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SS, thanks for the pix. Makes it real. 
As for other teams, apparently the Sox are not alone: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110204&content_id=16572372&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
But the Sox make it more of an event than others: 
 
 
It is traditional for Truck Day rigs to "blend in" on the highways with nondescript white sides and the mover logo, for obvious reason. If you are an MLB club, you generally do not want to advertise to every motorist from state-to-state that you are hauling valuable cargo anyone would want.

Well, the Red Sox knocked that conventional wisdom out of the park. With JetBlue sponsoring, the Red Sox truck departed Tuesday featuring splashy Green Monster siding. In lettering made to resemble the old manual scoreboard, it read: "FIRST STOP FORT MYERS, NEXT STOP THE SERIES." Hello, America -- Carl Crawford and Adrian Gonzalez arriving separately.
OBVIOUSLY, an old article!
 

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Truck Coming your way three amigos. Looking forward to the arrival photos. Thanks SS for getting us all in the mood. Waiting with much anticipation for the first Mike F report on the World Champions.
 

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Thank you! Must be a Juan Nieves bag from his White Sox days in this picture, on top.
 
I had assumed Pierzynski might still have had one... but then later there was another White Sox bag that was definitely Peavy's.
 
Of course, there was also a Red Sox bag with ELLSBURY 2, 
 

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Thanks for the pics SS. I'll take it from here. Woohoo!
 

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I had assumed Pierzynski might still have had one... but then later there was another White Sox bag that was definitely Peavy's.
 
Of course, there was also a Red Sox bag with ELLSBURY 2
 
That's right, other ex-White Sox than Nieves on the team.
 
I have to get over the bolded. Give me time.  :( 
 

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It is traditional for Truck Day rigs to "blend in" on the highways with nondescript white sides and the mover logo, for obvious reason. If you are an MLB club, you generally do not want to advertise to every motorist from state-to-state that you are hauling valuable cargo anyone would want.
In recent years the truck would actually pull over a few miles away from the park and they would remove the advertising, etc, for the ride South.  Both for the above reason and because it wasn't permanently painted on the truck (canvas or some other covering), and wasn't safe at highway speeds.
 
Not sure if that's still the case or not
 

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NESN Broadcast Schedule
 
Sunday, March 2 Baltimore 1:00 PM
Saturday, March 8 Baltimore (Sarasota) 1:00 PM
Sunday, March 9 Pittsburgh (Bradenton) 1:00 PM
Monday, March 10         Tampa Bay 1:00 PM
Saturday, March 15       Philadelphia 7:00 PM
Sunday, March 16         Tampa Bay (Port Charlotte) 1:00 PM
Wednesday, March 19 Pittsburgh                                      7:00 PM
Thursday, March 20 New York Yankees 7:00 PM
Saturday, March 22       Atlanta (Orlando) 1:00 PM
Sunday, March 23 Tampa Bay 1:00 PM
Tuesday, March 25 Tampa Bay (Port Charlotte) 1:00 PM
Friday, March 28            Minnesota (Hammond Stadium) 1:00 PM

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2014/02/nesn-announces-unprecedented-red-sox-spring-training-coverage/
 

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Even though the first official day of spring training isn’t slated for later this week (Saturday) — when pitchers and catchers are scheduled to report — plenty of participants were in attendance Monday at JetBlue Park.
 
The top of the Red Sox‘ starting rotation — Jon Lester, John Lackey and Clay Buchholz —  walked out to the field as a group (along with Andrew Miller and Edward Mujica. The group did some long-toss before running a bit and then heading into the weight room.
 
Overseeing the operation was manager John Farrell, who just arrived in town after a whirlwind past week that included trips to Utah, Bristol, Conn., Boston and Clearwater.
 
Among the position players working out/hitting/fielding were Will Middlebrooks, Ryan Lavarnway, Grady Sizemore, Daniel Nava, Xander Bogaerts and Jackie Bradley Jr. Sizemore and Bradley Jr. manned center field, while Nava took left.
 
