Sons of Peter McNeeley- Boxing Thread

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · Apr 13, 2010

QUOTE (BGrif21125 @ Apr 13 2010, 08:23 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2895490
I got around to watching the Berto fight last night.

I thought it was pretty similar to most Berto fights. He has obvious physical gifts, but just isn't a very refined boxer overall.

I agreed with Merchant's comment that Berto wasn't giving Floyd or Manny anything to worry about, but hey, I'm not sure that's really even much of a criticism. Those 2 guys are so far above everyone else that they have almost no reason to be worried about anyone. I think Mosley might be the only guy who can even win individual rounds against Floyd and/or Manny.

FYI... Real Sports on HBO is doing an entire episode tonight about the deaths of Gatti, Forrest and Arguello. Should be worth checking out.

I thought it was a good win over a solid guy. Quinatana may be a notch down from Collazo, but he's certainly one of the two best opponents Berto has ever fought.

But you're right, it didn't change my view of Berto as a talented fighter whose flaws and basic one-dimensionality keep him just below the true elite level. I think his day will come in a couple of years when the Floyd-Manny-Mosley era is over. He won't be as good as any of those guys ever were, but with them gone he'll probably be good enough to rule the division.

Love to see a fight between Berto and Paul Williams, if PWill ever fights at 147 again.

PrestonBroadus Lives · Apr 13, 2010

QUOTE (BGrif21125 @ Apr 10 2010, 08:18 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2890285
Looks like Bradley and Maidana will fight each other this summer. I like the commitment HBO is making to the 140 pounders. That's an interesting fight.

Well, that was quick.

http://www.ringtv.com/blog/1813/maidana_in...dley_postponed/

allaboutthesox · Apr 15, 2010

QUOTE (Gene Conleys Plane Ticket @ Apr 13 2010, 11:03 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2895741
I thought it was a good win over a solid guy. Quinatana may be a notch down from Collazo, but he's certainly one of the two best opponents Berto has ever fought.

But you're right, it didn't change my view of Berto as a talented fighter whose flaws and basic one-dimensionality keep him just below the true elite level. I think his day will come in a couple of years when the Floyd-Manny-Mosley-Cotto era is over. He won't be as good as any of those guys ever were, but with them gone he'll probably be good enough to rule the division.

Love to see a fight between Berto and Paul Williams, if PWill ever fights at 147 again.

There you go, FIXED. :lol:

As far as Quintana being one of the two best opponents Berto has fought, I agree. However, how much is that really saying for Berto? There are/were quality fighters in the welterweight division and Berto is just now fighting some of the quality boxers in the division. I am just wondering why he has fought some of the better boxers yet.

allaboutthesox · Apr 16, 2010

QUOTE (BGrif21125 @ Apr 16 2010, 06:37 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2901552
When Cotto was Berto's age, the best opponent he had faced to that point in his career was.... Carlos Quintana.

Now is the point where Berto can/should start stepping up his level of opposition.

Here are a few boxers that were pretty good at the same age the Berto is now as well:

1. Demarcus Corley (25)
2. Paulie Malignaggi (25)
3. Oktay Urkal (26)
4. Zab Judah (26)
5. Shane Mosley (2 weeks after hitting 27)

I am not saying Berto is a bad fighter, but I can't say that I am impressed by his resume of fights.

ElUno20 · Apr 17, 2010

These fights today, Pavlik/Martinez Bute/Miranda, are gonna be pretty explosive. All four guys love to trade and have power. I think Martinez is tough enough to give Kelly problems but Pavlik has one of the best straights in the business. If his vagina has healed, he should win the fight.

As much crap as Miranda has gotten for being overhyped and a waste, he's entertaining and most of his fights end in knockout. Plus, how are you gonna hate on a guy who used to eat roadkill as a kid?

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · Apr 17, 2010

QUOTE (ElUno20 @ Apr 17 2010, 10:38 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2903782
These fights today, Pavlik/Martinez Bute/Miranda, are gonna be pretty explosive. All four guys love to trade and have power. I think Martinez is tough enough to give Kelly problems but Pavlik has one of the best straights in the business. If his vagina has healed, he should win the fight.

As much crap as Miranda has gotten for being overhyped and a waste, he's entertaining and most of his fights end in knockout. Plus, how are you gonna hate on a guy who used to eat roadkill as a kid?

