Stop hoarding TP(E) - the what should the Celtics do with the TPE thread

What should the Celtics do with their TPE

  • Use it before the current season starts

    Votes: 6 5.9%
  • See what is available around the NBA trade deadline and level up for the playoffs

    Votes: 47 46.5%
  • Save it for next summer's free agent bonanza

    Votes: 48 47.5%

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The Celtics have one calendar year to use their TPE, what should they do?

Some notable 2021 free agents (some of these may also become available mid year if their teams are out of it)

Does Danny finally get Justice Winslow? :)

Chris Paul PHX PG 36 15 PO $39,932,648
LeBron James LAL SF 36 17 PO $38,328,212
Kawhi Leonard LAC SF 30 9 PO $34,379,100
Blake Griffin DET PF 32 10 PO $34,234,964
Paul George LAC SF 31 10 PO $34,227,984
Mike Conley UTH PG 33 14 UFA $30,521,115
Kyle Lowry TOR PG 35 15 UFA $30,500,000
DeMar DeRozan SAS SG 32 12 UFA $27,800,000
Otto Porter Jr. CHI SF 28 8 UFA $26,631,244
Jrue Holiday MIL PG 31 11 PO $26,361,000
Rudy Gobert UTH C 29 8 UFA $25,500,000
Andre Drummond CLE C 28 9 UFA $25,434,263
Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL PF 26 8 UFA $25,000,000
LaMarcus Aldridge SAS PF 36 15 UFA $25,000,000
Nicolas Batum CHA SG 32 13 UFA $24,000,000
Victor Oladipo IND SG 29 8 UFA $21,250,000
Bismack Biyombo CHA C 29 10 UFA $18,000,000
Goran Dragic MIA PG 35 12 CO $18,000,000
Tim Hardaway Jr. DAL SG 29 8 UFA $17,737,500
Dennis Schröder LAL PG 28 8 UFA $17,500,000
Evan Fournier ORL SG 28 9 UFA $17,000,000
Gorgui Dieng MEM C 31 8 UFA $15,700,000
Andre Iguodala MIA SF 37 16 CO $15,000,000
Kelly Oubre Jr. GSW SF 25 6 UFA $15,000,000
James Johnson OKC PF 34 12 UFA $14,431,700
Cody Zeller CHA C 28 8 UFA $14,000,000
Will Barton DEN SG 30 8 PO $13,250,000
J.J. Redick NOP SG 37 15 UFA $13,250,000
Justise Winslow MEM SF 25 5 CO $13,000,000
 
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If their teams look bad at the deadline fournier or redick would be really nice bench pieces. maybe otto porter too.
 

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If their teams look bad at the deadline fournier or redick would be really nice bench pieces. maybe otto porter too.
Yeah, those are the types who could be available in the "1st rounder to rent a pick" range. I think Porter's contract will be too big for the TPE though, and he'd also put them in the tax.

I strongly prefer losing some extra regular season games to see if a guy like the above-mentioned comes available, as opposed to taking on the corpse of Trevor Ariza (who probably isn't even much better than Grant/Semi right now).
 

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Danny may want to stay under the tax and retain some of GH's TPE for the next offseason.

a guess at potential trade deadline options: Holmes (5M), Lyles (5.5M) Bjelicia (7.15M), Rose (7.7M), PJ Tucker (8M), G.Hill (9.6M), Satoransky (10M), Dinwiddie (11.5), Nance (11.7), Mills (13.5), Gay (14.5)

The C's will have Kanters $4.8M TPE to potentially add something smaller (Melli, Josh Hart, Looney, McGee)

There will be several bad teams or teams that lose key players to injury. Owners are underwriting most of the losses to the players' benefit this season, there will be a handful of disgruntled owners with no fans in the arena and dim prospects. I don't think the play-in game gimmick is going to stop a "purgatory" team from moving short/expiring contracts for a young player or draft pick.
 
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Yeah, those are the types who could be available in the "1st rounder to rent a pick" range. I think Porter's contract will be too big for the TPE though, and he'd also put them in the tax.

I strongly prefer losing some extra regular season games to see if a guy like the above-mentioned comes available, as opposed to taking on the corpse of Trevor Ariza (who probably isn't even much better than Grant/Semi right now).
rather trade the first round pick than use it on a player that sticks on the roster for 2-3 seasons only
 

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I still dream of Rudy Gobert on this team. He would be absolutely perfect. But I wonder if they have enough value now to send back to Utah without hitting the team. Utah would really have to fall in love with two Celtics young players.
 

