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Given the number of injuries sustained over the regular season, the ongoing development of younger players, and other transactions it's safe to say the lines of opening night may not be the lines in April or even November. [SIZE=13.63636302948px]This thread is to talk about the various line combinations for the Bruins over the course of the season and into the playoffs.[/SIZE]
 

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To start us off, I really liked the energy, speed, and offense generated last night by moving Marchand onto a line with Soderberg and Ericksson. It certainly jumpstarted his game and I for one thought we saw a lot more energy from him out there. I am curious to see if coach sticks with that combination as it does seem to present a challenge for opposing teams...granted it was Buffalo.
 

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Marchand was back on the a Bergeron line at practice today. Julien actually does very little line tinkering, he likes to pair guys up and when he finds a combination he likes he usually sticks with it for better or worse. The ones he's got are Marchand-Bergeron, Lucic-Krejci, Paille-Campbell and Soderberg-Eriksson. 3 of those pairs have been together for the better part of 4 seasons now.He'll mess around with them occasionally when guys are in a funk but it usually doesn't last long. They started last night with Kelly - Bergeron - Gagne, but Smith found his way back on Bergy's right by the second period and Marchand's temporary exile on the 3rd line lasted all of 1 game. Unless there are injuries, the lines you see today will essentially be the same ones you see in April.
 

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Yeah, that's all spot on in terms of the core pairs you see on the four lines. If everything goes according to plan, that should be the case at the end of the season. They are your core and foundation and 2/3 of your forwards accounted for.
 
But who's on the wing for some of your core pairings? Smith is on the second line, sure, but there's been some rotation on the first line as well as the back two lines. Seems to me that's where a lot of this discussion could be in terms of who are you putting on what lines and balancing the youth/veteran presence.
 

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If Fraser keep can keep playing as he did last night, he may earn himself more of an opportunity.  The two goals were obviously good, but he also played really  well overall.  
 
The first I noticed him was backchecking and aggressively taking the puck carrier out of the play on what could have been a 2-on-1 against, and he had some good offensive plays leading to chances in the first period before his goals in the second. 
 

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Fraser strikes me as a one trick pony. He's got the laser shot but doesn't bring much else to the table. If he gets a puck in a shooting position, like he did last night, he'll bury them more often than not. The problem is that he's not all that physical, is a below average skater and he lacks the ability to create his own shot. He's in no mans land in trying to break into the lineup. I don't think he has the talent for a permanent top 9 role, but in order for him to be successful he needs to play with a skilled center who can get him the puck in a shooting position. I think Griffith is a better fit on the Krejci line than Fraser, and when Krejci comes back the only other opening would be a potential 4th spot in a rotation with Gagne. That doesn't seem like that great of an idea. 
 

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Fraser strikes me as a one trick pony. He's got the laser shot but doesn't bring much else to the table. If he gets a puck in a shooting position, like he did last night, he'll bury them more often than not. The problem is that he's not all that physical, is a below average skater and he lacks the ability to create his own shot. He's in no mans land in trying to break into the lineup. I don't think he has the talent for a permanent top 9 role, but in order for him to be successful he needs to play with a skilled center who can get him the puck in a shooting position. I think Griffith is a better fit on the Krejci line than Fraser, and when Krejci comes back the only other opening would be a potential 4th spot in a rotation with Gagne. That doesn't seem like that great of an idea. 
I am more optimistic, but not by a whole lot.  Last night he got himself involved, positively, in more ways than just the shot.  For example, the nice backchecking play I mentioned that stopped a 2-on-1.  To have any kind of a future, he needs to develop some semblance of an all around game, not just be a shooter.  But he did show some of that yesterday so I am not going to write him off just yet.
 
That said, I am generally skeptical of players who put up AHL stat lines such as his:
 
2011-12: 73 games, 37 goals, 18 assists
2012-13: 62 games, 33 goals, 13 assists
2013-14: 44 games, 20 goals, 10 assists
 
That some nice goal production, but to me the lack of assists shouts out "One trick pony!".  It's pretty rare to see a good goal scorer who somehow cannot pick up an assist to save his life.  
 
If he can adapt his game a little bit, enough to play a 4th line role, it could be an asset just having access to that shot when it might be needed.  M
 

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Any thoughts as to where they would play Pastrnak when he gets the call up? Some options I'm pondering: next to Soderberg and Loui, on the first line, or on the fourth line.
 
