the 2004 ALCS, ten years later

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Also I keep forgetting with my hatred  of umpires, but for all the shit Joe West gets, he and the rest of his crew had an almost perfect series in 2004. And this was before instant replay..... What would have happened if these two calls were not overturned......?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxPNcrvR46Q
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkXPxy_e1sI
 

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I cannot believe you guys were not worried going into game 7. We were starting Derek Lowe on TWO days rest.

My stomach was is knots all day.
 
They were really long days, it felt like three and a half.
 

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A couple of thoughts about the A-Rod slap play. First, it really was a poor decision by A-Rod, because it takes Jeter out of scoring position. Shefield popped out, so no harm, but A-Rod can't see the future. In a 4-2 game, that's not insignificant. Second, I love the moment at around :52 of the video above. Tito is really in Marsh's ear, and West says something that shuts Tito up right away. The look on Tito's face is pretty funny. Once Marsh signals that he is willing to take information to reconsider his call, West essentially tells Tito to F off. Third, from the conference, it looks like West had the slap the whole way and is impatient they are even huddling. What's interesting to me about the play is that the way it was called on the field, it was obstruction. Eyechart clearly obstructs A-Rod, which should have meant A-Rod at least on second, and maybe third, and Jeter at least on third and probably home. Usually obstruction on a runner before first it's a dead ball, but Marsh let it play out. I've often suspected that West told Marsh right away what he saw, and nobody else dissented, so Marsh changed his call, but that what they were really discussing for that time was whether A-Rod's interference occurred before Eyechart's obstruction. (It did.)
 

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The memory of the slap play is an enjoyable one in retrospect, but as it was happening my level of angst was definitely greater than what I later felt during the Clark AB.  
 
It seemed to fit the mold of all the Red Sox disasters of the past...a bizarre, "never seen that before" kind of play, occurring in the later innings of a critical game, and a massive momentum changer.  Watching it live I didn't process what had actually occurred, and even if I had, I would never have dreamed that they would reverse the call.  The way Marsh's view of the play was obstructed was just the sort of thing that would happen to a "cursed" team.  And the way the ball rolled helplessly past first base and towards right field was eerily reminiscent of the Buckner play.  I was horrified and nauseated and instantly felt haunted by all the misfortunes and wasted emotional investments of the past.  During the Clark AB I was simply a maximally stressed baseball fan.
 
If Clark won the game with a home run, it would have been absolutely heartbreaking.  We would have lost when we could have won.  If the Slap play wasn't overturned and directly resulted in a Yankees win (and it would have in every season before this one), we would have lost when we genuinely should have won.  It would have felt like we were robbed and truly cursed, which would have been even worse.
 

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I was exhausted after Game 6 but strangely confident going into Game 7. When New York flew in Bucky Dent to throw out the first pitch (to Yogi Berra, IIRC) I knew the Red Sox were going to win. And what's more I think the Yankees knew it as well. Reaching into their past for for their banjo-hitting hero of 1978 was their Kolberg moment - a shiny piece of propaganda that had no power to change the coming reality...
 

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Rewatching the slap play is just as exhilarating now as it was frought with tension back then. As noted above, this looked just like all the other plays throughout this rivalry that never seemed to break our way. It was the Gods , looking at mystique and aura on one side and A-roid on the other and telling NY that the suck of A-roid was more than mystique and aura could handle.

What's interesting to me is that every time I see that clip I say, "he's such an a-hole" about 75 times every time. Anyone else?

Edit: typo
 

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I don't think anyone who says they were not worried is remembering accurately. 86, for one was way closer. Hell in 03 we had game 7 in the bag. The night before was the Clark at bat. Who was going to pitch? Foulke was out. Damon got thrown out, and it never gets mentioned , but he looked safe. Sure Ortiz homered instantly, and after that the Yankees unraveled. But, if you say you were not having "here we go again" thoughts after Damon went out, well I don't believe you.
 
Also game 1 of the series was a fucking mess. 4 errors blew a big lead, etc.
 
Up until Renteria went out I had a small worry that they would become the 2nd team to blow a 3-0 lead. BNut generally after Schilling won game 2 I expected PEdro and Lowe to do well against a team that had not seen them much or at all.
 

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I was super anxious and excited for Game 7, but I also felt very confident. (And I was 23 in 1986 and crushed. Though I was more crushed by 2003. I had more invested by that point.)
 