For those wondering, Sizemore’s running/sprinting motions looked natural. After taking some fly balls he then conferred with director of sports medicine Dan Dyrek. In case you missed it, the outfielder said Sunday he doesn’t expect any limitations.
 

 
Nava & Sizemore
 

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Ultimately, if he is healthy, I would project Sizemore to replace Nava eventually.  Nava and Carp could be retained as IF/OF/PH depth with one of them possibly as the replacement for David Ortiz if injury or age catches up with him.
Not to revisit the Sizemore arguments in the other thread, but I wonder whether you're expecting an awful lot from a guy who hasn't been healthy or put up an OBP above .300 since 2009. Also, don't you think JBJ is the one whose job is in greater danger from a healthy Sizemore? Or are you confident that he'll take to CF without a hitch?

No matter what, if Nava puts up an OBP around .380 again I would imagine there will still be plenty of ABs for him in LF, RF, 1B, and DH (especially as injuries and rest for older players dictates).
 

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Not to revisit the Sizemore arguments in the other thread, but I wonder whether you're expecting an awful lot from a guy who hasn't been healthy or put up an OBP above .300 since 2009. Also, don't you think JBJ is the one whose job is in greater danger from a healthy Sizemore? Or are you confident that he'll take to CF without a hitch?

No matter what, if Nava puts up an OBP around .380 again I would imagine there will still be plenty of ABs for him in LF, RF, 1B, and DH (especially as injuries and rest for older players dictates).
 
I don't think anyone is concerned about JBJ "taking to CF without a hitch" given he's an excellent defender there (though I'm sure you're trying to imply his offense is in question).  It's more a question of whether Sizemore can handle CF without a hitch.  If he's healthy enough and hitting enough to stick on the roster, he'd be much better served to not have to play CF where the physical demands are highest.  Defensively, the Red Sox' optimum OF alignment is Victorino in RF, JBJ in CF, and whoever in LF.
 

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I don't think anyone is concerned about JBJ "taking to CF without a hitch" given he's an excellent defender there (though I'm sure you're trying to imply his offense is in question).  It's more a question of whether Sizemore can handle CF without a hitch.  If he's healthy enough and hitting enough to stick on the roster, he'd be much better served to not have to play CF where the physical demands are highest.  Defensively, the Red Sox' optimum OF alignment is Victorino in RF, JBJ in CF, and whoever in LF.
Yes, I was referring more to JBJ's bat than glove. He's got a ton of talent, but he still needs to hit MLB pitching.

In any event, I guess this is part of the problem with projecting Sizemore. Without a sense of how healthy he'll ever be again or what his bat will be like after 2 years away from the game, it's hard to predict where and how much he'll play.
 

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If Sizemore forces the Red Sox through good play and health to put him on the 25 man roster for opening day the Red Sox will likely have the decision of shuttling JBJ back and  forth from the Bucket for another year because he has options or trading one of the Carp/Gomes/Nava triumvirate. Gomes isn't going anywhere so it comes down to Nava/Carp/ Sizemore for two bench roster spots? Should be an interesting battle but Carp could probably be easily dealt to a  Milwaukee, Pittsburgh two teams looking for a 1B or Nava to Seattle if they get desperate for OF help(Tough to see what Nava would get on the trade market and of course he is valuable if he approach what he did last year).
 
I'm in the camp where JBJ's glove and plate discipline will be overall above average in CF but obviosuly not at Ellsbury level( I'd conservatively say 2 WAR) . Sizemore is nice insurance on that best case scenario but I'd rather have JBJ out in center for 130-140 games without any of the platoon or shuttling back and forth nonsense.   
 
Sizemore is interesting and clearly the Sox see something encouraging in the medicals. 
 

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RedSox decide to work Xander Bogaerts exclusively at SS for the time being per @nickcafardo. Will not work at 3B.
 

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Sizemore is listed at 6'-2" and Nava is listed at 5'-11". In that picture, Sizemore looks like he's got 6" on him.
Look at how long Sizemore's face is (no pun intended) compared with Nava. Sizemore is closer to the camera. Misleading pic. 
 