I think Pavlik-Martinez could be a replay of Pavlik-Hopkins. I like Pavlik, but he's a very basic, meat-and-potatoes kind of fighter. If he can get in close with his jab and land a couple of big right hands behind it, he might have a chance, but I just don't see how he matches up against Martinez's speed and movement. Martinez started to run out of gas late in the Williams fight, so maybe Kelly has some hope late, but otherwise, I'd expect a relatively one-sided Martinez decision. 117-111.

I doubt that's what HBO wants to see, because they're certainly counting on a Bute-Pavlik showdown at Super-Middleweight. I obviously can't see Miranda causing Bute any problems tonight, but he is entertaining and like they say with the lottery, hey, you never know.

ElUno20 · Apr 17, 2010

what about the size factor? Bhop was considerably larger than Pavlik and that won't be the case tonight.

PrestonBroadus Lives · Apr 17, 2010

QUOTE (Gene Conleys Plane Ticket @ Apr 17 2010, 04:00 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2904943
I think Pavlik-Martinez could be a replay of Pavlik-Hopkins. I like Pavlik, but he's a very basic, meat-and-potatoes kind of fighter. If he can get in close with his jab and land a couple of big right hands behind it, he might have a chance, but I just don't see how he matches up against Martinez's speed and movement. Martinez started to run out of gas late in the Williams fight, so maybe Kelly has some hope late, but otherwise, I'd expect a relatively one-sided Martinez decision. 117-111.

I doubt that's what HBO wants to see, because they're certainly counting on a Bute-Pavlik showdown at Super-Middleweight. I obviously can't see Miranda causing Bute any problems tonight, but he is entertaining and like they say with the lottery, hey, you never know.

Agreed on Bute-Miranda, though I am interested to see what effect, if any, Goossen has had on Miranda.

I don't agree with the Pavlik-Hopkins comparisons for Pavlik-Martinez. Uno's right about the size factor being big in the previous fight, but I also don't see Hopkins and Martinez' styles being all that similar. Hopkins changed up multiple times in that fight, switching between feints and traps and coming forward. I don't think too many fighters (Martinez included) can lay the claim that they're as cagey in the ring as Hopkins. Martinez' style is speed and slick, but it's unlikely he switches that style up much during the fight. Pavlik does have the skill to eventually figure Martinez out (this is, after all, a guy that beat a close to his prime Taylor twice, the second of which he just outboxed Taylor). All that said, I think this ends up being a great fight. Both guys have a ton riding on it and there's sure to be tons of action. I'm predicting a fight of the year candidate that Pavlik ends up putting a stamp on late.

thestardawg · Apr 17, 2010

QUOTE (PrestonBroadus Lives @ Apr 17 2010, 07:17 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2905190
Agreed on Bute-Miranda, though I am interested to see what effect, if any, Goossen has had on Miranda.

I don't agree with the Pavlik-Hopkins comparisons for Pavlik-Martinez. Uno's right about the size factor being big in the previous fight, but I also don't see Hopkins and Martinez' styles being all that similar. Hopkins changed up multiple times in that fight, switching between feints and traps and coming forward. I don't think too many fighters (Martinez included) can lay the claim that they're as cagey in the ring as Hopkins. Martinez' style is speed and slick, but it's unlikely he switches that style up much during the fight. Pavlik does have the skill to eventually figure Martinez out (this is, after all, a guy that beat a close to his prime Taylor twice, the second of which he just outboxed Taylor). All that said, I think this ends up being a great fight. Both guys have a ton riding on it and there's sure to be tons of action. I'm predicting a fight of the year candidate that Pavlik ends up putting a stamp on late.

I think Bute is more likely to be upset than Pavlik. I think Martinez is made for Pavlik, and he gets stopped middle rounds, provided Pavlik is truly healthy. When Pavlik was right, he had tremendous power, and I don't think Martinez, who is now a blown up 154 can take big punches from a guy who is probably a natural 168.

thestardawg · Apr 17, 2010

QUOTE (thestardawg @ Apr 17 2010, 09:57 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2906292
I think Bute is more likely to be upset than Pavlik. I think Martinez is made for Pavlik, and he gets stopped middle rounds, provided Pavlik is truly healthy. When Pavlik was right, he had tremendous power, and I don't think Martinez, who is now a blown up 154 can take big punches from a guy who is probably a natural 168.

Well so much for that.

Edison Miranda is an idiot. He was doing some nice things in the third round, but the posturing and the diving in with his head exposed was remarkably dumb.