Going through 2003, seeing and feeling that as the worst thing I had suffered as a Red Sox fan, helped enormously in 2004. I knew absolutely nothing could happen that could make me feel worse, so that helped me feel confident.
 

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soxhop411 said:
Also I keep forgetting with my hatred  of umpires, but for all the shit Joe West gets, he and the rest of his crew had an almost perfect series in 2004. And this was before instant replay..... What would have happened if these two calls were not overturned......?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxPNcrvR46Q
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkXPxy_e1sI
 
For all the crap we've given Tim McCarver on this board, kudos to him for getting it right almost immediately.
 
Also, freaking Joe Torre - he sits like a bump on a log in the dugout until A-Rod is ruled on and then he goes into full haywire mode?  Eff him.
 

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I don't believe anyone who claims they weren't worried when Damon got thrown out at home in Game 7.
 
I mean, I felt a lot better a minute later, but that sucked. 
 

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I don't believe anyone who claims they weren't worried when Damon got thrown out at home in Game 7.
 
I mean, I felt a lot better a minute later, but that sucked. 
I finally got around to re-watching game 7 last night and I'm telling you, a surge of anxiety shot through me when Pedro came out and promptly started getting whacked around.  It happened so fast, and I'm still surprised he didn't get yanked after he gave up that third hit. That crowd completely shot to life.  I wasn't at the game, but it sure seemed like those fans absolutely expected to come back and I was inclined to agree with them at the time.  I'm amazed that anyone can say they weren't getting nervous at that point.  To Pedro's credit, he really reached back and rallied to snuff out the rally (McCarver said he hit 96 or 97 at one point).  I'd forgotten how that inning fizzled for the Yankees fairly quickly.

I consider the 7th inning of game 7 to be the Yankees' Battle of the Bulge moment:  A final desperate effort to turn the tide where they inflicted some damage and briefly scored a stunning blow, but was ultimately destined to fail since they were running on fumes.
 

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And Jeter, shaking his head and repeatedly giving the safe signal like he was so sure. He didn't even see the play 
I've always thought Jeter was kind of an overly self-aware douche, but I give him a pass on this.  He didn't see the play and couldn't have known what ARod had done, and he was simply rooting for the call to go his team's way.
 
Edit:  but it's exactly this sort of head shaking in front of the camera that made him seem like an overly self-aware douche, so you're right.
 

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I've always thought Jeter was kind of an overly self-aware douche, but I give him a pass on this.  He didn't see the play and couldn't have known what ARod had done, and he was simply rooting for the call to go his team's way.
 
Edit:  but it's exactly this sort of head shaking in front of the camera that made him seem like an overly self-aware douche, so you're right.
When in doubt, assume the MFY player is being a douche.
 

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I am convinced there was some type of unofficial replay used. Somebody in the stands could get a text and give a visual signal. I don't think MLB wanted the drama to be decided by a botched call.
 

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soxhop411 said:
Also I keep forgetting with my hatred  of umpires, but for all the shit Joe West gets, he and the rest of his crew had an almost perfect series in 2004. And this was before instant replay..... What would have happened if these two calls were not overturned......?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxPNcrvR46Q
 
 
 
Tito was on that like a duck on a snail. Watching in real time on TV, the slap wasn't obvious, at least to me. Didn't have the big screen HD TV yet though. That play and the Bellhorn home run decision were like getting out of jail after a good part of 86 years for me. 
 
As for Jeter's fist pump, fuck him.
 

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I don't think anyone who says they were not worried is remembering accurately. 86, for one was way closer. Hell in 03 we had game 7 in the bag. The night before was the Clark at bat. Who was going to pitch? Foulke was out. Damon got thrown out, and it never gets mentioned , but he looked safe. Sure Ortiz homered instantly, and after that the Yankees unraveled. But, if you say you were not having "here we go again" thoughts after Damon went out, well I don't believe you.
 
 
I don't think anyone has said this.  In fact, when Damon was thrown out at the plate (and yes, he looked safe to me) I remember feeling exactly the emotions you describe.  But the Ortiz HR coming right after that play was huge; it allowed me to hit the reset button for my emotions before they went to the dark place. 
 
I lived through all the Sox failures from the early 70s on and I understand those who weren't comfortable until the very last out, but things were different for me in game 7 and I am thankful I was not wrong.  
 