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I still dream of Rudy Gobert on this team. He would be absolutely perfect. But I wonder if they have enough value now to send back to Utah without hitting the team. Utah would really have to fall in love with two Celtics young players.
One of the problems with Gobert is that tax wise it's basically impossible, unless Marcus or Kemba are moved.
 

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One of the problems with Gobert is that tax wise it's basically impossible, unless Marcus or Kemba are moved.
Don't all his teammates hate him too? This is the guy who was licking door knobs in March.

I don't want him on the C's at all.
 

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I was just looking at Celtics 1st round picks since 2010

19th: Bradley gave us 7 years
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27th: JaJuan Johnson gave us 1 year, 36 games (not technically drafted by Cs)
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21st: Sully gave us 4 years
22nd: Melo gave us 6 games (RIP)
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13th: Kelly Olynyk gave us 4 years (technically not drafted by Cs)
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6th: Marcus Smart: 6+
17th: James Young gave us 3 seasons, 89 games
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16th: Rozier gave us 4 seasons
28th: RJ Hunter gave us 1 season of 36 (and a 1 game appearance in year 4)
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3rd: Jaylen Brown: 4+
16th: Yabu: 2 years of nothing
23rd: Zizic: nothing, traded as filler in Kyrie trade, hasn't done much in Cleveland.
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3rd: Jayson Tatum: 3+
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27th: Robert Williams: 2+
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14th: Langford: 1+
22nd Grant Williams: 1+
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14th: Nesmith
26th: Pritchard


That is a lot of f'n 1st round picks over the last 10 years. 18 of them. Seems like a late 1st round pick is worth about 4 years of meh and their top half lottery picks by and large worked out very well. The bottom half of the lottery all we have is KO and an incomplete.

Most 1st round picks don't get 2nd contracts from the team that drafted them unless they are max players. Some other team will overpay for them like they did Terry Rozier and KO or they just aren't very good. Of the 4 players that got 2nd contracts on the C's, 3 (Smart, Brown, Tatum) went in the top 6 and 2 are arguably max players (Brown, Tatum)

Bradley and Smart we got on relatively good deals. We signed Bradley early hoping he'd develop and Smart couldn't hit a 3 to save his life. Got lucky on Jaylen too, though less lucky.

Of the 5 1st round picks on their 1st contract, I wouldn't be surprised if none of them get a 2nd contract from the C's.
 
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Would people take Zach Lavine with the TPE if the Bulls decided to move on in the season?

I think the port cellar has a heavy bias towards defense so I'm curious. LaVine has a year left after this one too. At $18 mil, it's probably an incredibly movable contract.
 

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Would people take Zach Lavine with the TPE if the Bulls decided to move on in the season?

I think the port cellar has a heavy bias towards defense so I'm curious.
It might be tough to work out salary-wise, but.... maybe? Depends what it costs. His shot selection has improved over time, he can shoot, and I thought his defense was better (not good by any stretch) last year. I also think not great defense from guys with good size for the position is less of a killer than just size based issues. Lavine would be helped by a good team defense, where guys like Kemba and before that IT were kinds just screwed because the size mismatch meant you needed to double or just see them get posted or shot over.

If we could get him for say..... Timelord, Carsen and a pick? Sure. I think CHI is going to want a lot for him, in part because he's what they have to trade, and in part because he was a big part of the Butler trade.

If we're talking Bulls, the guys I think they want to move are:
Satoransky- he really hasn't been as good since signing there and he has 10M each of the next 2.
Thad Young- good player still, but he's overpaid and declining.

I'm not sure we're interested in either.

One guy I'd keep an eye on for in-season is a guy I don't like as a person, but makes sense for us as a player.....
Derrick Rose. He's on an expiring 7.7M deal. If the Pistons (who are likely to be bad) are looking to get something for him before he walks that makes a lot of sense. Gives you an explosive scorer who can create off the bench, doesn't make an impact on the tax this year, comes off the books next, and leaves you with a big enough TPE to still take on a lot of the guys you'd be interested in during the offseason.
 