ElUno20 · Apr 17, 2010

I love when guys get ktfo via their own stupidity. Miranda was boxing fine but nine months of training couldn't keep this idiot from going back to his old ways and walking right into a perfect uppercut.

SeoulSoxFan · Apr 17, 2010

Martinez is about to upset Pavlik - who just can't see the punches coming after two brutal cuts to his eyes. Round 12, and Pavlik looks done.

thestardawg · Apr 17, 2010

QUOTE (SeoulSoxFan @ Apr 17 2010, 11:40 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2906892
Martinez is about to upset Pavlik - who just can't see the punches coming after two brutal cuts to his eyes. Round 12, and Pavlik looks done.

Glad I wasn't wagering tonight. I'm guessing Martinez 114-113

SeoulSoxFan · Apr 17, 2010

And Martinez by a unanimous decision. Pavlik looks heartbroken.

Edit: and also facebroken. Took a beating the last 4 rounds.

thestardawg · Apr 17, 2010

QUOTE (SeoulSoxFan @ Apr 17 2010, 11:44 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2906929
And Martinez by a unanimous decision. Pavlik looks heartbroken.

Edit: and also facebroken. Took a beating the last 4 rounds.

Completely lost the fight with that second cut, and the inability of the corner to handle that cut.

PrestonBroadus Lives · Apr 17, 2010

Yeah, I really don't think he could see much out of the right eye. Martinez was moving to both sides all fight up until the 9th round when he started moving almost exclusively to his left. Martinez needed to up the aggresiveness for that last third of the fight and the cut gave him the ability to do so without much fear of being hit back.

Kelly needs to fire his cutman. It was in a bad spot, but didn't seem that deep. You could argue that it cost him the fight.

CrouchingTonyHiddenPena · Apr 18, 2010

I was always waiting for Pavlik to land that heavy right and sway the momentum in his favor permanently, but it just never did. Pavlik looked tired throughout, telegraphed almost every straight right with the half left jab lead-in, and IMVHO, looked scared of Martinez' counters frequently.

I could count on one hand how many times Pavlik actually used his brain and adapted to Martinez' counter punch clusters by throwing a backing up left hook. When he did, it usually landed, and at least made Martinez think twice a few times about countering at all. Also, Pavlik threw half the punches of Martinez and looked gassed the latter third of the fight.

In short, Martinez fought a perfect fight against Pavlik's power style. He kept his distance, played good defense with superb countering speed, and kept moving away from the big right. A deserved win. I had it just about right at 116-111 Martinez. I only gave Pavlik a 1pt edge in the round Martinez went down due to him tripping on his own mostly.

Lastly, I completely agree about his cutman. Epically horrendous handling of both cuts that did not look as bad as the blood would have us believe.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · Apr 18, 2010

Well, both of those fights went pretty much as expected. Miranda got stopped a little earlier than I would have thought, and Pavlik did better against Martinez, at least through those middle rounds, than I figured he would. But ultimately, all the training in the world isn't going to turn Edison Miranda into a different person. And Pavlik just can't cope with a pure boxer.

In the fifth round, Pavlik landed a solid left on Martinez's right eye that seemed to turn the fight his way, but when Martinez opened up that cut over Pavlik's right eye in the ninth, it was as if Pavlik's heart gave out. I think he mentally gave up on the fight at that point.

And yes, he needs a new cut man and most likely, a new trainer, too -- they often go together. Pavlik is smart enough and may have enough athletic ability to add something to his game, but his current trainer isn't going to do that for him. And if he goes into the rematch with Martinez without bringing anything new to the table, he's going to see basically the same result.

As for Miranda, I'm kind of tired of watching him get knocked silly. I doubt he'll retire or anything like that, but I hope he doesn't get any more big network fights.

ElUno20 · Apr 18, 2010

Does Kelly really want a rematch with Martinez? I mean really? The only guy more heartbroken than Kelly was probably PWill realizing he has to fight this guy again.

mclusky · Apr 18, 2010

QUOTE (ElUno20 @ Apr 18 2010, 12:09 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2907386
Does Kelly really want a rematch with Martinez? I mean really? The only guy more heartbroken than Kelly was probably PWill realizing he has to fight this guy again.

