Super Bowl LV: Game Thread – Kansas City Chiefs @ Tompa Bay Bucs

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My wife usually doesn't watch sports but she was reading/watching at that point. I had to explain how Butler's INT was marvelously wonderful, but, the Pats had work yet to be done in avoiding a safety (explain what that is). But then, Bryan Stork's second head bob caused Bennett to react and get called offside and we get 5 marvelous yards. I think it was the head bobs anyway.
Stork knew what he was doing against Denver. The long con.
 

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Yes absolutely Butler's play was the best, most important play in NFL history. It wasn't luck. It was the perfect culmination of lots of practice, many hours of hard work just for that singular moment. It came right after one of the most ridiculous plays in Super Bowl history (the Kearse catch) after Butler himself had made a fantastic play even then (he did break up the pass after all, and then he had the ability to get Kearse out of bounds, prompting Collinsworth to say..."but they're not in...yet."). It even came a play after they tried to run Marshawn Lynch in (great stop by Hightower and Akers), and as BB made a great tactical decision to NOT call a time-out, which we now know greatly impacted the play. It stopped the Seahawks dynasty and launched a new Patriots one. It was everything you could ever ask for in a single play in terms of situation, coaching, impact, excitement, skill (I mean, watch it again - it's a huge collision...it's one thing for Butler to break it up...but he made the catch and held on even with the huge collision). Everything.

Greatest play in NFL history.
Totally agree with this. There's simply no single moment in my sports watching life that compares with the swing of the Butler play and the elation of that moment. Like others, I lost a few seconds there in utter joy and after recovering realized my friend and I had moved his couch 5-6 feet backward in celebration.

Anyway, I agree with others about SB 49 being the "greatest" Super Bowl for a combination of off-field and on-field drama.

The Carroll/Wilson/Lynch/Legion of Boom Seahawks were at the peak of their powers, while that season's Patriots came in with what I think of as the signature roster of the "2nd dynasty" era: healthy Gronk and Edelman, Amendola, Revis, Wilfork, Chandler Jones, Hightower, McCourty, Ninko, Chung in his first year back. The Deflategate nonsense was mainstream national news and may have raised the profile of the game -- I believe it still holds the record for largest average viewership in Super Bowl (TV?) history at 114 million as well as highest household rating and share.

In the game itself, the 1st half featured a red zone INT, four TD drives, and a thrilling (if infuriating) Seahawks drive right before halftime to tie it at 14-14. The 3rd quarter started to look like a boring Seahawks win, and then the 4th quarter was cinematic perfection, with two incredible Patriots TD drives and that final Seahawks drive, culminating, of course, in the greatest play in NFL history with 30 seconds remaining. Incredible.

Interestingly, the "greatest play" distinction is backed up by a (somewhat pseudoscientific) attempt to assign Super Bowl win probability change here. That analysis lists the Top 5 as:
1) Butler INT (Pats/Seahawks 2014) (Note that it's almost double the value of any other individual plays)
2) Wide Right (Giants/Bills 1990)
3) Holmes 40-yard catch to get to Arizona 6 with 1:00 left (Steelers/Cards 2008) (I found this surprising -- the Steelers were already at the 50 with plenty of time left. Obviously the actual level of difficulty of the subsequent Holmes TD catch isn't included in the pure statistical probability shift)
4) Helmet Catch (Scottish Game, 2007)
5) Riggins 43-yard TD run on 4th & 1 with Washington trailing 17-13 (Washington/Dolphins, 1982)
 

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My recollection of Malcolm Go was that I just slumped to my knees and screamed silently for about a minute whilst violently fist pumping.
 

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My recollection of Malcolm Go was that I just slumped to my knees and screamed silently for about a minute whilst violently fist pumping.
My son, brother-in-law, and I pig-piled on each other like kindergarteners looped up on Kool-Aid at recess.
 

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The Butler play was truly an alteration in the timeline.

After 2004, the Pats were snakebit. Brutal losses in the playoffs(Colts 2006, Jets 2010) ended what could have been great seasons. 2006, in particular, was one of the worst Pats losses in history. I'm still not over that one. That was an Atlanta in the super bowl level of failure.

