... 9.1 YPC is pretty bad, would have been last in the NFL last year among qualifiers.

Still, this is good Mac, I don't know if it's a guy you give a big 2nd deal to, but this is what they hoped they had in him coming out, manage the game, make the throws that are schemed up, don't turn it over, chip away.
 

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The thing about today relative to whatever comps...that was not a game a bad QB is capable of having. Given the opponent and the stakes, a bad QB simply can't do that. A bad QB can have a random 3 TD game and win in an upset with the other team turning the ball over and playing poorly. This was way different - a tough, tough game winning drive when nobody thought it could happen and with marginal players around him.

Not sure what that means going forward, but it's really interesting. The Pats need to do every they can to focus on making that happen again.
 

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They aren't everything, but Mac had a QB rating of 126.7 and a QBR of 77.9. The only QBs to beat him in either category this week were Mahomes, Jackson and Lawrence. It was a good game against a really good defense (Bills came into today ranked 3rd in points allowed and 5th in yards allowed). If he can average this for the next 10 games, maybe he'll still have a job next year.
Buffalo’s missing Milano, Oliver, and White, among others. They’re not the same defense they were even two weeks ago. It was a good game against a hobbled defense.
 

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Mac had a good game. I was honestly super happy for him. You hate seeing a kid get kicked around the way he has for as long as he has.

…and then he low-key blamed his OL for all of his previous troubles in the presser after the game, and made me hate him again.
 

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This is the kind of stuff that drives me crazy. Mac had 272 yards passing - a number that projects to 4,624 over a 17 game season. So…. It’s a really good number of passing yards in a single game.

They got spread out among 8 receivers, and when that happens, some of the guys aren’t going to put up good stats. But the offense was very good today against a terrific defense. Isn’t that what we WANT? I don’t care WHO gets the stats as long as the offense does well. If he had a huge day, someone else wouldn’t have contributed much.

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I've been terribly down on Mac and one game really doesn't change the larger picture but he was excellent today. He looked so much more confident and decisive and by and large he was accurate as well. He did have the fumble and the boneheaded pass that was nearly picked but I can't criticize him at all today, he got another chance to lead a GW drive and he FINALLY came through.

The change in the OL setup undoubtedly made a huge difference in his comfort level.
 

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Mac had a good game. I was honestly super happy for him. You hate seeing a kid get kicked around the way he has for as long as he has.

…and then he low-key blamed his OL for all of his previous troubles in the presser after the game, and made me hate him again.
Do you have the quote handy? I haven't seen it. Thank you in advance.
 

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Do you have the quote handy? I haven't seen it. Thank you in advance.
Can to provide the quote?
On the postgame show they mentioned him saying something about doing well when he has time to throw. But it was Joe Murray relaying that so who knows if it was at all accurate.

Regardless, today is a day to celebrate Mac.
People go overboard on saying how much they dislike him, IMHO.
 

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Here are the horrible, horrible quotes:

“The offensive line gave me the time I needed today," Jones said in his postgame press conference. "When I have time I can go and read the offense how we’re supposed to, and I really appreciate those guys."

Jones later added: "The offensive line's play today was what really stood out to me. They made everything work -- run game, passing game. I had a couple plays where I dropped my eyes, and that's not on them, it's on me."

https://sports.yahoo.com/mac-jones-highlights-one-specific-214258227.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALMJqzkTzLpJ0nzoN71lYKH2aeGG2I3ok9ypsoizQNmTDLIKu2DPUNNvfxkIGMVD0Zlt3JWs5eJndUnHPRdGcgqll9dGgosfNyfM6AsowuOaefA8GVywUapEmdWHI0WFuJaPDY356jDhVE2I_bHWZ5E2IBGjcDX0beEIMsQ6oiVK
 

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Here are the horrible, horrible quotes:

“The offensive line gave me the time I needed today," Jones said in his postgame press conference. "When I have time I can go and read the offense how we’re supposed to, and I really appreciate those guys."