Really impressed with Martinez. Two fights giving up massive age, reach, and size advantages and arguably he comes out looking like the better man in both. As one of the HBO guys was saying, it's a shame there's so little out there at middleweight right now.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · Apr 19, 2010

QUOTE (BGrif21125 @ Apr 19 2010, 08:39 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2909039
And now Valero has killed himself:

Jesus. He was known to be a troubled kid, but I never knew he was that much more troubled than a lot of boxers. Wow. What a terrible story.

Also, he had a long-standing brain injury, from a motorcycle accident, that prevented him from being licensed to fight in the States. But I have to wonder, obviously he lived a very hard life, but did his brain injury affect his personality in any way? As has been reported in the recent NFL-concussion investigations, brain injuries can lead to depression and even suicidal behavior. Valero certainly had symptoms of severe depression, manifested in alcoholism and violent behavior..

Not in any way to excuse his evil actions, but I have to wonder whether he ever received the proper care for his head injury. And the wisdom of the various U.S. state commissions refusal to license him seems, in that respect, very well justified. Though I believe he did get a license in Texas, which tells you something.

Was this tragedy preventable? I think it may have been.

shawnrbu · Apr 19, 2010

Sounds very similar to Chris Benoit's downfall. I think if his brain is able to be studied, there will be significant damage found. It is unfortunate he was not institutionalized prior to taking an innocent victim from this world.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · Apr 22, 2010

According to this article in a Venezuelan paper, Psychological tests on Edwin Valero a few weeks before his suicide show that his earluer head trauma may have been at least partly the cause of his violent behavior (via Google Translate, so it's a little rough):

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Furthermore, the Venezuelan newspaper La Nacion reported that the psychiatric examination performed by world champion Edwin "Inca" Valero on March 26 described the personality of the boxer as "unstable, impulsive, possible mixed origin because of a history of head trauma old toxic damage associated with discovery of addiction to multiple substances in moderate dependence ", and recommended diagnostic tests corroborate the toxicological and" provide assistance for rehabilitation supervised specialized center.

Of course, there were other factors, such as...

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...psychosocial patterns of alcohol consumption boxer since age 9, of cannabis from the age of 11 and cocaine at age 12, as well as heroin, ecstasy and crack on a casual basis. There is talk of a "daily rate for cocaine and alcohol in varying amounts greater than 10 grams."

That's a lot of drugs. Combine that with a history of severe concussion and you're in for trouble.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · Apr 22, 2010

QUOTE (BGrif21125 @ Apr 22 2010, 09:15 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2917914
A fun weekend of fights coming up.

Kessler-Froch in the Super Six should be a good fight. I like Kessler by decision.

Adamek-Arreola should be a war while it lasts. I like Adamek to pull it out.

Adamek over Arreola. Late stoppage of UD. They are both brawlers, but Adamek also has some technical skills and Arreola has very few.

Kessler over Froch by UD. I hope he knocks him Froch out, though. Froch has to be the most annoying fighter in the sport, both in and out of the ring.

thestardawg · Apr 22, 2010

QUOTE (Gene Conleys Plane Ticket @ Apr 22 2010, 11:40 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2918122
Adamek over Arreola. Late stoppage of UD. They are both brawlers, but Adamek also has some technical skills and Arreola has very few.

Kessler over Froch by UD. I hope he knocks him Froch out, though. Froch has to be the most annoying fighter in the sport, both in and out of the ring.

Another reason to hate Froch, is he has by far, the hottest girlfriend in that division.

PrestonBroadus Lives · Apr 23, 2010

QUOTE (Gene Conleys Plane Ticket @ Apr 22 2010, 11:40 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2918122
Adamek over Arreola. Late stoppage of UD. They are both brawlers, but Adamek also has some technical skills and Arreola has very few.

Kessler over Froch by UD. I hope he knocks him Froch out, though. Froch has to be the most annoying fighter in the sport, both in and out of the ring.

I'm taking Arreola. At some point, Arreola's going to drag Adamek into a brawl and Adamek just isn't built to bang with a guy like Chris.

I don't think I've met one person that wants Froch to win. That guy is an arrogant jerk and, frankly, I've never been all that impressed with his fight skills. Kessler by UD. Although I've soured a bit on Abraham after his comments on the Dirrell fight, I can't wait for stage three when he fights Froch. I won't mind too much even if Froch is on his knees when Abraham knocks him out.

Don't forget about the Angulo-Julio fight also on HBO. Both guys with heavy hands and good chins that don't move too much. Should be a lot of entertaining exchanges in that fight.

thestardawg · Apr 23, 2010

QUOTE (PrestonBroadus Lives @ Apr 23 2010, 03:11 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2921161
I'm taking Arreola. At some point, Arreola's going to drag Adamek into a brawl and Adamek just isn't built to bang with a guy like Chris.