And, of course, the boogeyman Giants, with game shifting plays of insanity in the Super Bowl, like the Helmet catch or the dropped INT or Mario Manningham or Welker dropping a ball he catches 9 out of 10 times. The Pats were not just snake bit, they were embarrassingly so, losing in the most absurd of ways, in very highly publicized games. And then after coming back against the Seahawks in the 4th quarter of an incredible game, that Kearse play happens and that was the most ridiculous of them all. At least the helmet catch was a catch. Kearse was just a bouncing ball of nonsense that somehow dropped into Kearse's fucking stomach. Come on.

And, yet, it was a catch and the Seahawks were going to win because of another nonsensical play in the Super Bowl, so people could add the Kearse to the Helmet and the Mario in their Patriot burn book. And then enter Malcolm Butler. And all the narratives are forever changed. I believe the fact that we're actually in a simulation became somewhat apparent that night. And then the Cavs won in 2016. And the Cubs won in 2016, too. And then Trump, a month later. And then 28-3. And the Eagles. And then the Nationals. Each one more improbable than the last, upending 100s of years of history.

So now we're clearly in a simulation and you just have to hope the programmers are benevolent for the long term.
 

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The Butler play was truly an alteration in the timeline.

After 2004, the Pats were snakebit. Brutal losses in the playoffs(Colts 2006, Jets 2010) ended what could have been great seasons. 2006, in particular, was one of the worst Pats losses in history. I'm still not over that one. That was an Atlanta in the super bowl level of failure.

And, of course, the boogeyman Giants, with game shifting plays of insanity in the Super Bowl, like the Helmet catch or the dropped INT or Mario Manningham or Welker dropping a ball he catches 9 out of 10 times. The Pats were not just snake bit, they were embarrassingly so, losing in the most absurd of ways, in very highly publicized games. And then after coming back against the Seahawks in the 4th quarter of an incredible game, that Kearse play happens and that was the most ridiculous of them all. At least the helmet catch was a catch. Kearse was just a bouncing ball of nonsense that somehow dropped into Kearse's fucking stomach. Come on.

And, yet, it was a catch and the Seahawks were going to win because of another nonsensical play in the Super Bowl, so people could add the Kearse to the Helmet and the Mario in their Patriot burn book. And then enter Malcolm Butler. And all the narratives are forever changed. I believe the fact that we're actually in a simulation became somewhat apparent that night. And then the Cavs won in 2016. And the Cubs won in 2016, too. And then Trump, a month later. And then 28-3. And the Eagles. And then the Nationals. Each one more improbable than the last, upending 100s of years of history.

So now we're clearly in a simulation and you just have to hope the programmers are benevolent for the long term.
Collinsworth’s cackling with glee after the Kearse play followed by his outright disdain for the Malcolm play call will always stick with me. He was 100% a Seahawks fan in those moments. Like, he was legitimately angry with the play call.

Going from downright despair to Brady joining Montana followed by clowning on Goodell who would have been so smug had Seattle won...just an absolute blast and what sports is all about.
 

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Collinsworth had every right to “cackle” (I don’t know that that’s the right word) after the Kearse play. It was one of the most absurd, amazing, ridiculous plays in NFL history. I mean Troy Aikman did the same thing when Edelman made his catch in the Atlanta Super Bowl.

And he also should have expressed disbelief at the play call. 99.8% of football fans watching couldn’t believe it either.
 

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Collinsworth had every right to “cackle” (I don’t know that that’s the right word) after the Kearse play. It was one of the most absurd, amazing, ridiculous plays in NFL history. I mean Troy Aikman did the same thing when Edelman made his catch in the Atlanta Super Bowl.

And he also should have expressed disbelief at the play call. 99.8% of football fans watching couldn’t believe it either.
Nah, he was enjoying the Pats' demise a bit too much. The same guy who went on about Brady looking him in his eyes. It was personal.
 

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I think most fans think the announcers are rooting for the other team.
Hard to ignore the context of Collinsworth’s FOURTH QUARTER rehashes of Deflategate when assessing his comments, or his chastising of the Pats players who responded to Bruce Irvin going apeshit on the kneel down post offsides call.
 

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I thought his Deflategate comments were his way of giving Brady some props. He gave Brady a chance to speak about it and Brady was resolute, looking him "in the eyes" and saying in no uncertain terms that nothing nefarious happened. But again, YMMV.
 