Jones later added: "The offensive line's play today was what really stood out to me. They made everything work -- run game, passing game. I had a couple plays where I dropped my eyes, and that's not on them, it's on me."


https://sports.yahoo.com/mac-jones-highlights-one-specific-214258227.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALMJqzkTzLpJ0nzoN71lYKH2aeGG2I3ok9ypsoizQNmTDLIKu2DPUNNvfxkIGMVD0Zlt3JWs5eJndUnHPRdGcgqll9dGgosfNyfM6AsowuOaefA8GVywUapEmdWHI0WFuJaPDY356jDhVE2I_bHWZ5E2IBGjcDX0beEIMsQ6oiVK
Yeah, those are fine. I suspect some folks aren't being honest with themselves about how much hate they have for Mac Jones.

His crime? Simply not being a very good NFL QB.
 

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Here are the horrible, horrible quotes:

“The offensive line gave me the time I needed today," Jones said in his postgame press conference. "When I have time I can go and read the offense how we’re supposed to, and I really appreciate those guys."

Jones later added: "The offensive line's play today was what really stood out to me. They made everything work -- run game, passing game. I had a couple plays where I dropped my eyes, and that's not on them, it's on me."

https://sports.yahoo.com/mac-jones-highlights-one-specific-214258227.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALMJqzkTzLpJ0nzoN71lYKH2aeGG2I3ok9ypsoizQNmTDLIKu2DPUNNvfxkIGMVD0Zlt3JWs5eJndUnHPRdGcgqll9dGgosfNyfM6AsowuOaefA8GVywUapEmdWHI0WFuJaPDY356jDhVE2I_bHWZ5E2IBGjcDX0beEIMsQ6oiVK
Why say this?

“The offensive line gave me the time I needed today," Jones said in his postgame press conference. "When I have time I can go and read the offense how we’re supposed to, and I really appreciate those guys."

He’s blaming his struggles in past games on the OL not giving him time to “read the offense how [he’s] supposed to.” He didn’t need to say that - but he did. He literally could say “everyone did their jobs today.” Or he could say nothing at all about the OL. But he singled them out knowing damn well there’s a contingent of “Patriots Nation” that blames his awful play on the OL and not on Mac himself.

It was a CYA type of comment and probably why there have been reports suggesting he doesn’t have much support on the team.
 

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Why say this?

“The offensive line gave me the time I needed today," Jones said in his postgame press conference. "When I have time I can go and read the offense how we’re supposed to, and I really appreciate those guys."

He’s blaming his struggles in past games on the OL not giving him time to “read the offense how [he’s] supposed to.” He didn’t need to say that - but he did. He literally could say “everyone did their jobs today.” Or he could say nothing at all about the OL. But he singled them out knowing damn well there’s a contingent of “Patriots Nation” that blames his awful play on the OL and not on Mac himself.

It was a CYA type of comment and probably why there have been reports suggesting he doesn’t have much support on the team.
You're trying to hard to find fault
 

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Why say this?

“The offensive line gave me the time I needed today," Jones said in his postgame press conference. "When I have time I can go and read the offense how we’re supposed to, and I really appreciate those guys."

He’s blaming his struggles in past games on the OL not giving him time to “read the offense how [he’s] supposed to.” He didn’t need to say that - but he did. He literally could say “everyone did their jobs today.” Or he could say nothing at all about the OL. But he singled them out knowing damn well there’s a contingent of “Patriots Nation” that blames his awful play on the OL and not on Mac himself.

It was a CYA type of comment and probably why there have been reports suggesting he doesn’t have much support on the team.
Meh. Mac has been very accountable. He’s always taken the blame for his bad play.
 

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Here are the horrible, horrible quotes:

“The offensive line gave me the time I needed today," Jones said in his postgame press conference. "When I have time I can go and read the offense how we’re supposed to, and I really appreciate those guys."

