The Eagles of Crystal Palace: Flying High...or crash and burn?

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Crystal Palace are in the Premier League in back-to-back seasons for the first time in their history. After starting 2012 as 66-1 underdogs to earn promotion out of the Championship, Tony Pulis’ side finished an amazing 11th in the BPL last season. Mind you, this was a team that was in 19th place with only 3 points after their first 10 games last season. But after Pulis took over, the team had a renewed focus, played smothering defense, and racked up 42 points in their final 28 games, earning Pulis Manager of the Year honors.
 
The team has a nice home-field advantage in Selhurst Park, a small, old ground that seats around 26,000 fans. The Holmesdale stand has some of the most relentless fans in the game. It’s routinely one of the rowdiest places to play, and the team travels well too.
 
Palace had a few very memorable moments from last season, especially as playing the spoiler. Their 1-0 win over Chelsea effectively ended Chelsea’s title hopes, and they stunned Liverpool by drawing 3-3, scoring 3 goals in the final 15 minutes to leave Luis Suarez in tears on the ground at Selhurst Park.
 
Despite the outburst against the Reds, this is not a team that is going to wow you with offense. In fact, last season the team scored only 33 goals all season. However, they played disciplined defense and took opportunities to counterattack when presented. Goalkeeper Julian Speroni (he is so popular that he has his own restaurant, you know) continued his solid play and Joel Ward and Damian Delaney anchored the back four. Norway captain Brede Hangeland comes over from Fulham as a center back. This year, Wayne Hennessey figures to get more playing time as Speroni is on the backside of his 30s. Captain Mile Jedinak, the first Palace player to score a goal in a World Cup, manages the defensive midfield with along with rising star Yannick Bolasie providing the offense in the middle. Up front, new signing Frazier Campbell (from Cardiff) looks to have some opportunities to score, with last year’s big signing Marouane Chamakh becoming more comfortable playing back along with Dwight Gayle and Jason Puncheon.
 
This is mostly the same squad as last year (the team spent the princely sum of £900,000, all on Campbell, while taking in £1,400,000 for Campaña), so it will be interesting to see if a full season under Pulis can allow them to climb a bit further up the table, and perhaps even challenge some of the big money clubs. If the season had started when Pulis took over, Palace would have been in 8th place at the end of the season. So while a Europa Cup shot is unlikely, it’s not completely unthinkable in the way it would have been at the start of last year. Realistically though, this team is more likely to finish mid-table again. Even that would be a victory though as a couple of consistent finishes may allow the team to invest in transfers in a way that they’ve not been financially secure enough to do over the past few years.
 
First game on August 16 at Arsenal will be a great early test to see where they stand.
 

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Crystal Palace Eagles is closer than I ever thought any team could get to "Nippon Ham Fighters" on my all time favorite team names list.

It's like you asked a lady who owns a bead shop to name a football team.

Do they ever show these guys on NBC Sports, etc.? My delight in their name means I might give them a shot to become my inexplicable English rooting interest.
 

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Jimy Hendrix said:
Do they ever show these guys on NBC Sports, etc.? My delight in their name means I might give them a shot to become my inexplicable English rooting interest.
 
Well, every game is available online at the very least. But games against the bigger teams (Man U, Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, Everton, etc.) will likely get TV slots more than a few times.
 
Just checked the schedule, they open with Arsenal on the 16th and that's on NBC.
 

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Jimy Hendrix said:
Crystal Palace Eagles is closer than I ever thought any team could get to "Nippon Ham Fighters" on my all time favorite team names list.

It's like you asked a lady who owns a bead shop to name a football team.

Do they ever show these guys on NBC Sports, etc.? My delight in their name means I might give them a shot to become my inexplicable English rooting interest.
 
:D That's a good enough reason to pick Palace, but here are a few more:  great old stadium, amazing fans/atmosphere, nobody is going to accuse you of being a front-runner, and a fun rivalry story (though Brighton is still one level below).
 
The downside, of course, is the most expensive pies in the Premier League.
 
And as DrewDawg said, you should be able to find most of their (and really everyone else's for that matter) games fairly easily if you have NBCSports. You may have to watch some on the computer, but I will wake up on Saturdays and pull them up on the iPad.
 
I've been a fan for just a year, so I guess I feel a bit like the new convert to a religion proselytizing here. But it would be nice to have some company in this thread.
 