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Looks like Lavine is actually 19.5 this year, and next. I would absolutely be all over him if he became available. He is miscast as lead scorer in CHI which has resulted in him jacking up way too many shots - but he is good.

I would gladly send more than TL, Carsen, and a pick. And you most assuredly have to send much more.
 

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Looks like Lavine is actually 19.5 this year, and next. I would absolutely be all over him if he became available. He is miscast as lead scorer in CHI which has resulted in him jacking up way too many shots - but he is good.

I would gladly send more than TL, Carsen, and a pick. And you most assuredly have to send much more.
Yeah, TL, Carsen and a pick is a discount. I just don't see a trade I'd want to do for 1.5 seasons of him. I guess maybe you move Langford? I wouldn't want to do multiple firsts for example.
 

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Yeah, the idea you’re getting LeVert or LaVine for scraps is quite unrealistic. LaVine is a ball-dominant guy—-to me, he is someone who might fit as a bench scorer in about five years after he realizes his days of being a faux-alpha are over but there’s zero reason to think he recognizes today what role he can play on a winning team. Or cares, frankly. And while I agree that analytically he’s not all that valuable, all evidence is that Chicago thinks he is. Even if they want to dump him (and new GM may be smart enough to do so) there’ll be more interest in him than scraps.

Satoransky is an interesting option—-struggled shooting-wise last year but hard to know what to make of that. Strong passer, solid defender, and (historically) good 3pt shooter as well. Bulls need a PG, but he doesn’t seem to really be a starting PG and supposedly is on the block. At $10 mil he’d leave some room.

Rozier to Chi is a little interesting, but Bulls would need to add in salary (Feliciano?) to make it work, I think. Don’t think we can realistically construct a three-way trade around that but conceptually it’s interesting. OK: here’s one:

Cha: Gets Hayward
Chi: Gets Rozier
Celtics: Gets Satoransky and Felicio (which still is $10 mil less than Hayward)

Not sure Celtics really want Felicio give their roster situation, and not sure this is better than simply throwing a second into Hayward deal to get the TPE. But I killed 15 minutes exploring, so there’s that....
 
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Man, Satoransky is making 10 million a year?

But he would be a nice get. Had a down year in CHI, but he is a big guard, who can play either positions and shoots well.

CHI is all in on Coby White and they really should look at not being good this year and try to land at the top of the lottery
 

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Man, Satoransky is making 10 million a year?

But he would be a nice get. Had a down year in CHI, but he is a big guard, who can play either positions and shoots well.

CHI is all in on Coby White and they really should look at not being good this year and try to land at the top of the lottery
I would love to add Satoransky.
 

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Yeah, the idea you’re getting LeVert or LaVine for scraps is quite unrealistic. LaVine is a ball-dominant guy—-to me, he is someone who might fit as a bench scorer in about five years after he realizes his days of being a faux-alpha are over but there’s zero reason to think he recognizes today what role he can play on a winning team. Or cares, frankly. And while I agree that analytically he’s not all that valuable, all evidence is that Chicago thinks he is. Even if they want to dump him (and new GM may be smart enough to do so) there’ll be more interest in him than scraps.

Satoransky is an interesting option—-struggled shooting-wise last year but hard to know what to make of that. Strong passer, solid defender, and (historically) good 3pt shooter as well. Bulls need a PG, but he doesn’t seem to really be a starting PG and supposedly is on the block. At $10 mil he’d leave some room.

Rozier to Chi is a little interesting, but Bulls would need to add in salary (Feliciano?) to make it work, I think. Don’t think we can realistically construct a three-way trade around that but conceptually it’s interesting. OK: here’s one:

Cha: Gets Hayward
Chi: Gets Rozier
Celtics: Gets Satoransky and Felicio (which still is $10 mil less than Hayward)

Not sure Celtics really want Felicio give their roster situation, and not sure this is better than simply throwing a second into Hayward deal to get the TPE. But I killed 15 minutes exploring, so there’s that....
I assume CHA is also getting a bunch of draft picks? I don't think Chicago has the stomach for that, and BOS certainly isn't giving 1sts for salary dumps. Rozier is good, CHA isn't trading him unless they get value in return. Certainly they aren't salary dumping him.

