The 26 and under Red Sox

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Not sure if this deserves its own thread - mods do what you will. Just wanted to talk not just about a single player or two, but all of the "kids". The 26 and younger group of Red Sox.

Major leaguers...

Vazquez (25) - .229/.270/.333/.604 - Obviously he's not there for his bat, and it's amazing that even with him in the lineup, they are leading the league in runs scored. It's pretty ideal. Just a tremendous defensive presence out there.

Bogaerts (23) - .350/.401/.516/.917 - Already a terrific player, I want to see him keep this up just a little longer, but it's possible that we are already at the "Xander is a superstar" point. On pace for 8.1 bWAR. Excellent fielder, really good baserunner, and a tremendous hitter. If he adds power and gets to 25 homers a year, holy smokes.

Betts (23) - .283/.325/.522/.847, 12 homers, 8 sb - Stellar defender. Versatile. Electric athlete. Now on pace for 35+ homers after his game last night. There's nothing this guy can't do.

Swihart (24) - .245/.345/.367/.712 - Solid catcher, though not nearly as good as Vazquez defensively. Now showing he can play a solid major league left field, increasing his versatility. The bat has tons of potential, and boy can this guy run the bases. Just a really good overall baseball player.

Bradley (26) - .331/.409/.601/1.010 - Just a breakout season for this emerging superstar. Incredible defensively. Not blessed with the same speed as Betts, but he runs very well. I think we all hoped he would become a .270 hitter in the majors, which, to go along with his incredible defense, would have made him a great major leaguer. But the bat...my goodness. Don't think he will end up being THIS kind of major league hitter, but is it really possible he could be an elite defensive CF *and* be a .900 ops guy as well? If so, the word "superstar" isn't generous enough.

Hernandez (23) - .267/.313/.467/.779 - Just a spare part, and I don't think he becomes anything more than that, but he's a pretty useful spare part. Every major league team needs guys like this, who can do a little bit of everything, and who you don't mind putting into the game to rest a regular. Not a ton of pop, but he did hit 9 homers in 484 plate appearances in the minors last year.

Barnes (26) - 24.0 ip, 2.63 era, 1.46 whip, 8.6 k/9 - Looks like Barnes is much more suited for a bullpen role than a starting role. 97 mph fastball, if he spots well, can be pretty effective.

Smith (26) - Now dealing with TJ surgery, which is very unfortunate. Tons of talent, just hope he gets back for 2017 at some point (probably post-ASB) and regains his effectiveness, because he is a very good reliever (2.31 era, 1.01 whip, 11.8 k/9 last year).

Rodriguez (23) - Just returned from the DL, after a very successful season last year with Boston (10-6, 3.85 era), he threw 6 innings of 2-run ball last night in Baltimore in his season debut. Just looks like he has all the tools to be a top-end starter in the majors for years to come.


Still prospects....

Light (26) - Power arm in the bullpen, 3.12 era, 1.21 whip, 10.9 k/9 in AAA this year. Could develop into another very useful reliever at the major league level. I'd anticipate seeing more of him in Boston this year at some point.

Moncada (21) - .295/.424/.457/.881 in A+ Salem. Mega prospect. Can't wait for this kid to get to the majors.

Benintendi (21) - .311/.378/.497/.875 in two levels of the minors this year. Another potential star in the making.

Espinoza (17) - Has the Sox drooling.

Devers (19) - Huge potential.

Travis (22) - Now injured, sadly, but has been hitting well in the minors this year.

Chavis (20) - Hitting a whopping .356/.415/.576/.992 at single-A Greenville so far.


I just don't recall a time when the Red Sox were bursting with so much young talent like they are now. And this doesn't get into other guys who are older than 26 but younger than 30.
 

smastroyin

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I moved this to keep the Xander and Mookie thread about those two guys.

Just for the record, Chavis is still injured as well. He supposedly resumed baseball activity two weeks ago, but still hasn't been activated or gotten into a game. Since it's the thumb, I assume they are being cautious, but I would think there is a range of outcomes here that stretch from him missing most of this season to him playing within a week. There really has not been a lot of info on him lately.
 

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This is fun.

But where's the cut-off? Is it 'under 26', or '26 and younger' as you have in the second sentence? If the latter, where's Travis Shaw?
 

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How about just add a blurb on Travis Shaw instead of complaining?

The question on what to expect going forward from Shaw is interesting. There are tons of theories on why he would be better in the majors than the minors, but they are just theories. And, his BB rate has stayed the same between AAA (where he has been generally awful) and the majors, while his K rate has gone up in the majors (not unexpected). His current BABIP of .376 is probably not sustainable - he's never done it in any stop other than a 73 PA sample in the AFL and based on his history we would expect something more like a .310. It's possible that the power is real and there's just something about the IL that suppressed his power (or he just slumped). Still, add that up and he's probably closer to the guy he was over the full season last year (270/327/487) than the guy he has been this year (sitting now at 292/358/508) unless he brings his BB% back in line with what he did in the lower minors. In fact if he doesn't improve his BB and K's I would consider that line last year to be his upside projection with a real chance the bottom could fall out again. That said, I also expect him to improve on his discipline numbers with more development and experience.
 

BaseballJones

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Completely forgot to mention Shaw. Geez, what a goof!

Shaw (26) - .292/.358/.508/.866 - Plays a solid 3b and 1b, and can fill in in LF if needed. Has proven to have a quality MLB bat. I don't think he has a really high ceiling, but he's an above average player making peanuts and under team control for many more years. Great guy to have on the team.
 

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The question on what to expect going forward from Shaw is interesting. There are tons of theories on why he would be better in the majors than the minors, but they are just theories. And, his BB rate has stayed the same between AAA (where he has been generally awful) and the majors, while his K rate has gone up in the majors (not unexpected). His current BABIP of .376 is probably not sustainable - he's never done it in any stop other than a 73 PA sample in the AFL and based on his history we would expect something more like a .310. It's possible that the power is real and there's just something about the IL that suppressed his power (or he just slumped). Still, add that up and he's probably closer to the guy he was over the full season last year (270/327/487) than the guy he has been this year (sitting now at 292/358/508) unless he brings his BB% back in line with what he did in the lower minors. In fact if he doesn't improve his BB and K's I would consider that line last year to be his upside projection with a real chance the bottom could fall out again. That said, I also expect him to improve on his discipline numbers with more development and experience.
I'm inclined to think that Shaw's "career" line is a reasonable expectation (280/341/496). 117 games and 463 plate appearances is a pretty decent sample. The majors have had time to find and exploit his weaknesses and he's shown he can adjust. However unlikely that stat line is considering his minor league stats, I think those minor league numbers are close to being irrelevant at this point. He's well on his way to being an outlier.
 

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People talk about good chemistry, but that pic is terrific.

Having so many teammates having come up through the ranks together...riding the busses together over the summers...finding ways to crash for cheap in Ft Myers together each spring...and then exploding onto the scene together.

It's pretty special.

Having them all come up together must be what it was like to be an Indians fan in 1994. Didn't think I'd see as exciting a core of young players all together as that crew...but this is pretty damn close.