I don't think I've met one person that wants Froch to win. That guy is an arrogant jerk and, frankly, I've never been all that impressed with his fight skills. Kessler by UD. Although I've soured a bit on Abraham after his comments on the Dirrell fight, I can't wait for stage three when he fights Froch. I won't mind too much even if Froch is on his knees when Abraham knocks him out.

Don't forget about the Angulo-Julio fight also on HBO. Both guys with heavy hands and good chins that don't move too much. Should be a lot of entertaining exchanges in that fight.

Arreola KO 9 Adamek. I love watching both fighters, but Adamek hasn't felt a true heavyweight punch yet, and that may be his undoing

Froch KO 11 Kessler. Kessler looked cooked in his last fight, and hasn't looked like his old self since the Calzaghe fight.

Julio Ko 8 Angulo. Julio has real power, and Angulo isn't exactly known for his movement.

That being said, after these predictions, I fully expect Adamek, Kessler and Angulo to all win by decision.

ElUno20 · Apr 24, 2010

Julio winning tonight would be a big upset for me. He's not in the Miranda class yet but he was just as overhyped. I don't see him holding up to Angulo's pressure.

I hope Arreola fights with his shirt on so I can eat dinner while I watch the fights.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · Apr 24, 2010

Hell of a fight between Froch and Kessler. From an entertainment standpoint, easily the best fight of the Super Six tournament so far. Turned out to be quite the war.

I didn't score the fight as I was watching. My impression was that Kessler fought a better overall fight, but Froch won most if not all of the early rounds. But he did it, unexpectedly, with technique. Not what you'd expect from Froch, but I hadn't realized the significant reach advantage he has over Kessler, and in the first half of the fight he used it effectively. Kessler landed a few decent shots but for the most part just couldn't get close. Froch controlled the distance very well.

The big shot to Froch's nose, which despite what they said, I think actually did break Froch's nose, seemed to turn the momentum 180 degrees in Kessler's favor. As Froch slowed down, Kessler got inside and landed many, many big shots and mostly maintained the momentum throughout until the end.

So I can't say, until I watch it again, whether I thought the UD win for Kessler was the right decision, but it certainly wasn't an unfair decision. Though I have to agree with Froch that the 117-111 scorecard in favor of Kessler was definitely hometown scoring. That's 9 rounds to 3 and that, I just can't imagine.

Now, on to Arreola-Adamek, which should be another slugfest.

PS - One last prediction: Angulo over Julio by one-sided UD. (Stoppage wouldn't shock me, though.)

ElUno20 · Apr 25, 2010

Sadly, I only got a chance to watch the hbo card. I've heard about Julio changing his game and working with a new trainer but this was the first time I've seen him since. He fought a pretty good fight but Angulo just has t0o much Margarito in him.

On Adamek v. Nipple, I was surprised the judges didn't let the emotion of the crowd influence their scoring. Adamek deserved that decision, he did some serious work and only took punishment when he absolutely had to. And Arreola delivered another great post fight interview.

As for Adamek's post fight interview...
Max "Did he hurt you at any point in the fight"
Adamek "No. I'm Smartest. Fastest. I'm HIGHLANDER!"

Lost in translation.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · Apr 25, 2010

Now Froch is threatening to pull out of the Super Six if the Abraham fight ends up in Berlin -- where it would make a lot more money for everyone.

I kind of hope he does, because if he does he'll quickly fade to obscurity. There are no significant fights out there for him, especially now that he lost his belt, except Lucien Bute. And that one would be difficult to make with Bute under contract to HBO. I don't think HBO is very interested in Froch anyway. They had a hard enough time drawing ratings with Calzaghe, and Froch doesn't have nearly the fan base Calzaghe did. I think HBO wants Bute to fight Pavlik at Super-Middle, or move up to light-heavy to fight Chad Dawson.

Bye, bye, Froch.

Naehring11 · Apr 26, 2010

QUOTE (thestardawg @ Apr 23 2010, 09:09 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2922324
Arreola KO 9 Adamek. I love watching both fighters, but Adamek hasn't felt a true heavyweight punch yet, and that may be his undoing

Froch KO 11 Kessler. Kessler looked cooked in his last fight, and hasn't looked like his old self since the Calzaghe fight.