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If my cable is garbage plus HBO, do I need to use all those dodgy European sites I sometimes use for out of market American football or is there a way I can just buy a good streaming package even without the cable channel, ala MLB.TV?
 

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What a shame. Palace were such fun down the stretch last season and Pulis - while a devotee of "negative" football - is a very good coach who really maximized the talent available. 
 

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BBC reporting it now
 
 
Assistant manager Keith Millen will be in temporary charge for Saturday's trip to Arsenal.
 
Bookmakers' odds had tumbled as speculation over Welshman Pulis' job intensified.
 
The remainder of Pulis' coaching staff - including Gerry Francis and Dave Kemp - have been asked by Parish to stay on for the Arsenal game before leaving the club.
 
Pulis wanted to assume greater control of all football matters at Selhurst Park - especially transfers.
 
What a disaster.
 

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Christ, Jimy Hendrix is gonna wonder what the fuck he's let himself in for.
 
Is it always like this in English football? Well, not usually 2 days before the first game of the season, admittedly. Away to Arsenal.
 

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Assuming the fallout had to be over the funds available to him.

TP got used to having a nice transfer budget every summer with Stoke. They were always among the league leaders in net transfer spending during his reign.

Pulis must have decided it wasn't worth it to remain at Palace long term without those resources in place. He also knows that he will be the first name for any coaching vacancies after the miracle at selhurst he pulled off last season.
 

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Another year of playing FIFA on my XBox with a departed manager.

This does make me wonder whether Steve Parish and his ownership group are financially able to support a PL team. This is really a head-scratcher from a pure sport point of view.
 

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This does make me wonder whether Steve Parish and his ownership group are financially able to support a PL team. This is really a head-scratcher from a pure sport point of view.
It also doesn't say much for the ownership that they not only couldn't resolve this during a 3 month off-season, but let it come to a head 2 days before the season starts.
 

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Is this just a low-table cheapness thing, or weird personal stuff? Not known yet?
 
A little from column A, a little from column B. 
 

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Malky Mackay should be the favorite. He worked with Iain Moody at Cardiff, hopefully he gets shown a chance with an owner who isn't (that) batshit insane.
 

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On the one hand, this seems like it might be a weird shitshow.
 
On the other hand, this is the game on NBC proper (my cable package doesn't include the sports networks) and what else am I gonna do, root for Arsenal? Nah, got my Nick Hornby phase done with a decade ago and I was more in it for the music anyways.
 

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DLew On Roids said:
 
At least the bookies think so
 
 
Tim Sherwood is ahead in the race to become next Crystal Palace manager as bookmakers have suspended betting on him taking charge.
 
Eagles co-chairman Steve Parish has identified Sherwood - who was sacked as Tottenham boss at the end of last season - as a contender to take the reins at Selhurst Park.
 
Former Cardiff manager Malky Mackay is also a strong contender for the role, but Coral and William Hill have closed the book on Sherwood taking charge.

 
 

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jkempa said:
 
:D That's a good enough reason to pick Palace, but here are a few more:  great old stadium, amazing fans/atmosphere, nobody is going to accuse you of being a front-runner, and a fun rivalry story (though Brighton is still one level below).
 
The downside, of course, is the most expensive pies in the Premier League.
 
And as DrewDawg said, you should be able to find most of their (and really everyone else's for that matter) games fairly easily if you have NBCSports. You may have to watch some on the computer, but I will wake up on Saturdays and pull them up on the iPad.
 
I've been a fan for just a year, so I guess I feel a bit like the new convert to a religion proselytizing here. But it would be nice to have some company in this thread.
 
Jimy Hendrix - I would like to apologize for this post. What a circus.
 

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Jimy Hendrix - I would like to apologize for this post. What a circus.
If I was looking for something to pour my heart into, I would be cursing your name, sure, but as something entertaining to hook into English football with, I am okay with a ridiculous circus.

I enjoyed the Arsenal game too, a bunch of gawky tall guys defending the best they can is probably not what most people are thinking when they say "beautiful game", but I was on board with it.
 

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Vincent Tan had better have lots of documentation behind his claims, because if he can't prove it, Mackay could wind up owning Cardiff City.
Welp, this is shit from the Daily Mail story about this and uh... well... yeah
 
 
 
In July 2012, Cardiff signed South Korean international Kim Bo-kyung, but when Moody informed Mackay on July 12 that ‘five of the b******s including the player’ were arriving for talks, the reply from Mackay’s phone was: ‘Fkn chinkys.’ A further message says: ‘Fk it. There’s enough dogs in Cardiff for us all to go around.’
In reference to the prominent football agent, Phil Smith, a text states: ‘Go on, fat Phil. Nothing like a Jew that sees money slipping through his fingers’. The Israeli club, Maccabi Tel Aviv, are also referred to simply as ‘the Jews’.