Curious to hear other views.
 

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Any thoughts as to where they would play Pastrnak when he gets the call up? Some options I'm pondering: next to Soderberg and Loui, on the first line, or on the fourth line.
 
Curious to hear other views.
It would have been line 1, but Griffith seems to be holding that job down.
 

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MBS is too good to break up.  If Pastrnak is called up, he'll replace Griffith on the 1st or kelly on the 3rd.  I'd rather have him playing 1st line minutes in Providence than 4th line minutes in Boston. 
 

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He won't be up anytime soon, but there was some Pastrnak news over the weekend. There were some rumblings that he was going to go back to Sweden but, according to Divver of the ProJo, Ferguson said nothing has been decided but they're starting to look for a billet family for him. That would seem to indicate he stays. Ferguson also said they're going to release him so that he can go play for the Czech team in the WJC.
 

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Pastrnak is up and I can't imagine is a healthy scratch against Pittsburgh tonight.
 
Anyone want to take a guess who he plays with to start? The Swedes? First line? Third line?
 

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Pastrnak is up and I can't imagine is a healthy scratch against Pittsburgh tonight.
 
Anyone want to take a guess who he plays with to start? The Swedes? First line? Third line?
 
Maybe he takes Marchands spot with Bergy and Smith? 
 

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They went with:

Marchand - Bergeron - Smith
Lucic - Swedes
Caron - Campbell - Gagne
Paille -Khokhlachev - Pastrnak

At the morning skate. Julien says Marchand, Pastrnak and other's are GTD's. Kelly and Krejci are definately out.

Pastrnak is a right wing so I don't see him replacing Marchand if Marchand is a no-go. Seems like starting off with Koko is the right move, those two lit up the A playing together. If Pastrnak sticks, then I don't see why he won't be given a shot at RW on the Krejci line.
 

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cshea said:
They went with:

Marchand - Bergeron - Smith
Lucic - Swedes
Caron - Campbell - Gagne
Paille -Khokhlachev - Pastrnak

At the morning skate. Julien says Marchand, Pastrnak and other's are GTD's. Kelly and Krejci are definately out.

Pastrnak is a right wing so I don't see him replacing Marchand if Marchand is a no-go. Seems like starting off with Koko is the right move, those two lit up the A playing together. If Pastrnak sticks, then I don't see why he won't be given a shot at RW on the Krejci line.
Griffith, Fraser hurt, too?
 

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Not that I'm aware of. I'm not really a Matt Fraser fan, so I don't have much of a problem with him taking a seat. I'd play Griffith over Gagne/Caron though. The 4th line has been a disaster all season, might as well plug Griffith in and maybe you get some offense.
 

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Fraser was mixing in with Marchand. Griffith was mixing in with Pastrnak, according to the tweets.
 

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Understood that it's a short term thing until one of Krejci/Marchand is back healthy, but when's the last time the Bruins sent down the team (co-)leader in goals?
 

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I don't really mind Caron getting a game. He's had a nice stint in Providence, 6 g, 4a in 10 games. 
 
At this point, I think Simon Gagne needs to be put out to pasture. He's a Jay Pandolfo-esque 1g, 0a in 17 games. Doesn't contribute to either special teams unit (minimal PK time recently due to injuries notwithstanding). The 4th line has basically been a disaster all year, so I'd look to shake that unit up a bit. Gagne's the easiest to get rid of or put in the press box for a game or 3. 
 

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Kelly is back practicing after missing the last 2.  Here are the lines from practice per ESPN
Lucic-Soderberg-Eriksson 
Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
Paille-Campbell-Gagne
Fraser/Griffith-Kelly-Smith
 
I, for one, am really excited for the top 2 lines.  LSE have played really well together, and I want to see if a legit scoring wing can help Bergeron's line. 
 

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Kelly is back practicing after missing the last 2.  Here are the lines from practice per ESPN
Lucic-Soderberg-Eriksson 
Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
Paille-Campbell-Gagne
Fraser/Griffith-Kelly-Smith
 
I, for one, am really excited for the top 2 lines.  LSE have played really well together, and I want to see if a legit scoring wing can help Bergeron's line.
Agreed. Excited to see what he does playing with Bergeron and Marchand.
 