I agree that LeVert and LaVine are unlikely, I was more pointing out that they only really make sense if it is a deal because they aren't going to be starters here and are paid as starters. (well LeVert makes a bit more, but I think he's only available if it's a pick based trade because they need someone to eat his salary to match on a Harden deal).

My guess is best case scenario is a Rose type player midseason, then shopping in the offseason for a 10-15M a year type.
 

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Cha has been rumored to be looking to dump Rozier. It’s unclear whether he’s a net asset on his contract or not; my guess is some teams feel yes and some feel no. He’s not a great fit there given Graham and Ball, even less so with Hayward. But you can get away with him as an off-ball guy, it just isn’t all that great a fit given he can’t really defend 2s (though Ball’s ability to do so helps on this) and some of his value is in being a PG.

My guess is Chicago knows they need a real PG, but I’m not sure Rozier is what they have in mind.
 

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I don't think LaVine is coming here either, I was more curious if people would want him at his contract since he's pretty much a one way player. I think he's more than a bench scorer but less than 1st option. He's a 30 minute rotation player. I don't think his D would be that big an issue here either given who he'd be sharing the court with.

He's probably paid what he's worth. It'll be interesting if his next contract is significantly bigger.

edit: In the LeVert/LaVine regard, what about Aaron Gordon? I think I'd pass on Gordon.
 
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Cha has been rumored to be looking to dump Rozier. It’s unclear whether he’s a net asset on his contract or not; my guess is some teams feel yes and some feel no. He’s not a great fit there given Graham and Ball, even less so with Hayward. But you can get away with him as an off-ball guy, it just isn’t all that great a fit given he can’t really defend 2s (though Ball’s ability to do so helps on this) and some of his value is in being a PG.

My guess is Chicago knows they need a real PG, but I’m not sure Rozier is what they have in mind.
I think Charlotte would like to trade Rozier for sure. I just don't see them being interested in a straight salary dump of him. He's still a good NBA player. I would guess they start him and ease in LaMelo, then look to see who is interested at the deadline or next year. They might get a decent return (nothing special, but not a straight salary dump either) on him from teams that strike out on the top FAs next year. His contract is interesting in that he only has 2 years left, and it is a significant decline (18.9M this year, 17.9M next year) so he probably becomes more attractive as time goes on.
 

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I am an Aaron Gordon believer—-would love for Celts to have a path to him. He’s a guy who fits great as the third/fourth option offensively and he’d help defensively. But I think Orlando still believes there and Celts don’t have a lot of tradeable assets to put out there for him. I guess if you were getting him you’d probably be ok sending out Romeo as they are somewhat redundant. Would you do Romeo and a 1, plus the TPE, though? They also seem less likely to deal him with Isaac out. I suspect this is more a deadline deal option, when Orlando may or may not be in the playoff hunt (and Celtics will have a bit more data on where they are and what development has occurred with Romeo, Grant, and early returns on Nesmith)

The concern is not a new one with Gordon—what does he do to your spacing when he’s in there as he dropped back from “acceptable” to “not really a threat” level last year from there, albeit with relatively smaller sample.

Contract size also more or less fits, he’s on a declining deal at 18 and 16 this year and next.
 

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I think Charlotte would like to trade Rozier for sure. I just don't see them being interested in a straight salary dump of him. He's still a good NBA player. I would guess they start him and ease in LaMelo, then look to see who is interested at the deadline or next year. They might get a decent return (nothing special, but not a straight salary dump either) on him from teams that strike out on the top FAs next year. His contract is interesting in that he only has 2 years left, and it is a significant decline (18.9M this year, 17.9M next year) so he probably becomes more attractive as time goes on.
At the very least, I doubt they'd have to give up assets to get rid of Rozier's contract barring some catastrophic injury. He's not that overpaid.
 

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At the very least, I doubt they'd have to give up assets to get rid of Rozier's contract barring some catastrophic injury. He's not that overpaid.
No one is suggesting that. I think the question is would you rather stretch Batum to get the extra space you need or dump Rozier. Especially if you get a 2 or something back, I see the case for the latter. But no idea what they think, it’s a somewhat unpredicatable organization. The idea that Batum is a fully sunk cost is, I suspect, not fully realized there. A good team would try to get Celtics to swallow Batum or just stretch him and be done with it. But they are by all reports working hard to do something with his contract....
 