Jones later added: "The offensive line's play today was what really stood out to me. They made everything work -- run game, passing game. I had a couple plays where I dropped my eyes, and that's not on them, it's on me."

https://sports.yahoo.com/mac-jones-highlights-one-specific-214258227.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALMJqzkTzLpJ0nzoN71lYKH2aeGG2I3ok9ypsoizQNmTDLIKu2DPUNNvfxkIGMVD0Zlt3JWs5eJndUnHPRdGcgqll9dGgosfNyfM6AsowuOaefA8GVywUapEmdWHI0WFuJaPDY356jDhVE2I_bHWZ5E2IBGjcDX0beEIMsQ6oiVK
The bastard
 

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You're trying to hard to find fault
Unlike yesterday, I had a great day at work today.

It’s because today everyone else on my team did their jobs, which allowed me to do mine.

In any other context outside of fandom those comments come from someone that’s being a total jackass.

But I’ll let it go.
 

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Unlike yesterday, I had a great day at work today.

It’s because today everyone else on my team did their jobs, which allowed me to do mine.

In any other context outside of fandom those comments come from someone that’s being a total jackass.

But I’ll let it go.
“And I really appreciate those guys” seems to be an important part of the quote you’re savaging.
 

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So if you don't have much support on this thread, are you going to CYA by declaring this forum full of OL-Truthers?
No I will say I usually make better posts but because you all have awful opinions on this matter my posts have been dragged down as a result. ;-)
 

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Why say this?

“The offensive line gave me the time I needed today," Jones said in his postgame press conference. "When I have time I can go and read the offense how we’re supposed to, and I really appreciate those guys."

He’s blaming his struggles in past games on the OL not giving him time to “read the offense how [he’s] supposed to.” He didn’t need to say that - but he did. He literally could say “everyone did their jobs today.” Or he could say nothing at all about the OL. But he singled them out knowing damn well there’s a contingent of “Patriots Nation” that blames his awful play on the OL and not on Mac himself.

It was a CYA type of comment and probably why there have been reports suggesting he doesn’t have much support on the team.
He singled them out because they were great today. Can you find a QB that would come out of a huge win where he was only sacked once with very little other pressure and not say the O line did a great job?

Also because I'm guessing, without having seen the PC, that he was asked a question about how the O line performed or what was different today.
 

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Now that we have 60 more minutes of tape, time to project the entire arc of Mac’s career again!
We're going to need a bigger web service provider.

And let's be blunt here. Mac Jones is so bad at QBing that even his compliments land at the feet of his targets.
 

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The thing about today relative to whatever comps...that was not a game a bad QB is capable of having. Given the opponent and the stakes, a bad QB simply can't do that. A bad QB can have a random 3 TD game and win in an upset with the other team turning the ball over and playing poorly. This was way different - a tough, tough game winning drive when nobody thought it could happen and with marginal players around him.

Not sure what that means going forward, but it's really interesting. The Pats need to do every they can to focus on making that happen again.
This is wild self delusion my man.... tons of terrible QBs, far worse than Mac Jones have had great games in much bigger and tougher situations. Nick Foles is garbage, he rode a hot streak to a SB MVP. Even the worst NFL QBs can have good games or even stretches, just as even all-time greats can have just disasters.
 

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This is wild self delusion my man.... tons of terrible QBs, far worse than Mac Jones have had great games in much bigger and tougher situations. Nick Foles is garbage, he rode a hot streak to a SB MVP. Even the worst NFL QBs can have good games or even stretches, just as even all-time greats can have just disasters.
I’d take a Folesian hot streak and a SB MVP for Mac and the Patriots right about now... I wonder how many of us would be calling him garbage if that happened?
 

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I think Mac's quote was intending to praise the OL, which is exactly what he should have done. If he had a PR agency to draft it for him, he would have reworded "When I have time I can go and read the offense how we’re supposed to, and I really appreciate those guys" a little bit, but honestly, even as it reads - I think it's perfectly fine. Nobody says the exact perfect thing all the time.

It was a great, entertaining game leading to a Pats win. Something we haven't seen in awhile. I'm still a little bit conflicted out of fear that that this win ends us costing us the #1 pick in the draft. But, for one day, it was fun.
 