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Anyways, if I have to read another time about how Steve Spagnulo is some kind of significant X factor in defending Brady....

Get pressure with an amazing four man pass rush that goes like 5 deep (Tuck, Strahan, Osi, Robbins, Kiwanuka) that predominantly collapses the pocket through the A and B gaps. What other mastermind could think of this sorcery??!
 

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Other than the Puppy Bowl, are there any parallel SB events? Especially if only confined during the halftime?
 

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Anyways, if I have to read another time about how Steve Spagnulo is some kind of significant X factor in defending Brady....

Get pressure with an amazing four man pass rush that goes like 5 deep (Tuck, Strahan, Osi, Robbins, Kiwanuka) that predominantly collapses the pocket through the A and B gaps. What other mastermind could think of this sorcery??!
Also have Brady in a walking boot in the week of the game, restricting his ability to move laterally and evade the rush.
 

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Also have Brady in a walking boot in the week of the game, restricting his ability to move laterally and evade the rush.
And have Mankins playing on a torn ACL and going up against Tuck.

Keep in mind just how good a pass-rusher Justin Tuck was. Over a 7-year span, he had sack totals of 10 (2007), 12 (2008), 11.5 (2010), and 11 (2013). He was a monster.

Also, Umeniyora had 13 sacks in 2007, 14.5 in 2005, and 11.5 in 2010. Strahan wasn't at his peak at that point (2007 was his last year) but even then he registered 9 sacks in 2007, after having monster seasons in 1997 (14 sacks), 1998 (15 sacks), 2001 (22.5 sacks), 2002 (11 sacks), and 2003 (18.5 sacks). And even Robbins that year had 5.5 sacks (which would have led the 2020 Patriots, btw). So the Giants were the ONE team that could rush four - especially against a depleted offensive line (Mankins had the torn ACL and Neal was injured too) and a gimpy Tom Brady. And even with all that, the frigging Giants only won by 3 stupid points. Grrrrrrrrr....
 

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Anyways, if I have to read another time about how Steve Spagnulo is some kind of significant X factor in defending Brady....

Get pressure with an amazing four man pass rush that goes like 5 deep (Tuck, Strahan, Osi, Robbins, Kiwanuka) that predominantly collapses the pocket through the A and B gaps. What other mastermind could think of this sorcery??!
I really do hate stupid sports narratives. Steve Spagnuolo got 2 cracks at Brady in 2007. In the first one, Brady went 32-42 for 356 yards 2 TDs for a rating of 116.8. Brady did whatever he wanted on that Spags D. Then, you get to the Scottish Game where Brady is clearly hobbled with his ankle injury that required him to wear a boot in NYC.

If you want a goat from those 2 games, it's Laurence Maroney who combined to go 33 for 82 (putrid 2.5 YPC), which forced Josh to rely on the passing game. Who knows what a little more balance could have yielded.
 

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I thought his Deflategate comments were his way of giving Brady some props. He gave Brady a chance to speak about it and Brady was resolute, looking him "in the eyes" and saying in no uncertain terms that nothing nefarious happened. But again, YMMV.
Totally disagree. His comments during the game (and Al Michaels didn't cover himself in glory, either):

"Look me in the eye," Collinsworth said he told Brady, "and tell me, 'Did you have anything to do with footballs being deflated?' He said, 'Absolutely not.'"

But hearing Brady answer Costas with mostly dodges and non-denials got Collinsworth worked up. "I honestly after hearing that have more doubts now" about Brady's role in the controversy, Collinsworth said. "I think the league is opening up a can of worms, and I think they're about to find some worms."

Michaels said if Brady is implicated in the NFL's findings, "he'll have about as complicated a legacy as any name player in NFL history."

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And have Mankins playing on a torn ACL and going up against Tuck.

Keep in mind just how good a pass-rusher Justin Tuck was. Over a 7-year span, he had sack totals of 10 (2007), 12 (2008), 11.5 (2010), and 11 (2013). He was a monster.