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No one is suggesting that. I think the question is would you rather stretch Batum to get the extra space you need or dump Rozier. Especially if you get a 2 or something back, I see the case for the latter. But no idea what they think, it’s a somewhat unpredicatable organization. The idea that Batum is a fully sunk cost is, I suspect, not fully realized there. A good team would try to get Celtics to swallow Batum or just stretch him and be done with it. But they are by all reports working hard to do something with his contract....
I think if you can't dump Batum, and you don't want to stretch him.... you trade Zeller to the Knicks
 

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No one is suggesting that. I think the question is would you rather stretch Batum to get the extra space you need or dump Rozier. Especially if you get a 2 or something back, I see the case for the latter. But no idea what they think, it’s a somewhat unpredicatable organization. The idea that Batum is a fully sunk cost is, I suspect, not fully realized there. A good team would try to get Celtics to swallow Batum or just stretch him and be done with it. But they are by all reports working hard to do something with his contract....
Maybe someone would take Batum if they were offering their 1st next year, unprotected. If they manage to trade him, they did something really stupid in the process and gave up valuable assets.
 

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Maybe someone would take Batum if they were offering their 1st next year, unprotected. If they manage to trade him, they did something really stupid in the process and gave up valuable assets.
I think OKC will eventually take him for 2nds. It's a 1 year deal, and they don't have much salary on the books. Especially since there's a chance he'd take a buyout from them that would save them cash. (amusingly... I think if he's bought out the Celtics would be a suitor for him as a FA on the minimum.)
 

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I think OKC will eventually take him for 2nds. It's a 1 year deal, and they don't have much salary on the books. Especially since there's a chance he'd take a buyout from them that would save them cash. (amusingly... I think if he's bought out the Celtics would be a suitor for him as a FA on the minimum.)
Seems like a lot for a couple 2nds, especially when they have all those first. Isn't he pretty much done as a player though?

I also noticed another guy who makes less sense than Gordon, LeVert or LaVine but gets paid in that range in Gary Harris. No thanks. I'd guess Denver would happily move on from him.
 

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Seems like a lot for a couple 2nds, especially when they have all those first. Isn't he pretty much done as a player though?

I also noticed another guy who makes less sense than Gordon, LeVert or LaVine but gets paid in that range in Gary Harris. No thanks. I'd guess Denver would happily move on from him.
We'll have to see where OKC comes out, but they are going to be pretty close to the floor, so the money isn't likely a big issue, and 2nds are always useful to move trades along or move up or down when you get to the draft.
As for what he has left... he missed most of last year with an injury, but the year before he was terrible for a max player, but good for an end of the rotation vet minimum player. He has good size, is a decent enough defender, and shoots decently, passes well for a wing, rebounds pretty well. He's a decent bench player, the problem is he's making $27M this year.
 

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I'd love LaVine or LeVert (ironically, LaVine has more Vert), but the pick/player cost will be astronomical for either. Just don't see it happening.

Finding a way to squeeze a guy into the TPE is one thing. Sending multiple firsts or actual rotation players for a guy (or both) means that you really need to love the guy.
 

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Interesting, he definitely wasn't as good last year, particularly in the playoffs, but they are such a win-now team I would have thought they would keep him for the last year of his deal. Though sounds like it's part wanting to clear some cap space and a significant part not wanting him in the lockerroom
I don't actually see Ainge pursuing Lou Will though the dream is alive. There is a ton of chatter that the Clippers chemistry, even with Harrell moving across the way, is a mess so that might explain this rumor.

Either way, it will be interesting if the Cs are somehow in on him.

Edit: upon further reflection - because Williams is kind of an NBA fascination for me - my heart would love the Cs to finally nab him. However he showed decline last year and with his size the only thing keeping him on the court is his offense. If there is anything to this, the Lou Will market is likely to outpace his actual value. Between that and fit, I don't see Boston going after him if he is even available.
 
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Now that there is a poll, I think it's missing an option (though we still don't have the TPE):
Split it.

My thought is that the Celtics should look to use part of the TPE, this year (likely closer to the deadline) if a player in the 6-10M range they like becomes available. Which leaves a significant TPE for the offseason.

They could use or save the whole thing, but I'm coming around to the idea that unless the Celtics trade Kemba, the max they likely want to add long term is probably something like 15-19M.
 