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If you are going to criticize Mac for an inability to make plays with the game on the line (as I have done many times in the past), I think you have to credit him when he... steps up and makes the plays with the game on the line. At some level a QB has to make the plays and get a win and cannot blame all of the failures on other things going wrong. And today Mac made those plays where he never had before.

I'd like to point out a couple of things in that last drive.
  • The big play, the 34 yard pass to Stevenson to open the drive, was a short pass where Mac did what he had to but it was more Mac executing than Mac making a great throw.
  • Mac's great play on this drive came on 3rd and 8 from the Buffalo 39, with the Pats outside FG range. On that play Mac stands in, takes the hit, but gets the ball to Henry for a 14 yard completion getting the first down and getting the team well within FG range. Without that play we are talking about 4th and long outside of FG range.
  • The TD to Gesicki was also a nice throw
  • The Pats were down by 3, so once the pass to Henry was hit they had the FG+OT option. It is actually what I was expecting to happen. But they and Mac got the TD anyway.
 

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If you are going to criticize Mac for an inability to make plays with the game on the line (as I have done many times in the past), I think you have to credit him when he... steps up and makes the plays with the game on the line. At some level a QB has to make the plays and get a win and cannot blame all of the failures on other things going wrong. And today Mac made those plays where he never had before.

I'd like to point out a couple of things in that last drive.
  • The big play, the 34 yard pass to Stevenson to open the drive, was a short pass where Mac did what he had to but it was more Mac executing than Mac making a great throw.
  • Mac's great play on this drive came on 3rd and 8 from the Buffalo 39, with the Pats outside FG range. On that play Mac stands in, takes the hit, but gets the ball to Henry for a 14 yard completion getting the first down and getting the team well within FG range. Without that play we are talking about 4th and long outside of FG range.
  • The TD to Gesicki was also a nice throw
  • The Pats were down by 3, so once the pass to Henry was hit they had the FG+OT option. It is actually what I was expecting to happen. But they and Mac got the TD anyway.
I am just happy Mac kept his composure throughout the game and the final drive for the most part. They did a lot to play him like first year Mac from what I could tell, but he also made some throws he has not even been attempting regularly in a long time. He generally put the ball out quick and reasonably accurate (I can think of one bad screen, the terrible ball that was almost int, and the play before the touchdown where he threw too late for a open receiver. Thats about it for bad throws/decisions for the game. There were also some really nice throws in there too. I still do not think he is the guy long term, but he made some plays yesterday that you would expect and NFL quarterback to make and he strung them together like a good NFL QB playing an efficient and strong game. It is fair to ask where that has been since the near end of his rookie year, but at the same time he deserves a lot of credit for yesterday.

This team wont be in the running for a top 5 pick. That has been true all year long.
 

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Th good of that is the 0 INT and the ridiculous completion percentage. The bad... 9.1 YPC is pretty bad, would have been last in the NFL last year among qualifiers.

Still, this is good Mac, I don't know if it's a guy you give a big 2nd deal to, but this is what they hoped they had in him coming out, manage the game, make the throws that are schemed up, don't turn it over, chip away.
Mac was 9.1 yards per attempt, not yards per completion. 9.1 yards per attempt is excellent. The yards per completion (10.9) was only about average, but paired with a great completion percentage, only one sack, and zero turnovers, that's a great day at the office.
 

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Just deciding to actually throw that pass to Brown* over the defender's head was an indication of either confidence that had been lacking or having been taken to the woodshed.

*If Mr. Brown has a fan club, it must be Pharaoh's Army.
 

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Just deciding to actually throw that pass to Brown* over the defender's head was an indication of either confidence that had been lacking or having been taken to the woodshed.

*If Mr. Brown has a fan club, it must be Pharaoh's Army.
Is Pharaoh Brown a legit find?

He came in to this season with 51 catches for 478 yards and 2 TDs in 55 NFL games.