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Al Zarilla said:
Look at how long Sizemore's face is (no pun intended) compared with Nava. Sizemore is closer to the camera. Misleading pic. 
Back- and to the left...
 
Next week needs to hurry up and get here.
 

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Following a light workout with Jon Lester and John Lackey at JetBlue Park Monday, Clay Buchholz said he is fully healthy but is taking a different approach toward spring training this time around.
 
Buchholz didn’t throw any bullpen sessions prior to arriving in camp, having heeded the advice of the medical staff after suffering through a shoulder issue all the way through the World Series run.
 
Usually coming into camp I’ve thrown four or five bullpens and ready to go. This year I didn’t throw any bullpens,” he said. “So this year I’m using spring training for the purpose of spring training, that’s to get ready for the season this year.”
 
Buchholz explained that the advice given to him by Dr. James Andrews during the season — which suggested his ailment was only going to heal with rest — seems to be right on the money. The pitcher didn’t pick up a ball until December, and when he did the pain in the shoulder had dissipated.
 
“That’s what Dr. Andrews told me the day I went and saw him,” Buchholz explained. “He said it’s all rest. It’s like picking a scab, if you just try and keep throwing and fighting through it. So I took a full month off of not picking up a ball and not doing anything. Right when I started working out again I didn’t feel anything.”
 
The starter added, “This offseason has been a little bit different than in the past, not having the mound time off. In recent years I’ve gotten to spring training being basically in midseason form as far as being off the mound. Speaking with the training staff I needed to take a step back from that and make sure everything was fully recovered, not to push anything too far, too soon. It’s a different route than I’ve gone the last four or five years coming into camp, just playing catch and long-toss. But I feel a lot better by doing that rather than just jumping into the throwing program when I normally would do it.”
 

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Also, I can safely say this has been the fastest off season that I can remember. Seems like they won the thing yesterday.
 

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Also, I can safely say this has been the fastest off season that I can remember. Seems like they won the thing yesterday.
Going all Ben Roethlisberger here, but WS game 6 was October 30. That's almost a month shorter postseason than normal.
 

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I'm most interested to see how Doubront looks. Anyone down there see any signs of him?
 

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Yet the Drew 2.0 thread seems to have been dragging on for years.
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This. I can't stand to even look at that anymore. I'm sure some really interesting things are being said there but no thanks.
 

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Ha!  So nothing interesting going on in that thread?  Super.  Then I'm not missing anything.
 

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The Red Sox visit the Braves at Disney in late March.  I live nearby and decided to see if any tickets were available. Sold out. Went to Stub Hub. Good seats are selling for more than $100 each. This getting out of hand, really. /end mini rant about ST ticket prices.
 
Yeah, got 'em regardless.
 

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LoweTek said:
The Red Sox visit the Braves at Disney in late March.  I live nearby and decided to see if any tickets were available. Sold out. Went to Stub Hub. Good seats are selling for more than $100 each. This getting out of hand, really. /end mini rant about ST ticket prices.
 
Yeah, got 'em regardless.
 
And still there are going to be spring training games that go without a broadcast. Stick a few goddamn web cams in the ballpark, charge us five bucks, and we'll watch.
 

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Pedro was 5'11". At least that's what it said in the media guide.
 
Let's make something clear.  Nobody who is 5'11" gets listed at only 5'11", and nobody listed at 5'11" is actually 5'11".  Remember when Hulk Hogan was listed at 6'8"?
 
Back to Sizemore, this is an awesome problem to have.  I know on the Championship hangover, it is easy to say you want XB and JBJ both moving forward and playing full time, and I do that too, especially with my hopes they don't re-sign Drew.  But the reality is that if Sizemore is healthy he is very likely a better baseball player in 2014 than Nava or JBJ, and those guys along with Carp have to arm wrestle to not be the weakest link.
 
Carp and Nava are both very useful players likely somewhere near their peak, so you take them for what they are, or you trade them for what they are.
 