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Chara and Krejci are back in the mix and hopefully on track to play on Thursday. Some guys are missing, but Julien rolling with:

17-46-21
63-37-18
25-11/23-53
20-34-12 (all 3 of them are missing from practice so using them as the default 4th line. Wonder if the flu bug is going around)

33-27
44-86
47-62
 

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Renaud Lavoie tweeted out saying that Gagne's leave of absense is because Simon's father was recently diagnosed with incurable cancer. Best wishes to the Gagne family.

The Bruins recalled Craig Cunningham today as a result. They'll need him if Krejci can't go tomorrow. Krejci says he hopes to be ready but he hasn't been cleared yet.
 

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Bergy and Lucic are not practicing today. I didn't catch last night's debacle, did they get hurt? Looking at the TOI logs, it looks like Bergy didn't play the final 13:00 of the game. Any ideas what happened to him? 
 

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Bergy and Lucic are not practicing today. I didn't catch last night's debacle, did they get hurt? Looking at the TOI logs, it looks like Bergy didn't play the final 13:00 of the game. Any ideas what happened to him? 
 
I believe Claude mentioned in the post game something about a minor injury that wasn't serious. With the game out of hand they just sent him to the back. Lucic I do not know other than maybe he got dinged up in his scrap - but it's certainly that time of year where you have to wonder.
 

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Beers kept mentioning that he and Gaucher did not see what happened to Bergeron and, in the absence of information, sounded duly concerned.
 

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From my eye it seems like there are two sets of lines developing that coach has been playing at different times depending on the flow of the game, and a little variation on the wings between the two depending on match ups, rest, injuries. With the kid incorporated and one of (XX) Griffith, Cunningham, or Caron playing on the Bergeron or fourth line.
 
Standard Look
 
17 46 88
63 37 18
23 34 21
20 11 XX
 
New Look
 
63 46 88
17 37 20
21 34 18
23 11 XX
 
What's the SoSH take on the new look offense we've been seeing? The offensive opportunities that the revamped Krejci line has been generating is highlight worthy and it would seem the second and third lines are going to be able to outplay most of the depth on other teams in the NHL.
 

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He flipped back to the standard lines last night, and I think they'll stay there for the time being. The line changes were an attempt to kick start the team after their malaise in Carolina and sluggish start in Pittsburgh. It had the desired affect of getting them going a bit, but now that they're clicking again they'll go back to what we consider the normal lineup.

The Bruins have scored 39 goals in 13 games since Krejci returned. 3 goals/game would leave them near the top of the league in scoring if they can maintain that pace (Chicago and Nashville are 7/8 in the league with an even 3g/g). Things have stabilized.
 

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He flipped back to the standard lines last night, and I think they'll stay there for the time being. The line changes were an attempt to kick start the team after their malaise in Carolina and sluggish start in Pittsburgh. It had the desired affect of getting them going a bit, but now that they're clicking again they'll go back to what we consider the normal lineup.

The Bruins have scored 39 goals in 13 games since Krejci returned. 3 goals/game would leave them near the top of the league in scoring if they can maintain that pace (Chicago and Nashville are 7/8 in the league with an even 3g/g). Things have stabilized.
Rask is also playing notably better in recent weeks. I wonder if there is a causal effect there: that when the Bruins' offense is not performing, they tend to circle the wagons and play in their own end.
 

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cshea said:
He flipped back to the standard lines last night, and I think they'll stay there for the time being. The line changes were an attempt to kick start the team after their malaise in Carolina and sluggish start in Pittsburgh. It had the desired affect of getting them going a bit, but now that they're clicking again they'll go back to what we consider the normal lineup.

The Bruins have scored 39 goals in 13 games since Krejci returned. 3 goals/game would leave them near the top of the league in scoring if they can maintain that pace (Chicago and Nashville are 7/8 in the league with an even 3g/g). Things have stabilized.
Yeah, it's all about slotting really.  This team is so much better when they have Krejci (and a 1st line that's clicking) as they can then have 3 lines that they can roll that are threats to score and no slouches defensively.  They can force mismatches, especially with the Soderberg line as most teams 3rd lines are closer to our 4th in skill.  Even if that line doesn't score, it forces longer shifts and more offensive zone time.  
 
They are sort of the reverse of our 4th line which is basically the white flag for possession.