Julio Ko 8 Angulo. Julio has real power, and Angulo isn't exactly known for his movement.

That being said, after these predictions, I fully expect Adamek, Kessler and Angulo to all win by decision.

Awesome. :lol:

Froch actually fought better than I thought considering he kind of sucks. Kessler definitely isn't the same fighter he used to be. Neither of these guys is going to win the tournament.

It was nice to see Julio moving more and trying to box rather than just throw bombs like he used to, but it's like he went too far in that direction. I agree with the HBO guys who were saying he needed to sit on some punches occasionally. He's got great power and if he showed it a little more I think he would have had a chance. Angulo is a tough guy though.

I passed out during the Adamek-Arreola fight and woke up just in time to see Arreola drop "I look like fuckin Shrek!"

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · Apr 27, 2010

QUOTE (BGrif21125 @ Apr 27 2010, 08:36 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2929847
I can see why Froch would be worried about the issue of venue.

Both of his fights so far have been close, tough fights where the decision went to the hometown guy. His 3rd fight with Abraham figures to be similar. That being said, Froch isn't going anywhere. He's 1 win away from the semifinals and a guaranteed payday. The alternatives aren't that attractive.

The tournament is starting to heat up. The last 2 fights have been the 2 best of the tournament, and it's great that the standings are so tight going into the final stage.

I think Froch is pigheaded enough to actually mean what he says but yeah, in the end, I think he'll realize that going through with this fight is his best move. I don't think HBO cares about him, he'll have burned the bridge with Showtime and he's not that popular in the UK. With no belt to defend, there are no good fights out there for him, especially without either of the US cable networks on his side -- and he'll also have screwed over Sauerland, the top European promoter. So if he pulls out of this tournament, he goes back to being a local attraction around his native Nottingham. Good luck with that!

That said, I think he may get the same result from fighting Abraham. I just don't see what Froch has in his arsenal to beat Arthur Abraham. He boxed somewhat better than expectedly against Kessler, but he's no Andre Dirrell in there. He's got a hell of a chin, I'll give him that. But he'll need it because his defense is shaky. And against a puncher like Abraham, who may be the most powerful pound-for-pound puncher in the sport, even a great chin only goes so far. Froch's only hope is to rack up a lot of rounds early -- which is certainly possible against the slow-starting Abraham -- then weather the storm through the late rounds to take a narrow points decision.

But I don't think it will happen. I think that if he doesn't get knocked out, which is always a strong possibility, he'll get knocked down two or three times, losing the points he'll have won earlier and losing the decision in a fight that may end up closer on the scorecards than in the ring.

By the way, after rewatching the Kessler fight, I actually scored it even, 114-114, seven rounds each. A lot of those rounds were very, very tight so a one or two-round edge either way is definitely legitimate. Of course, Froch is going around calling the decision "a disgrace," which is ridiculous for a fight that close. But that's Carl Froch.

mabrowndog · Apr 27, 2010

Can't believe I'm the first to post this in here...

Chelsea MA native and two-time world champ John "The Quiet Man" Ruiz announced his retirement yesterday. It's a shame he never got more local and national press in his prime.

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Ruiz lost the title to Holyfield in their third straight fight within 16 months. Although Ruiz was not a big puncher and his style was plodding and tedious, he defeated three world champs — Holyfield, Tony Tucker, and Hasim Rahman — and lost two decisions to Nikolai Valuev, a 7-foot, 300-pound Russian.

Ruiz retired in 2005 after losing the WBA title to James Toney, who subsequently tested positive for anabolic steroids. Ruiz returned to boxing 10 days later and was reinstated as the champion when Toney was banned for two years. Ruiz lost his title belt later that year in a controversial decision to Valuev in Berlin.

Ruiz’s career path changed March 15, 1996, at Atlantic City, when he suffered a devastating first-round knockout to big-hitting David Tua. Ruiz resolved to become a more dedicated fighter, and he didn’t lose again until four years later, in the first of the Holyfield trilogy.

“I’m proud of what I’ve accomplished with two world titles, 12 championship fights, and being the first Latino heavyweight champion of the world,’’ Ruiz said. “I want to thank all of my fans for staying in my corner through a long, up-and-down ride.’’

mclusky · Apr 27, 2010

QUOTE (mabrowndog @ Apr 27 2010, 09:34 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2932109
Can't believe I'm the first to post this in here...