Also, Umeniyora had 13 sacks in 2007, 14.5 in 2005, and 11.5 in 2010. Strahan wasn't at his peak at that point (2007 was his last year) but even then he registered 9 sacks in 2007, after having monster seasons in 1997 (14 sacks), 1998 (15 sacks), 2001 (22.5 sacks), 2002 (11 sacks), and 2003 (18.5 sacks). And even Robbins that year had 5.5 sacks (which would have led the 2020 Patriots, btw). So the Giants were the ONE team that could rush four - especially against a depleted offensive line (Mankins had the torn ACL and Neal was injured too) and a gimpy Tom Brady. And even with all that, the frigging Giants only won by 3 stupid points. Grrrrrrrrr....
Agreed. Just one thing, though: Mankins had the torn ACL in the '11 Super Bowl, not in '07.
 

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I really do hate stupid sports narratives. Steve Spagnuolo got 2 cracks at Brady in 2007. In the first one, Brady went 32-42 for 356 yards 2 TDs for a rating of 116.8. Brady did whatever he wanted on that Spags D. Then, you get to the Scottish Game where Brady is clearly hobbled with his ankle injury that required him to wear a boot in NYC.

If you want a goat from those 2 games, it's Laurence Maroney who combined to go 33 for 82 (putrid 2.5 YPC), which forced Josh to rely on the passing game. Who knows what a little more balance could have yielded.
While it’s true Maroney didn’t have good games those weeks, he also went 22-122-TD + 2 catches for 40 in the divisional win over Jacksonville, then 25-122-TD + 1 catch for 9 in the AFCCG (when Brady threw 3 picks), and he also scored one of the two TDs in the Super Bowl. He was a beast that year for the most part.
 

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Andy Reid’s kid, an assistant for KC, smashed into a car that pulled over on the highway. A 5 year old kid in the car has life-threatening injuries and Reid’s son was observed with bloodshot eyes and had the smell of alcohol on his breath. A blood draw of Reid was taken at the hospital.

https://www.kshb.com/sports/road-to-repeat/chiefs-assistant-coach-hurt-in-i-435-crash-that-injured-2-children-1-severely
Man, that is a brutal distraction for the Chiefs and Reid. I hope Brit wasn't drunk, or else he might be in some serious and deserved trouble. Just a terrible story.
 

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Man, that is a brutal distraction for the Chiefs and Reid. I hope Brit wasn't drunk, or else he might be in some serious and deserved trouble. Just a terrible story.
A five year old has life-threatening injuries and your emphasis is on the Chiefs and the "distraction?"
Very sympathetic
 

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A five year old has life-threatening injuries and your emphasis is on the Chiefs and the "distraction?"
Very sympathetic
This is the Super Bowl thread, not the "Is Andy Reid's son going to jail," thread. And I said it was terrible. I guess that wasn't enough for you but sincere thanks for the condensation. When people who always post stupid things mock me, I am inspired and impressed by the effort.
 

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This is the Super Bowl thread, not the "Is Andy Reid's son going to jail," thread. And I said it was terrible. I guess that wasn't enough for you but sincere thanks for the condensation. When people who always post stupid things mock me, I am inspired and impressed by the effort.
Only one posting about Andy Reid's son is you. No need to post jackassery towards me like you always seem to do when you get called out on a horribly insensitive take.
 

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A five year old has life-threatening injuries and your emphasis is on the Chiefs and the "distraction?"
Very sympathetic
To be fair, you forgot to offer your thoughts and prayers. Some 5 year old might die, and you’re calling out johnmd. That’s not what that little tyke would want.
 

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To be fair, you forgot to offer your thoughts and prayers. Some 5 year old might die, and you’re calling out johnmd. That’s not what that little tyke would want.
Piling on, 15 yards. (But good work.)

A side effect of the offsite Super Bowl week, is that news can actually be made off the field and away from the host city. Is this the latest unfortunate news item for a SB team since the Eugene Robinson incident?
 

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I vaguely remembered this until now...

https://www.sportscasting.com/andy-reids-life-is-unfortunately-tragic/
Britt Reid
At 22 years of age, Reid’s son Britt was sentenced to 8 to 23 months jail time plus probation. At a young age, he started using painkillers after getting hurt in a high school football game.

That led to serious drug addiction over the coming years. In 2007, he pointed a gun at someone during a case of reported road rage. He was charged with a felony of carrying a firearm without a license.