In 7 games with the Pats, often with little playing time, he's been targeted 5 times and has 5 catched for 137 yards. He has catches of 58, 26, 25, 15, and 13 yards and had another 20+ yard catch called becak because of an innocuous penalty.

I'm not suggesting he's a great player or anything, but in the history of the NFL or even just the history of BB's Pats, there have been a lot of blocing tight ends. Very few of those guys haul in multiple catches of 20+ yards. He seems to have decent hands and seems to know what to do with the ball once he catches it.
 

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I will say off the top that I think this was Mac's best game as a Patriot. He's right that the OL gave him more time. The offensive gameplan also worked really well, scheming players open with motion. Everything about the offense worked better, and Mac was the biggest part of that.

But for the Mac truthers in here, I think it's worth not burying some of the bad plays he made in this game. There's the tipped ball that's been discussed, but I think the worst play was the fumble, because that was all on him.

On 3rd and 3 with 11:45 or so left in the game, Pats are up 16-10 at the Bills 32. They're in long field goal range if he doesn't take a sack. Mac is in the gun again (already not a good sign). He motions Zeke into the backfield and takes the snap. He has good time to throw - about 4 seconds before a Bills player is on him. He pats the ball twice... then tries to run... directly into the Trent Brown's butt. A defender catches him from behind and he fumbles. Onwenu falls on the ball to recover it. The whole play is wiped from the playbooks and our memory by an unnecessary illegal contact downfield on Pop, who was never a part of Mac's reads from what I can tell. It looked to me like he was staring down Bourne who the Bills put a player underneath at the sticks and he never came open.

Anyone with YTTV or DVR or whatever can go back and watch it. It's exactly the kind of disaster play that blew the team up against NO and LV. We're in field goal range in the fourth quarter with the chance to take the lead and Mac holds the ball too long, displays bad pocket awareness, panics, and takes a sack... and makes it even worse by trying to do too much and fumbling. Except our guy fell on the ball, and further it was wiped out by a bail out penalty. All the same behaviors we've been calling out in this thread, but deleted from the stat sheet and our brains.

Mac was getting those types of mistakes punished to the absolute maximum in the recent few games. Bad throws weren't just being batted down or falling incomplete... they were being intercepted, and returned for touchdowns. Not every one of those mistakes is supposed to bite you - most should get forgotten. Today, his few (I counted 2) interceptable balls were dropped by defenders, and his fumble was recovered and then wiped out. If that fumble is recovered by the Bills, and the Pats don't continue that drive for a TD, we're sitting here making Mark Sanchez jokes. That wouldn't have been fair, given the rest of the game he played. But that's how narrowly perception turns for QBs sometimes. He was getting too much blame after the recent losses, and he'll get too much credit after today's win.

All that being said, he did a lot of things better today, and had fewer of those potential mistakes to be converted than in recent weeks. He ran the offense well. If the guy that played today showed up every week, I'll have a lot more fun watching this team.
 
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  • The TD to Gesicki was also a nice throw
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He generally put the ball out quick and reasonably accurate (I can think of one bad screen, the terrible ball that was almost int, and the play before the touchdown where he threw too late for a open receiver.
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I was at the game and havent rewatched it yet, but it looked to me that after he missed Douglas in the end zone, they came back and ran the same play with Gesicki, who had a significant size advantage over the guy covering him, making it an easier throw for Mac. Maybe they check out of that play if Buffalo isnt in the same coverage, but they were, and the Pats took advantage. That's good coaching/game planning. Maybe some other things like on the coaching front have gone missed because of the overall suck these last few weeks, but I haven't seen too many plays like that. That is putting a guy (a couple of guys actually) in position to make a play that they are fully capable of making, and not asking them to do something that isnt realistic.

I thought the playcalling was good. I liked those runs up the middle to open up the game. They seemed to really focus on getting first downs and keeping drives going (that QB sneak near the end of the first half in particular, to just get the 1st and kill the half). I thought BoB was a real plus yesterday.

