- Jul 23, 2005
Sweet sweet vindication lol.Heyman says minor league deal.
Agreed; add Goodrum (and maybe Dalbec) to that mix and they have some replacement level types in the minors with moderate upside- guys who won’t kill you if they have to play for a few weeks. They’ve been somewhat lacking in these types the last few years.Alright that clarifies it. Curious if there’s an incentive structure/opt outs like Alfaro.
Tapia, Allen and Crook are decent non-roster OF depth snags.
In an ideal world, yeah.... not just prospects, but prospects that are highly touted and can be above replacement level, at least, if they get called up. I can't think of many teams that have a AAA roster of that at each position.... so having AAAA type guys there is more likely the default of most teams.I’d rather have prospects there than guys we’d say “oh shit” about being called up or getting AB in Worcester
Agreed. We'd all love to have AAA legit prospects ready to go in the OF (like Milwaukee with their unfair glut) but we're not there yet. For now, I'm fine filling the depth with cheap vets.In an ideal world, yeah.... not just prospects, but prospects that are highly touted and can be above replacement level, at least, if they get called up. I can't think of many teams that have a AAA roster of that at each position.... so having AAAA type guys there is more likely the default of most teams.
Probably, yeah. I guess my thing with Tapia is that he’s not that bad. Former back-end Top 100 prospect. Still just 29 in 2023. Batting average is a plus — he's hit .278 over 2020–22, which is somehow 34th among 160 qualified outfielders. Don't want to overstate his abilities, but he has some skills that we don’t otherwise have on the roster. Certainly not a starter but not someone I’d mind as a 4th or 5th OF.I would guess very similar to Alfaro but maybe a tiny bit less flexible?
Nor much speed, aside from one 20 steal season. His stats show him to be a very mundane, not bad not good, player. (WAR = 0.8, oWAR = 1.4) He has never hit double digits in HR (9 is his most in a season) and his career OBP and SLG are unimpressive (.318 & .392 respectively.)I don’t see why they would sign him. Not a great bat, the only 2 seasons with OBP over .300 were in Colorado. Not much in power.
Leaving out Rafaela: Jarren Duran, Wilyer Abreu, Greg Allen, Narciso Crook, Devlin Granberg, Tyler Dearden, Corey Rosier, Tyler Esplin. Especially if Duran is headed out in a trade — but maybe even if not — we could use another outfielder.So many moves that Chaim Bloom makes feel like he's trying to find that diamond in the rough. Here we go again. That this is a minor league deal makes it less objectionable. But really, the Sox don't already have minor league depth with as much upside?
Verdugo, to be specificView: https://twitter.com/chrishenrique/status/1615935282963939330?s=46&t=3gIFl5c_6h66iuc2uDutmw
Definitely has the feeling of a trade precursor. Was great at Fenway last year.
He's a major league player. Signing him to a minor league deal, like Alfaro, allows the Sox to hold off on opening up spots on the 40. He is absolutely an update on Duran, and his arrival suggests Verdugo could be moving on.I don't think there's a chance this is anything but a minor league deal. He's not an upgrade to Duran (and I'm no fan of Duran). Signing him to a major league contract makes zero sense.
Is there something wrong with finding diamonds in the rough? Bloom has done a pretty good job of it, and I'm not sure why you're griping about a minor league deal in the first place.So many moves that Chaim Bloom makes feel like he's trying to find that diamond in the rough. Here we go again. That this is a minor league deal makes it less objectionable. But really, the Sox don't already have minor league depth with as much upside?
Man, we should have traded Margot for Judge right then and there.For amusement purposes only.
from Baseball Prospectus Top Prospects 2017:
(an abridged list)
3. Andrew Benintendi
6. Austin Meadows
7. Victor Robles
9. Eloy Jimenez
12. Lewis Brinson
16. Clint Frazier
18. Manuel Margot
26. Cody Bellinger
31. Ronald Acuña
37. Kyle Tucker
42. Raimel Tapia
57. Juan Soto
63. Aaron Judge
66. Alex Verdugo
92. Hunter Renfroe
Well this is it. It looks like there are twoMaybe Duvall is the Verdugo replacement more or less, and the Sox add a starting SS?
The Red Sox have a new LFer and Verdugo isn't very good in CF or RF. And RF in his home park is a bit on the challenging side.I just don't get the desire to dump Verdugo.
Historically, he’s been fine in RF. Not good last year, but he was evidently hurt. The idea that he can’t play RF isn’t really supported by evidence IMO.The Red Sox have a new LFer and Verdugo isn't very good in CF or RF. And RF in his home park is a bit on the challenging side.
Which isn't to say that teams can't Philly their way to success with bad defense, but I think it makes everything just a little bit harder.
He was -5 DRS in RF last year and the Red Sox just signed Duvall who is best in RF. Attributing all his poor fielding last year to injury is a bit of a reach, I think. Cora addressed some of this at the end of the season:Historically, he’s been fine in RF. Not good last year, but he was evidently hurt. The idea that he can’t play RF isn’t really supported by evidence IMO.
If the Red Sox aren't 100% confident that Verdugo will slim down and improve his baserunning and defense, and given that he probably won't be playing LF regularly, trading him now for a position of greater need (shortstop, of course) makes the most sense.“Yeah, he hit for average, but he can be a lot better baserunning, defensively,” Cora said. “He’s getting to that area in his career that’s, ‘Who is he gonna be?’ We talked about this with (Andrew Benintendi) a few years ago, right? You see the player he has become. (Benintendi) has become a better defender, a good hitter. I think Verdugo has the chance to hit for power, hit for average, but he can impact the game running the bases and playing defense.”
Verdugo has split his season between left field and right field but the numbers have not been encouraging in either spot. He ranks in the 12th percentile of all defenders in outs above average and in the 40th percentile in outfielder jump. His sprint speed, which averaged 27.5 ft/s in 2020 and 27 ft/s in 2021, is down to an average of 26.8 ft/s in 2022. By all metrics, the 26-year-old has been slower this year than in the past.
Cora noted that Verdugo spent much of the early part of the season banged up after fouling a ball off himself but also was heavier than in recent years. The Red Sox list him at 6-feet, 192 lbs. Cora said Verdugo tried to add some mass in order to hit for more power this season.
“He put on some weight, not in a bad way, but he got bigger, kind of like in the same narrative that happened with (Benintendi) in 2019,” Cora said. “Get bigger to hit for extra-base hits. In that sense, it cost him other aspects of the game.”