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Interesting, he definitely wasn't as good last year, particularly in the playoffs, but they are such a win-now team I would have thought they would keep him for the last year of his deal. Though sounds like it's part wanting to clear some cap space and a significant part not wanting him in the lockerroom
My understanding is the locker room stuff was about Montrez, Williams, and Pat Bev resenting Kawhi and PG. Obviously the power is with Kawhi and PG, so clearing out the 1st 2 of those follows, and looking for a new point guard would indicate they also want/wanted to reduce Beverly's role.
 

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My understanding is the locker room stuff was about Montrez, Williams, and Pat Bev resenting Kawhi and PG. Obviously the power is with Kawhi and PG, so clearing out the 1st 2 of those follows, and looking for a new point guard would indicate they also want/wanted to reduce Beverly's role.
I can see that... my question is, if Lou was having a tough time not resenting 2 established super-stars how's he going to feel about a tertiary role behind 2 guys a decade his junior
 

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The Clippers rumors are that the team suffered because Leonard and George didn't even practice with the rest of the team for most of the (pre-bubble) season and that is what drove a rift between them and the hold-overs like Williams, Harrell and Beverley. Who knows if that is even remotely true but that is what is floating around out there - but if its accurate, its more of how the Clippers are managing their roster rather than an attitude issue for Williams etc.
 

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Now that there is a poll, I think it's missing an option (though we still don't have the TPE):
Split it.

My thought is that the Celtics should look to use part of the TPE, this year (likely closer to the deadline) if a player in the 6-10M range they like becomes available. Which leaves a significant TPE for the offseason.

They could use or save the whole thing, but I'm coming around to the idea that unless the Celtics trade Kemba, the max they likely want to add long term is probably something like 15-19M.
That’s not how a TPE works. You can only use it once. For example, if you have a $25 million TPE you can use it to acquire one, and only one, player who makes up to $25 million.
 

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That’s not how a TPE works. You can only use it once. For example, if you have a $25 million TPE you can use it to acquire one, and only one, player who makes up to $25 million.
www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q87

It is how the TPE works, it's a credit that last for one year and you can make multiple transactions with the credit so long as you don't combine it with any other exceptions or exceed the total credit.
 

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How many undersized poor defending guards can you stuff onto one roster? I'm guessing 5 is too many.
There is a wing depth joke in here somewhere but setting that aside, yeah, Williams is small, cannot defend and is on the downslope of his career. He isn't likely an option for Boston.
 

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To combine some thought from a couple threads, I think the people throwing out ideas for young-ish quasi stars like Gordon, LeVine, Hield are on the right track. This TPE is the last major card they have to play in the near future, and ideally you would like to use it on someone who is going to play a significant role for the Tatum/Brown window. The added benefit is that the Celtics have a notable lack of trade ballast, and if theres a chance at a legit star down the road, having 20 million of Buddy Hield on hand is really useful.

As for when they use it, the start of free agency next year is the obvious min-max salary cap manipulation answer, from what I gather. Hopefully that doesn't stop them if the right player is a available at the deadline this season.
 

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What the hell can we give up for Gordon? He is way too good for us to have a realistic chance of getting. Same thing with Hield. Sign me up for either but I think it is fantasy land.
 

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What the hell can we give up for Gordon? He is way too good for us to have a realistic chance of getting. Same thing with Hield. Sign me up for either but I think it is fantasy land.
I don't think Gordon is perceived as *that* good around the league, although he's on a nice (declining) contract. Hield would be more expensive imo because he's such a good fit on a contender.
 

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I don't think Gordon is perceived as *that* good around the league, although he's on a nice (declining) contract. Hield would be more expensive imo because he's such a good fit on a contender.
Yeah, Gordon is a poor shooting wing. Players that fall into that category have to be elite in something else (playmaking, defense, rebounding, finishing) in order to justify a $15-$20M salary, and Gordon doesn't quite qualify. When he signed the deal it looked great - he had shown some reasonable improvement through his first four seasons - but two years later he's the same guy, maybe a bit worse. It's not really a bad deal for the Magic considering he's their 2nd or 3rd best player, but his poor shooting is limiting.

Unless the Celtics think he can play center, I don't see the fit with Boston (or most teams). They would lose too much spacing if they play him alongside any of their big men, which means he'd never see the floor in crunch time.