Just deciding to actually throw that pass to Brown* over the defender's head was an indication of either confidence that had been lacking or having been taken to the woodshed.

*If Mr. Brown has a fan club, it must be Pharaoh's Army.
As long as we can refer to him individually as "Bad, Bad, Pharoah Brown, Baddest Man in the Whole Damn Town."
 

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On 3rd and 3 with 11:45 or so left in the game, Pats are up 16-10 at the Bills 32. They're in long field goal range if he doesn't take a sack. Mac is in the gun again (already not a good sign). He motions Zeke into the backfield and takes the snap. He has good time to throw - about 4 seconds before a Bills player is on him. He pats the ball twice... then tries to run... directly into the LT's butt. A defender catches him from behind and he fumbles. Onwenu falls on the ball to recover it. The whole play is wiped from the playbooks and our memory by an unnecessary illegal contact downfield on Pop, who was never a part of Mac's reads from what I can tell. It looked to me like he was staring down Bourne who the Bills put a player underneath at the sticks and he never came open.
That was a horrible looking play by Mac. But on the broadcast they were speculating that Douglas would have been one of Mac's targets, and he was being held the entire time.

It will take more than one good game to convince me that Mac is worthy of the 5th year option. I do think it takes too long for the ball to arrive at times. But it was good to see a game where his OL was competent for literally the first time all season. It was really hard to overstate how poorly the OL performed for the first 6 games.
 

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That was a horrible looking play by Mac. But on the broadcast they were speculating that Douglas would have been one of Mac's targets, and he was being held the entire time.
Watching the play again I'm pretty sure he was never looking that way. Pop was running the out route in the bunch to pull defenders away. Mac was always looking inside, at Gesicki and then Bourne who were both in the same bunch running shorter sticks routes inside. Mac got caught patting the ball waiting for Bourne's out then in route that got jumped at the sticks by Hyde. It was also a borderline call. There was contact but not really much more than you see uncalled on most plays.

The penalty doesn't make me feel any better about Mac's actions on that play.
 

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I will say off the top that I think this was Mac's best game as a Patriot. He's right that the OL gave him more time. The offensive gameplan also worked really well, scheming players open with motion. Everything about the offense worked better, and Mac was the biggest part of that.

But for the Mac truthers in here, I think it's worth not burying some of the bad plays he made in this game. There's the tipped ball that's been discussed, but I think the worst play was the fumble, because that was all on him.

On 3rd and 3 with 11:45 or so left in the game, Pats are up 16-10 at the Bills 32. They're in long field goal range if he doesn't take a sack. Mac is in the gun again (already not a good sign). He motions Zeke into the backfield and takes the snap. He has good time to throw - about 4 seconds before a Bills player is on him. He pats the ball twice... then tries to run... directly into the Trent Brown's butt. A defender catches him from behind and he fumbles. Onwenu falls on the ball to recover it. The whole play is wiped from the playbooks and our memory by an unnecessary illegal contact downfield on Pop, who was never a part of Mac's reads from what I can tell. It looked to me like he was staring down Bourne who the Bills put a player underneath at the sticks and he never came open.

Anyone with YTTV or DVR or whatever can go back and watch it. It's exactly the kind of disaster play that blew the team up against NO and LV. We're in field goal range in the fourth quarter with the chance to take the lead and Mac holds the ball too long, displays bad pocket awareness, panics, and takes a sack... and makes it even worse by trying to do too much and fumbling. Except our guy fell on the ball, and further it was wiped out by a bail out penalty. All the same behaviors we've been calling out in this thread, but deleted from the stat sheet and our brains.

Mac was getting those types of mistakes punished to the absolute maximum in the recent few games. Bad throws weren't just being batted down or falling incomplete... they were being intercepted, and returned for touchdowns. Not every one of those mistakes is supposed to bite you - most should get forgotten. Today, his few (I counted 2) interceptable balls were dropped by defenders, and his fumble was recovered and then wiped out. If that fumble is recovered by the Bills, and the Pats don't continue that drive for a TD, we're sitting here making Mark Sanchez jokes. That wouldn't have been fair, given the rest of the game he played. But that's how narrowly perception turns for QBs sometimes. He was getting too much blame after the recent losses, and he'll get too much credit after today's win.