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For all the crap we've given Tim McCarver on this board, kudos to him for getting it right almost immediately.
 
Also, freaking Joe Torre - he sits like a bump on a log in the dugout until A-Rod is ruled on and then he goes into full haywire mode?  Eff him.
 
Best part of watching that video after all these years is listening to the announcers heap ever-increasing amounts of scorn on A-Rod as they show the play again and again.
 
soxhop411 said:
Also I keep forgetting with my hatred  of umpires, but for all the shit Joe West gets, he and the rest of his crew had an almost perfect series in 2004. And this was before instant replay..... What would have happened if these two calls were not overturned......?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxPNcrvR46Q
 
Man, that's beautiful still. Also good on McCarver for noting the role that Tito played in making sure there was an immediate umpiring conference.
 
It's too bad he was so insufferable early in the series. I literally could not listen to him after the "WebMD Red Sox Fan Broken Heart" and switched to the SAP button. No, I do not speak anymore than a couple words of spanish.
 

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Man, that's beautiful still. Also good on McCarver for noting the role that Tito played in making sure there was an immediate umpiring conference.
 
It's too bad he was so insufferable early in the series. I literally could not listen to him after the "WebMD Red Sox Fan Broken Heart" and switched to the SAP button. No, I do not speak anymore than a couple words of spanish.
 
Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but I thought Joe Buck was the one who read off the premature WebMD Injury Report earlier in the series. 
 
Regardless, I can guarantee you that no one in the booth had anything to do with it.   That was a production fuck up at Fox.  The announcers just read what the producer tells them while the graphic shows up on screen.
 

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I love that Jeter had to go back to first. It ended up worse for the Yankees than it would have if A-Rod wasn't an asshat and  just got tagged out. 
 
I love Arroyo at 5:01
"Did seriously no one see that?!"
 

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In real time it was so harrowing.  The panic when it looked like Arroyo was indecisive about flipping to Eyechart and then the ball trickling behind first base (as the poster above noted, like the Buckner ball) and Jeter with that fucking fist pump rounding third.  The slap was not at all obvious on TV and even after the replay the Tim Tschida call in '99 was too fresh to think that the umps would actually get it right.  It just seemed like we were fucked.  Again. 
 
And then the dawning glory of realizing that the umps were going to fix it.  The *classy* Torre with the fingerpointing.  Balls being tossed onto the field by the spoiled, entitled MFY fans.  The "fuck you Jeter" moment at 3:55.  And, of course, A-Rod revealed for the fraud that he is.  His "natural running motion."  Still makes me laugh. 
 
SoSH the next day (and throughout those four days) was amazing.  "Slappy McBluelips" was coined (by Nip?).  Perfect. 
 

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I sometimes imagine Yankee fans asking "what if Loazia started?"

Underrated moment for me is Ocab's intensity on the sac fly scoring Trot. It is just like Jeter in game 3.

Also the slap play is used in self serving way as the dominant memory of Arod by Yankees fans, not the drug fueled 09 title he won for them.
 

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I don't believe anyone who claims they weren't worried when Damon got thrown out at home in Game 7.
 
I mean, I felt a lot better a minute later, but that sucked. 
 
Didn't even see the home run until the replay. I was mad and walked out of the room to get a beer after Damon was thrown out. 
 
When Pedro got roughed up I knew either he'd pull through or he'd get taken out. 
 
The fan in me wants one more post-season with Papi. Even if he doesn't have a mega-moment like 2004 or 2013, watching Papi in the post-season has been the best thing about being a Sox fan these past few years, at least for me. It's an entirely selfish position to have after how fortunate we've been, but i'd like to see him in his element.
 

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The difference in the two situations - depending on how the umps ruled - that could have resulted is enormous.
 
Yes Interference: 8th inning, Boston 4-2, 2 outs, man on first
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No Interference: 8th inning, Boston 4-3, 1 out, man on second
 

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It's easy to forget how terrifying the A-Rod at bat was before he hit the ground ball. After Belhorn's home run, the Sox were pretty tame at the plate, making like ten or so outs in a row at one point. Schilling was great, but our bullpen was shot and it felt like it went from 4-0 to 4-2 pretty quickly. A-Rod wasn't playoff ineffectual asshole A-Rod quite yet. He was having a great year and season. Suddenly he was the tying run in a game that had seemed in control where extra innings would have been rough. That's why that play was so amazing. It went from oh no to phew to fuck to phew to haha in five minutes.
 

