The Game Ball Thread: Wk. 8 at NYJ
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Chubb can catch, though. Cleveland just doesn't use him that way, for inexplicable reasons.
If you have him in on passing downs that means he'll do some pass blocking sometimes, and even if he can do that (I"ve never really watched) that's adding challenging physically plays where some DL and blitzing backs get to eff him up some.
For sure. I think you can use him as a basic RB option guy. But Rham can lineup in the slot or out wide and Chubb hasn’t shown he can do that. It’s like those 3 tiers of RB receiving. Tier 3 is you’re below average or worse with basic checkdown routes. Tier 2 is you’re average or better with checkdown routes. Tier 1 is you can line up as a receiver as well. I think Rham is tier 1 (even if he’s a low tier 1 - YMMV) and Chubb is a very solid tier 2 (maybe even a highish tier 2 even if underused). As a pure runner Chubb has the edge on Rham but Chubb has the edge on… everyone?
I've seen Chubb catch passes down the field. He has excellent hands. He's exceptional in the flat. I don't think he's the best blocker but he's no worse than Kareem Hunt.
Cleveland just doesn't use him to catch passes because it's smarter for an offense to be one dimensional, I guess. The Pats did the same thing with Sony and it was brutal. If Sony was on the field, it was going to be a run.
That’s two time AFC Championship Game runner up, Bart Scott, to you, fucko.
Game ball to Mac Jones for convincing BB not to trade up and pick Zach Wilson in last year's NFL Draft and for being a juicy target for opponent's roughing the passer and unnecessary roughness penalties.
How many tier 1s can run the ball as well or better than Stevenson? I'm guessing that there are some, but that they tend to be Christian McCaffrey types - smaller faster backs who don't run over people and break tackles like Stevenson does. I think he's something of a unicorn.
I kinda like Bart Scott. Every time he speaks he reminds me of the Rex Ryan era Jets. And I love being reminded of that era because the team was kinda stacked outside QB yet never seriously competed for a title. Which reminds me the Jets are a perpetual failure. Which makes me happy.
I think the special teams overall deserve a shout. Kickoff returns, kickoff coverage, punt returns,* punt coverage, field goals, onside kick recovery. All of it flawless. Jets had a shanked punt, shanked field goal, shanked kickoff. Special teams were the difference.
* one very obvious rookie mistake aside.
* one very obvious rookie mistake aside.
Marcus Jones is now in 4th place in the league in punt return average at 14.0. Feels like it's only a matter of time before he breaks one.
Stevenson is killing Damien Harris' contract year.
I am guessing the offensive line would have been a lot better with Andrews. He has been helping out Strange all year because Owenu is a stud and doesn't need it.
I am guessing the offensive line would have been a lot better with Andrews. He has been helping out Strange all year because Owenu is a stud and doesn't need it.
I think Josh Jacobs is another RB entering the top tier (along with Rham).
Game balls to the D responsible for filling in for Barmore and Dugger (Wise / Guy / Peppers I think did the majority of this work). I thought we were screwed when I read the inactive list.
Game balls to the D responsible for filling in for Barmore and Dugger (Wise / Guy / Peppers I think did the majority of this work). I thought we were screwed when I read the inactive list.
Spooky game balls to the Halloween ghosts in Zack Wilson's head. The Jets should have won that game going away. 13 (!) negative offensive plays for the Pats, a truly ugly stat, but Wilson just could not bring himself to throw the ball away when warranted.
Two actual game balls to Rham and Nick Folk.
Two actual game balls to Rham and Nick Folk.
One thing I think is perhaps somewhat lost in this win is what Belichick just did to this Jets team.
Going into this game, the prevailing story was Mac. Could he pull it together to beat a division rival that had lost 12 straight to the Patriots? Or was he so broken that it wouldn't be possible to beat a team on the road that was 5-2 with a solid defense? Of course, while Mac didn't exactly light the world on fire, he did enough to win. But instead, the story coming out was how Zack Wilson is completely unsuited to being an NFL quarterback.
We know Bill has a tendency to go after a team's biggest strength -- ie, the Marshall Faulk Strategy in the 2001-2 Super Bowl. And we know he has a habit of not just beating other teams, but breaking them -- such as that 2001 Rams team (and maybe the Steelers that year as well), the 2014 Seahawks and 2018 Rams.
But this game also reminded us that Bill likes to not simply exploit a team's greatest weakness but burst their bubble by pantsing the thing that is key to sustaining their momentum. Often, in the case of Kordell Stewart and Jared Goff, it's the quarterback. In this case, it was Bill kicking Wilson while he was already down. And in a league where the Jets have been a laughing stock for a long time and a division where two other teams are already doing well-to-great, it's absolutely a priority to keep them in their place -- which is to say, the last one in the AFC East.
So while I know the goal of the game was to win, it seems to me that Bill's defense did something more important coming out of the locker room in the second half: he sewed chaos in theirs by throwing looks and packages at Wilson that revealed him to be a quivering bowl of jelly and way, way, way behind where even Mac is right now.
Nice work, Bill.
Going into this game, the prevailing story was Mac. Could he pull it together to beat a division rival that had lost 12 straight to the Patriots? Or was he so broken that it wouldn't be possible to beat a team on the road that was 5-2 with a solid defense? Of course, while Mac didn't exactly light the world on fire, he did enough to win. But instead, the story coming out was how Zack Wilson is completely unsuited to being an NFL quarterback.
We know Bill has a tendency to go after a team's biggest strength -- ie, the Marshall Faulk Strategy in the 2001-2 Super Bowl. And we know he has a habit of not just beating other teams, but breaking them -- such as that 2001 Rams team (and maybe the Steelers that year as well), the 2014 Seahawks and 2018 Rams.
But this game also reminded us that Bill likes to not simply exploit a team's greatest weakness but burst their bubble by pantsing the thing that is key to sustaining their momentum. Often, in the case of Kordell Stewart and Jared Goff, it's the quarterback. In this case, it was Bill kicking Wilson while he was already down. And in a league where the Jets have been a laughing stock for a long time and a division where two other teams are already doing well-to-great, it's absolutely a priority to keep them in their place -- which is to say, the last one in the AFC East.
So while I know the goal of the game was to win, it seems to me that Bill's defense did something more important coming out of the locker room in the second half: he sewed chaos in theirs by throwing looks and packages at Wilson that revealed him to be a quivering bowl of jelly and way, way, way behind where even Mac is right now.
Nice work, Bill.