JBJ could benefit from a year in Pawtucket, even though I think he is mostly ready.  Given that he is still 24, struggled in his brief time in the majors, and has under 400 total ABs in triple-A.  If Sizemore beats him out, I'm sure he will be disappointed, but his career value might increase, he is insurance against injury (we are looking at you Sizemore), and you gain his 30 year old year cost controlled by not having his 24 year old year in the majors (although I question some of the arbitration clock calculus conventional wisdom, because you also change the arb and free agent parameters and don't necessarily "save a year" of money when the dust settles).
 
If instead of demoting JBJ in this hypothetical you trade Carp, then you end up with a missing piece when an injury happens, and might have less total value over 162 games as a result.
 
I think all of this is more than 50% likely to be moot, because I think Sizemore has a ways to go before he proves he isn't the positional player version of Mark Prior, but all things being equal JBJ gets demoted, and all things not being equal the weakest link in the Nava/Carp/JBJ trio doesn't make the roster. 
 

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If instead of demoting JBJ in this hypothetical you trade Carp, then you end up with a missing piece when an injury happens, and might have less total value over 162 games as a result.
 
Soxprospects.com tells me Daniel Nava has an option left so we can send him down and lose nobody.
 

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Let's make something clear.  Nobody who is 5'11" gets listed at only 5'11", and nobody listed at 5'11" is actually 5'11".  Remember when Hulk Hogan was listed at 6'8"?
 
 
Pretty sure that was the point.
 

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Soxprospects.com tells me Daniel Nava has an option left so we can send him down and lose nobody.
 
If JBJ is outperforming Nava that is a great option.  But Nava won't get better or gain any future financial flexibility by time in triple-A, while 24 year old 375 triple-A ABs JBJ might have more long term value by doing so.
 
I'm not sure if the hypothetically healthy Sizemore is causing this issue that it is likely to have JBJ outperforming Daniel Nava out of spring training, especially if it is Left Field platoon-minus and bat off the bench.
 
I'm okay either way, but I think JBJ needs 30 ABs a week in CF to develop at his best, and if for some reason Sizemore's health/performance takes that opportunity in Boston away, I think it could be best for the ballclub and JBJ's future to be he regular CF in Pawtucket.
 
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Pretty sure that was the point.
 
Yes, sorry if my comment was fuzzy, but I was just wholeheartedly agreeing and expanding it that 5'11" is probably the most misrepresented height in the history of sports.
 

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No idea if this the first of the spring, but we have a "best shape of his career" sighting...Felix Doubront.
 
@GordonEdes: Doubront, for those who missed him. Spent 7 weeks working out in Sarasota. It shows pic.twitter.com/DF80IVK6l3
 
Oops! Accidental blank post! Not sure how that happened. 
 
Now that it's here, I guess I'd say that Doubront seems like the rare player where the clichéd "best shape" designation might be meaningful in terms of performance. 
 

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Yeah, he looks pretty damned buff. Makes me long for the days of pot-bellied Beckett.
 
 

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koufax37 said:
 
If JBJ is outperforming Nava that is a great option.  But Nava won't get better or gain any future financial flexibility by time in triple-A, while 24 year old 375 triple-A ABs JBJ might have more long term value by doing so.
 
I'm not sure if the hypothetically healthy Sizemore is causing this issue that it is likely to have JBJ outperforming Daniel Nava out of spring training, especially if it is Left Field platoon-minus and bat off the bench.
 
I don't see Sizemore and JBJ as related at all. I'm going in assuming Sizemore can't play CF anymore. If he proves me wrong, then fine, but if the Sox didn't think JBJ was ready, they'd have brought someone in as a fallback. Even if you assume Victorino is the CF fallback, who's going to play right? You don't want it to be Nava, Gomes, or probably even Sizemore. I'm pretty sure the team doesn't want Alex Hassan or Bryce Brentz doing the job on anything but a very short term basis.
 
So, yeah, either the team really views Sizemore as the backup plan or they're really dead set on having JBJ win the job. With Sizemore's health history, it seems to me there's only one reasonable conclusion.