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Same here. Once it was 6-0, I was as calm as still water. Even with the Pedro appearance. I knew it simply would not matter.
Not me. I mean, I was happy to be up 6-0, but there was still tons of time for NY to chip away.

One of the biggest moments for me was Bellhorn's homer in the 8th. NY had scored twice in the bottom of the seventh and the toilet was rocking. Bellhorn's finger off the foul pole was, as Francesca would say, Yuuuuuuge.
 

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...It went from oh no to phew to fuck to phew to haha in five minutes.
 
That sums it up beautifully.
 
As far as the varying accounts of people's certainly and uncertainly about game 7, the truth is that many of us are probably half right and half misremembering.  There are very interesting studies on human nature and memory that show how we convince ourselves that we predicted past events much more accurately than we actually do.  Typically, we consider multiple possibilities and believe each of them strongly when considering them, then fixate on the "correct" prediction memories afterwards.
 
I think a lot of us felt the way I did, which was "this genuinely feels different, this has to be our year, all the breaks are going our way for the first time, this is Destiny unfolding" and simultaneously, "I've been certain about things before and been wrong, maybe this is just a set up for a new level of heartbreak, anything can happen and any non-zero chance of losing means that it's possible and I won't be comfortable until that last out is recorded".  Combining the glorious outcome with the first memory creates a very strong and convincing belief of certainty about our victory even before it was official.  We all felt both.
 

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soxhop411 said:
Also I keep forgetting with my hatred  of umpires, but for all the shit Joe West gets, he and the rest of his crew had an almost perfect series in 2004. And this was before instant replay..... What would have happened if these two calls were not overturned......?
 
(2 youtube clips that I won't make you scroll past since you're already seeing them multiple times in this thread)
 
Joe West also got the Dave Roberts steal call right, which I'd say wasn't easy without slo-mo replays. If he gets that call wrong, which would have been understandable, this thread likely doesn't exist.
 

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I remember a friend of mine coaxing me out to the bar for game four--I told her it was like going to a wake, but she insisted. So we went. When Ortiz went deep in the 12th, I allowed myself a small ray of hope, because if they won game five, they'd go back to New York in the same position they were in the previous year, and this time there was no Grady Little to fuck things up.
 
Because I was a political consultant at the time and it was an election year, I was in the office for almost all of game five, but by the 10th inning or so, I got tired of watching the game on my tiny office TV, so I raced home to watch the rest of the game. That Ortiz walk-off single was really one of the most epic at-bats in Red Sox playoff history. What was it--ten pitches before he connected?
 
At the end of game six, my then-roommate asked if I needed some of his baby aspirin (heart conditions ran in his family) to head off a heart attack. I think he was kidding...maybe.
 

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Man, that's beautiful still. Also good on McCarver for noting the role that Tito played in making sure there was an immediate umpiring conference.
 
It's too bad he was so insufferable early in the series. I literally could not listen to him after the "WebMD Red Sox Fan Broken Heart" and switched to the SAP button. No, I do not speak anymore than a couple words of spanish.
 
Before this series, I was always fully convinced the national announcers were biased a) against the Red Sox and b) in favor of the Yankees.  National media outlets based in NY and all that. The key moments of 2004, in real time and especially in retrospect, show the simpler truth: they are biased in favor of the story they want to tell.  That year, up until the bottom of the 9th in game 4, that story was, "Loser team has hopes, winner team crushes them, same as it ever was."  Exemplified by the execrable WebMD report. But then the storyline shifted, to "Sox aren't going down without a fight," then to "they're making this an actual series."  By the slap play, the narrative had become "the Yankees have fallen apart."  Which, obviously, is a narrative I liked a lot more.  So maybe announcers like McCarver always provided an amount of insight, but only if you were on board with the story they were telling.
 
As for emotions, I can still hear the groan of despair my roommate let out when the ball trickled behind first.  I was in stunned silence.  How did we ever survive these games?
 

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I like this one, though I believe it tends to somewhat diminish the accomplishments of the Red Sox to charge the Yankees with choking. Well, in retrospect, they did gag up mightily in Game 7:
 

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I've posted this before, but I legit thought that I was having a heart attack during that at bat. It feels stupid to say now, but at that point in my life nothing had ever scared me as much as that at bat did. I was SURE Clark was going to become the next Boone/Dent. God damn it's even stressful to talk about now. 
Me three. I was at the bar my family owned and behaving/looking insane. The rapid decrease in adrenaline after the K physically hurt me.
 