All that being said, he did a lot of things better today, and had fewer of those potential mistakes to be converted than in recent weeks. He ran the offense well. If the guy that played today showed up every week, I'll have a lot more fun watching this team.
We do this with Mac because he's the QB on our favorite team, and we watch (and re-watch) every play, every week. We don't do this with any other QB. But I guarantee you that if we did this exercise with every other QB in the league, every week, play-by-play breakdown, we'd be able to point out all kinds of mistakes THEY make too that we don't pay any attention to in real life because we don't watch all their games, nor do we scrutinize their every play.

Here's how I think of it: The great QBs make FEWER mistakes on average than guys like Mac do. But also...because they're great (and often have great teams around them), they're able to overcome those mistakes, so we forget about them. I posted some boneheaded interceptions that Brady threw in the Super Bowl (one vs. Carolina and one vs. Seattle) that would have had this place howling if Mac had thrown them in a regular season game. They happen to every QB in the league. But because they're great, and because they play on good teams, they overcome them, and those plays are largely ignored or forgotten. But when you're a middling QB like Mac is, those plays cannot be overcome, and frankly, he makes more of them.

But to point to a game where he was as good as he has ever played in his career (in an amazing win against Buffalo in the last minute) and point out the couple of mistakes he made (and there were just a couple) seems overly critical of him. Not saying you're doing this specifically because you are also praising Mac for his performance, but this kind of mutes it, right? It's like, yeah he was pretty good but he still makes mistakes.

But I mean, EVERY quarterback makes mistakes. Like, every single one of them. Mahomes yesterday threw for 424 yards and 4 TD (even ran for 29 yards) and the team put up 31 points in a 14-point win over a division rival. Great game, right? Yes absolutely, 100%. But you know what? Mahomes ALSO made some mistakes. We just don't take the time to dive into them and nitpick them. Partly because he's amazing, and partly because they won anyway.

So understand what I AM saying and what I am NOT saying. I am NOT saying it's unfair to point out Mac's mistakes. It's part of analyzing the game and it's fair game for us to do this. But what I AM saying is that every QB makes mistakes, every single game, every single week. And that we can only really point to a couple of errors by Mac shows that he truly played exceedingly well yesterday.
 

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I do think it takes too long for the ball to arrive at times.
Same here. But at least this week, for reasons that are above my analytical ability, receivers were actually open.
I think, as Henry did on his late catch, they get hit harder on Mac's not-fast balls. But this week they had time & space to make catches that didn't seem to be there previously. I hope some of our more savvy observers here dig into that a bit. (Better plays?; better receivers -- Douglas > JuJu?)
 

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Same here. But at least this week, for reasons that are above my analytical ability, receivers were actually open.
I think, as Henry did on his late catch, they get hit harder on Mac's not-fast balls. But this week they had time & space to make catches. I hope some of our more savvy observers here dig into that a bit.
On that Henry catch, Mac did have significant pressure coming from the blind side, which may have impacted the velocity on the throw.
 

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On that Henry catch, Mac did have significant pressure coming from the blind side, which may have impacted the velocity on the throw.
Good point. That was the guy who swiped at his arm, then dragged him down after the throw, IIRC.
 

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Good point. That was the guy who swiped at his arm, then dragged him down after the throw, IIRC.
Exactly, I just watched the play again.

Here's the play, link should go to the right time stamp. 12:10

Edit: yikes Trent

Double edit: I know nothing about this kind of stuff should work, but should Mac be stepping up there and firing it with more velocity? I can't tell from Henry's route whether that pass is better off being floated or zinged.

Watching on YTTV, Mac pretty clearly intentionally throws more of a touch pass

View: https://youtu.be/JjxdKGOwYr0?si=-ORti2AzCdVoUxdI&t=730