A football official at another club is referred to as ‘a gay snake’ and ‘the homo’ and someone who is ‘not to be trusted’, while a French player is someone ‘who struck me as an independently minded young homo’.

An exchange with a young player who has a female agent makes reference to a sex act and states: ‘I hope she’s looking after your needs,’ the player is then told. ‘I bet you’d love a bounce on her falsies.’

On August 16, 2012, a list of players proposed by a French agent is forwarded, stating to Mackay that ‘he needs to rename his agency the All Blacks’. A separate text in reference to a list of French players states: ‘Not many white faces amongst that lot but worth considering.’

In a separate exchange a picture entitled ‘Black Monopoly’ is sent, with every square a ‘Go To Jail’ square. Of one African player, it is stated: ‘Doesn’t look like a good cv. And he’s Nigerian.’
 

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Yes, you've printed what Tan told the FA. That doesn't mean Mackay couldn't have a case.

Point being that if Tan doesn't have incontrovertible evidence that those exchanges occurred, Mackay is going to have a huge libel case against him. Their laws are very different from American libel laws. I'm no expert, but you can see how reluctant some papers are to even print this stuff for fear of a suit--check the Guardian's article on Palace, in which the writer clearly knows what's in the Mirror and the Daily Mail, but can't print it.

And before we say, "Well, he wouldn't do it if he didn't have proof," keep in mind that Vincent Tan is a noted crazy person.
 

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The lead article on the Guardian's football page includes this:

The dossier compiled by Cardiff was sent to the FA by the law firm Mishcon de Reya, who searched the homes of both Mackay and Moody earlier this year. The clubs owner, Vincent Tan, was severely criticised when he sacked Mackay last season and replaced the Scot with Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.
Whaaaaa? How does a law firm get to do that?
 

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Vincent Tan had better have lots of documentation behind his claims, because if he can't prove it, Mackay could wind up owning Cardiff City.
 
I'm just glad Vincent found a way to stay on the Premier League radar all the way down there in the Championship. Things are more interesting when he's around.
 

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The piece by James Lawton in the Daily Mail today is fascinating reading into the downright dark & murky world of football transfers.
 
No smoke without fire, say I.
 
https://twitter.com/BBCSport/status/502410094316122112
 
 
 

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Well, here's Crystal Palace's statement on the firing of Iain Moody (Sporting Director that is close with Mackay)
 
 

In light of the events of yesterday, Sporting Director, Iain Moody has tendered his resignation and it has been accepted with immediate effect. 
 
There will be no further comment from the club on this matter.
 
Seems like Tan may have something.
 

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Or Moody cost the club 100K in fines for getting the lineup last season. 
 
And this Vincent Tan-Malky Mackay thing is just a sideshow.
 

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YES!  We all need more Warnock.  
 
He may be just the man to take them down, but he will entertain us along the way.  Kind of like Ian Holloway, now that I think  of it.
 

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I finally was able to watch Saturday's game against Newcastle last night. I'm amazed that I'm actually happy with a draw after leading 1:0 after 30 second and 2:1 until the 73rd minute, but I still am. If nothing else, watching Palace is quite a bit more exciting than last season.
 
After being totally conditioned to practically ignore defensive set pieces, as they gave up only one goal under Pulis last year, I'm covering my eyes this year. The defense has been pretty awful so far. The counterbalance is the much improved offensive game. Instead of hoping for one and parking the bus, it does look to my untrained eyes that this is a team that can score. Seeing Zaha score the equalizer in the 95th minute was exciting and he also had one called off for offside. This was my first time seeing him play, and I A) got a glimpse of why Palace fans love the guy so much and B) wonder what the plan ever was with him at Man U. He appears pretty happy to be back, and I'm looking forward to watching him some more.
 
Also, as I'm still getting into all this, what is the opinion of more knowledgeable folks on Yannick Bolasie? I've been very impressed and am thrilled he got a 3 year contract. How does he compare with other (non-superstar) wings? Is he the sort of guy a team like this should build around?
 

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His track record would iindicate just enough investment to stay up and mak
make maximum profit.
 
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