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I am convinced there was some type of unofficial replay used. Somebody in the stands could get a text and give a visual signal. I don't think MLB wanted the drama to be decided by a botched call.
 
On the above question, I have been told by someone who has some connections to MLB that there is (or at least was, before actual replay) a person representing MLB who sits near the field, is in contact with MLB central where they have replay capability, and sends signals to the crew chief.  I have zero idea if this is actually true, and imagine others here will have a view, but since the idea of an 'unofficial replay' was raised, it's something I have heard.
 
On the crew itself, I'm glad they had the humility to meet and get it right...that often doesn't happen (Jeffrey Maier and the Knoblauch/Offerman play say hi).  But, let's remember also that Joe West's crew had to blow two obvious calls initially in order to be able to reverse them later.  A really good crew wouldn't have blown those to begin with, especially the Bellhorn homer was was a fireable-bad call initially (at least the ARod one was moving quickly and had a screening issue).
 

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 But, let's remember also that Joe West's crew had to blow two obvious calls initially in order to be able to reverse them later.  A really good crew wouldn't have blown those to begin with, especially the Bellhorn homer was was a fireable-bad call initially (at least the ARod one was moving quickly and had a screening issue).
 
I can't stand Country Joe, but in fairness to him, Randy Marsh was the crew chief.
 

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PedroKsBambino said:
 
On the crew itself, I'm glad they had the humility to meet and get it right...that often doesn't happen (Jeffrey Maier and the Knoblauch/Offerman play say hi).  But, let's remember also that Joe West's crew had to blow two obvious calls initially in order to be able to reverse them later.  A really good crew wouldn't have blown those to begin with, especially the Bellhorn homer was was a fireable-bad call initially (at least the ARod one was moving quickly and had a screening issue).
 
Officiating mechanics really changed between the 1996 Jeffrey Maier play and 2004, probably to some extent because of that play.  It's ingrained in umps that if you're the primary, it's your call.  It's nobody else's call, and the second an umpire starts expecting that it might be someone else's call, he's toast.  I think there is probably something to this.  And it's particularly understandable when you think that many of these guys got their chops umpiring in 3 and even 2 man set ups.  The idea is that if your mechanics are sound, nobody will have a better look than you.  And so, for many years, the dogma was that unless you simply did not see something, you never ask for help.  And, no matter how badly you disagree with your partner's call, you bite your lip.
 
This actually persists to this day -- except sometimes in the case of replay.  That's why, even when umps huddle, the final call is always that of the primary umpire.  It's kind of semantics, but it's never the case that another ump "overrules" the first ump or anything like that.  It's the primary's call the whole way -- and the only question is whether others have information that he might like to take into account in deciding whether to change his own call.  So, in the A-Rod play, you see that Marsh is the one who ultimately makes the call.  And in the Belhorn HR, it's Joyce who calls it a HR after the huddle.  There were two changes, though, that happened before the 2004 playoffs -- the first kind of revolutionary and the second subtle.  The first was that as coverage and tv angles got better and umps were more under the gun, they were encouraged to seek additional "information" from their partners if they thought it would be helpful, even in cases in which they weren't blocked.  Still, though, there was a macho thing going on here, and this didn't happen very often even when an ump was feeling unsure.  The more subtle change is that it began to be acceptable for an umpire's partners to learn ways to transmit that they had more "information" to their partners, and for the primary ump to seek a conference when that happened.  This went against pretty deeply ingrained umpiring dogma, where partners were just supposed to be silent.  It's hard to see everything that happens on these videos, but remember the Kozma play in last year's world series, for example, and it was pretty clear that two of the umps made it very clear very quickly to the 2nd base ump they had info for him.  But where you can really see the shift is by comparing video of the Maier play and the Belhorn home run in game 6.  You can see that Joyce is initially certain of his call on the Belhorn HR.  He's adamant in fact (which is messed up, because he seemed to have great position).  It looks as though he's even telling Tito he's not going to seek help.  What happens next happens off screen, but it's not a huge leap to assume that one of his colleagues gave him the signal that he had additional info and they needed to talk.  You just wouldn't have seen this a few years earlier.
 