Garrett Reid

Reid’s older son, Garrett, was a known drug user and dealer. He was also sentenced to 23 months in prison in 2007 for his involvement in a car crash while under the influence of heroin use. At sentencing, he told the judge,

“I don’t want to die doing drugs. I don’t want to be that kid who was the son of the head coach of the Eagles, who was spoiled and on drugs and OD’d and just faded into oblivion.”
Sadly, Garrett was unable to beat his drug addiction and struggled for many years to overcome it. The Reid family did everything they could to support him.
In 2012, Coach Reid arranged for Garrett to work in an unofficial capacity with the Eagles strength and conditioning coaches at training camp. It was during that time that he lost his battle with drug addiction.

On August 5, 2012, he died of an accidental heroin overdose in a dorm room at the training facility at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania. He was 29 years of age.
 

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To be fair, you forgot to offer your thoughts and prayers. Some 5 year old might die, and you’re calling out johnmd. That’s not what that little tyke would want.
Don't you have a thread in P&G to clean up?
 

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Piling on, 15 yards. (But good work.)

A side effect of the offsite Super Bowl week, is that news can actually be made off the field and away from the host city. Is this the latest unfortunate news item for a SB team since the Eugene Robinson incident?
Barrett Robbins went missing the night before Bucs/Raiders and missed the game.

I think Tomase published his infamous Spygate Matt Walsh article in the Herald the Friday before the first Pats/Giants Super Bowl.
 

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Man, that is a brutal distraction for the Chiefs and Reid. I hope Brit wasn't drunk, or else he might be in some serious and deserved trouble. Just a terrible story.
From the latest version of the article at your link:
According to a search warrant filed just before midnight Thursday, a KCPD officer said they could smell "a moderate odor of alcoholic beverages" and that Britt Reid's eyes were bloodshot and red.

Britt Reid told the officer he'd had two to three drinks, according to the search warrant application. He also said said he took Adderall by prescription.
Also:
KC Police tell me as of now no charges have been brought against Britt Reid, but say driver impairment IS under investigation. Reid WILL NOT travel to Tampa on Saturday. He is currently in the hospital with undisclosed injuries and could be hospitalized for days per sources.
View: https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1357871069496037379?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
 

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Only one posting about Andy Reid's son is you. No need to post jackassery towards me like you always seem to do when you get called out on a horribly insensitive take.
I literally said it was terrible. How far must one go to show the appropriate level of sadness over something?
 

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If he admitted to 2 or 3 drinks, it’s a reasonable possibility it was more like 5-6. All before 9 PM, on the Thursday before the super bowl. And the accident occurred 1 exit down from the Chiefs facility? I wonder if he was banging them down at the office, and if so, what kind of liability the organization might have here. Doubly so if that poor child dies.
 

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If he admitted to 2 or 3 drinks, it’s a reasonable possibility it was more like 5-6. All before 9 PM, on the Thursday before the super bowl. And the accident occurred 1 exit down from the Chiefs facility? I wonder if he was banging them down at the office, and if so, what kind of liability the organization might have here. Doubly so if that poor child dies.
A friend of mine and I were talking yesterday and he said "you know who's NEVER had 2 or 3 drinks? Someone who's been pulled over and said they've had 2 or 3 drinks"
 

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For those of you using Draftkings there's an odds boost promo for "over .5 touchdowns" in the game tomorrow. Bet $10 at +100. It's $10 max but it's (presumably) free money. You need to opt in on the no brainer bets tab in the promo section.
 

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What I can’t figure. Did they draw blood? Ask for a bal test? Curious that those details aren’t in there
 

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For those of you using Draftkings there's an odds boost promo for "over .5 touchdowns" in the game tomorrow. Bet $10 at +100. It's $10 max but it's (presumably) free money. You need to opt in on the no brainer bets tab in the promo section.
Yup. I took advantage of that. They are going to make so much money off the SB that they are just trying to get people betting. They periodically do these free money bets because it’s capped so low that they know they’ll eventually get the money back.
 

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For those of you using Draftkings there's an odds boost promo for "over .5 touchdowns" in the game tomorrow. Bet $10 at +100. It's $10 max but it's (presumably) free money. You need to opt in on the no brainer bets tab in the promo section.
How do you do that? Don't you have to be in NJ to do the sportsbook part of draftkings?