You'd believe it if you'd watched (or God forbid, paid for) any of his fights.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · Apr 30, 2010

The rematch between Juan Manual Marquez and Juan Diaz is now set for July 31.

That's good news. Should be another action-packed fight. The bad news is, it will be on HBO PPV. Ugh. No way this is a PPV fight circa 2010. This is the type of fight that would have gone to PPV in 2005 or 2006, when HBO put almost everything any good on PPV. I just hope there's some logistical or technical reason for it going to PPV, and not that HBO is falling back into its 2006 ways. Because I doubt I'll buy this one. It's a night out in a sports bar for me.

thestardawg · Apr 30, 2010

Do you all want my lock for tomorrow night so you can bet against it?

BoredViewer · May 2, 2010

QUOTE (Gene Conleys Plane Ticket @ Apr 30 2010, 11:47 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2936363
The rematch between Juan Manual Marquez and Juan Diaz is now set for July 31.

That's good news. Should be another action-packed fight. The bad news is, it will be on HBO PPV. Ugh. No way this is a PPV fight circa 2010. This is the type of fight that would have gone to PPV in 2005 or 2006, when HBO put almost everything any good on PPV. I just hope there's some logistical or technical reason for it going to PPV, and not that HBO is falling back into its 2006 ways. Because I doubt I'll buy this one. It's a night out in a sports bar for me.

This might make for a pretty entertaining fight, but Diaz is pretty much a scrub. No way should this be PPV.

If not for a criminally corrupt decision in the first Malignaggi fight, he should've lost his last 3 fights... and 4 out of 5. Baby Bull is a nice nickname, unfortunately for him he also punches like a baby.

Naehring11 · May 7, 2010

QUOTE (BoredViewer @ May 2 2010, 02:32 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2940626
This might make for a pretty entertaining fight, but Diaz is pretty much a scrub. No way should this be PPV.

If not for a criminally corrupt decision in the first Malignaggi fight, he should've lost his last 3 fights... and 4 out of 5. Baby Bull is a nice nickname, unfortunately for him he also punches like a baby.

Yeah, I loved watching his fights when he was coming up and he seems like a great guy but he just doesn't punch hard enough to be an elite fighter. If he had a good defense and could box better it would be one thing, but he doesn't have that ability. He should probably retire within the next couple years and use that college degree.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · May 7, 2010

Pretty good fight coming up on HBO this weekend. Kermit Cintron vs. Paul Williams. Great "crossroads" matchup at 154. Cintron has taken some very positive steps recently, but realistically, this is his last shot to be a championship contender. Williams carries the "most avoided man in boxing" title around and is on the verge of top PfP status. Cintron's the orthodox fighter and puncher with good boxing skills. Williams is the bigger guy -- big even for 154 at 6'2" with an 82" reach -- who punches at an unreal, non-stop rate. And a southpaw. But he's shown he can be hit pretty easily and that he's susceptible to a "boxing" style.

I think this one could be exciting.

Naehring11 · May 7, 2010

QUOTE (Gene Conleys Plane Ticket @ May 7 2010, 10:52 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2952434
Pretty good fight coming up on HBO this weekend. Kermit Cintron vs. Paul Williams. Great "crossroads" matchup at 154. Cintron has taken some very positive steps recently, but realistically, this is his last shot to be a championship contender. Williams carries the "most avoided man in boxing" title around and is on the verge of top PfP status. Cintron's the orthodox fighter and puncher with good boxing skills. Williams is the bigger guy -- big even for 154 at 6'2" with an 82" reach -- who punches at an unreal, non-stop rate. And a southpaw. But he's shown he can be hit pretty easily and that he's susceptible to a "boxing" style.

I think this one could be exciting.

I hope you're right but I feel like Williams is going to destroy Cintron. Cintron doesn't seem to do well when someone is pressuring him. Margarito completely broke him twice.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · May 7, 2010

QUOTE (Naehring11 @ May 7 2010, 11:09 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2952463
I hope you're right but I feel like Williams is going to destroy Cintron. Cintron doesn't seem to do well when someone is pressuring him. Margarito completely broke him twice.

Well, you could be right. Depends on whether the "new Cintron" or the "old Cintron" shows up. The new Cintron is a more complete boxer-puncher, who I think could give PWill a lot of problems. The old one is a KO specialist who folds when he's under attack.

'Course, Williams doesn't punch like Margarito and presumably won't be punching with plaster of paris in his gloves.

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