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I was a 2nd year medical student. I didn't make it a secret I was a Red Sox fan- what a horrible time.  I remember after game 3, I went for a drive- I told my then girlfriend I needed to drive, and she could come with me if she wanted. We drove in silence for 15 minutes, and I broke it with- "I don't know why I care so much about 25 guys that don't know I exist." It was such a bad sports night. Had an exam the next day, and was sitting outside of the lecture hall, reviewing some last minute notes. One of my professors walked by and started chanting "19-18, 19-18"- great. Fantastic.
 
Then it all turned. I stayed up for Game 4, alone, sitting on the couch. I was hoping.
Game 5 watched with some friends.
Game 6 with more friends.
And Game 7, at the bar, having a blast.  
 
Man I will never forget that. And I don't miss "19-18" being chanted. There was no comeback to that one. 
 

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Man I will never forget that. And I don't miss "19-18" being chanted. There was no comeback to that one. 
 
It depends who's saying it.  I've gone to a lot of Red Sox road games and I used to get that from random dipshits in places it had no business being uttered.  I had a guy who was chanting "1918" at a Mariners game.  Not a random Yankees fan, he was in full Mariners gear.  I was incredulous.  So when he stopped I started chanting back at him in the same rhythm:
 
"At least they've been there"
"When was your year?"
"I can't hear you"
"You're a moron"
 
But yes, there was really nothing to give a Yankees fan back but the old double freedom rockets.
 

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It feels like yesterday in many ways.
 
I gave up on game 3 when it got out of hand.  But by first pitch of game 4, I was back.  Like most, I was hoping to see the team put up a fight and maybe win one.
 
I watched the beginning of game 5 at home and listened to a couple of innings on the way to the recording studio, where I was meeting up with my band and the engineer.  The studio is on the same land with the engineer’s home, and I was pleasantly surprised to be invited inside to watch the game with his mother, wife, and daughter.  One by one, the engineer, and each member of my band arrived and took a seat in the living room.  Inning after inning went by, with now 8 of us glued intently to the TV.  When we celebrated the win right around midnight, we decided to at least go down and lay down vocals for one song.  I had only known that one of them was a Sox fan before that evening.  After that game, I had hope.
 
I second the idea of Clark’s at bat as being the most stressful.  As crazy as games 4 and 5 were, I thought that I was having a heart attack during that entire at bat.  After the strikeout, it was a "sobby" moment.  It was just pure happiness.  Nothing was “over” yet, but holy shit.  I thought to myself that Clark’s out was the out that we couldn’t get so many times before.  This year was different.  
 

JohntheBaptist

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Game 3 was so bad that I took off my hat and whipped it at the wall so hard you could see the mark until I moved out of the apartment a couple years later, followed by the sound drawing my then-girlfriend into the room for a frank discussion about whether I should step away from baseball fan-dom for my own sanity. Super fun conversation to have at that exact moment.
 
I mean, that was textbook rock-bottom all the way around.
 

Rough Carrigan

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2004 ALCS game 7 playing on MLB network right now.  They're about to go to the 9th.  They had a series of quick cuts to various fans in the stands all overcome by anguish.  I had a hazelnut torte in a very expensive restaurant that was probably the most delicious food I've ever had.  These slices of schadenfreude put it to shame.
 

Jeff Frye

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A great personal memory I have of this ALCS was during game 5 when the Yankees were up, my Nextel (Damn, remember those?) started blowing up with a direct connect (the walkie-talkie feature) from a random person.
 
"almost doesn't count."
 
"next year is DEFINITELY your year"
 
"Who's your daddy?"
 
A good friend of mine who is a Yankee fan gave my direct connect out to this guy, thinking he's funny. I ignored it. They stopped shortly after the Sox tied it. When Ortiz hit the bloop I sent one back saying "See ya tomorrow!" No response.
 
After Game 7, I celebrated at the bar I was at then went to a friend's to sober up enough to drive home.  I remembered I still had that number in my phone, Turns out when you watch your team squander a 3-0 lead the last thing you want is to be woken up at 2am by hearing uncontrollable laughter followed by a Let's Go Red Sox chant that lasted until the guy finally turned his phone off.
 

JohntheBaptist

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Jeff Frye said:
Turns out when you watch your team squander a 3-0 lead the last thing you want is to be woken up at 2am by hearing uncontrollable laughter followed by a Let's Go Red Sox chant that lasted until the guy finally turned his phone off.
 

 
"Exxxxxccccellent."
 
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