Sons of Peter McNeeley- Boxing Thread

inter tatters · Apr 25, 2008

Arthur - Guzman postponed

Bit of a shame that, as I was looking forward to that one next Saturday. You would've thought Guzman would've been in Britain already, but apparently he only went for his Visa interview this week - That seems a bit dumb to me, how quickly does he think Visa's get processed?

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · Apr 25, 2008

I didn't watch Wednesday Night Fights on ESPN this week, but I read later that Juan Urango scored a knockout of the year candidate KO against Carlos Vilches. Here's the clip:

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I have to admit, all I really knew about Urango was his lackluster performance against Ricky Hatton -- who himself had a lackluster performance in that fight. Urango obviously has something going for him. I have to wonder why he froze up against Hatton. He will definitely be able to build on this KO shot, however.

fletcherpost · Apr 30, 2008

BGrif21125 said:
In some interesting news, word is that Amir Khan has split with his trainer, and is looking to work with one of the big US trainers, with names like Roger Mayweather, Roach, and Steward being mentioned.

It seems that Khan is taking the Prince Hamed approach in regards to increasing his profile... getting a big name American trainer, coming over to the US for fights, etc.

Luckily for Khan i think he still has his ego in check.

fletcherpost · Apr 30, 2008

BGrif21125 said:
Hey, since when is a 10 minute ringwalk featuring curtains, silhouettes, dancing and flips a sign of an unchecked ego? :c070:

(Btw, Naz weighs about as much as Lennox Lewis these days)

I'm thinking more of when NAz was fighting in Vegas and they made a documentary about him and he was getting all hissy about the colour of gloves he wanted to use for the fight.

I thought, concentrate your energy on the fight dude. I'm sure he lost that fight.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · May 1, 2008

Damn, Ishe Smith is one boring-ass fighter. Watched his fight with Joel Julio on ESPN tonight. On Season 1 of THE CONTENDER Ishe came of as the bad guy, the trash talker who called everyone else out. But you watch this guy actually fight and you have to wonder why he chose boxing as a career. I've got nothing against defensive fighters -- but you have to mix at least some offense in there. After Smith's extraordinarily dull loss to Sechew Powell (another prospect-gone-bust) on Boxing After Dark a year or so ago, I'm amazed he even got a TV date on ESPN. I only wish Julio was a smart enough boxer to have figure this guy out and knocked him out. But Julio really didn't know what to do with him. He just moved forward and threw a lot of largely ineffective punches, winning the fight rather easily by virtue of the fact that until the last round, Smith did virtually nothing in return.

Teddy Atlas kept repeating, inexplicably, that Smith's style made the fight "interesting," but by the eighth even Teddy was rambling on about horse racing. What a snoozer.

mpl6993 · May 5, 2008

No talk of the De La Hoya fight yet?

I was impressed by Oscar and hit stand tall approach to a shorter fighter and the use of a ton of jabs. He didn't knock Forbes out but I really don't think he wanted to as he hasn't fought in a year and probably needs to work in the ring.

I as an Oscar fan hope this bodes well for the proposed rematch in September.

CrouchingTonyHiddenPena · May 5, 2008

mpl6993 said:
No talk of the De La Hoya fight yet?

I was impressed by Oscar and hit stand tall approach to a shorter fighter and the use of a ton of jabs. He didn't knock Forbes out but I really don't think he wanted to as he hasn't fought in a year and probably needs to work in the ring.

I as an Oscar fan hope this bodes well for the proposed rematch in September.

I loved his jab all fight. He was stopping Forbes dead on the spot with quite a few of them. It was the most technically sound and inspired DLH has looked through 12 full rounds in a couple of years IMO. Very impressive win. I await BGriff's and GCPT's dissertations on it (in all seriousness, as they're very nice to read).

CrouchingTonyHiddenPena · May 5, 2008

They're even better when read in Bert Sugar interview form.

inter tatters · May 7, 2008

Ruslan Chagaev has pulled out of his Heavyweight title defence against Nikolai Valuev due to an 'undisclosed virus' that has prevented him from sparring.

This 'undisclosed virus' must be sweeping Russia and the Ukraine, as it was the same excuse that was used for Dennis Inkin pulling out of his Super-Middleweight Title Eliminator with Carl Froch for the 2nd time in 3 months last week.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · May 7, 2008

I just got around to watching the De La Hoya-Forbes fight tonight. I gotta say, whoever described the HBO broadcast as an "infomercial" was right on. If you just listened to the HBO announcers, especially Emanuel Steward, you'd think De La Hoya had shaved 10 years off his age and was ready to pull off a stunning upset of Floyd Mayweather in September. But what I saw was a guy who, even though he won almost every round (I had it 11-1), was unable to get much serious damage done against a much smaller fighter and actually got pretty well busted up by the end of the fight. I just think he looked like a 36-year-old fighter in there. I think Mayweather is going to carve him up and may even stop him (if Mayweather wants to go for it rather than settle for what should be an easy decision).

The bright side of that scenario is that, hopefully, it'll stop Oscar from fighting Cotto. Not only would I fear for Oscar's health in that fight, but with OScar out of the picture, it leaves Floyd no choice but to fight Cotto -- or duck him.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · May 8, 2008

BGrif21125 said:
Mosley-Judah is postponed:

Well, that saves me 50 bucks this month! I was waffling on whether to buy this one, but probably owuld have ended up shelling out for it.

Slipped in the shower, huh? Possible I guess. 'Course it's equally possible that Zab got into s street fight and someone cut him.

When they reschedule this fight, I really hope it lands on "free" HBO instead. I believe HBO has plenty of open dates in the second part of the year. I never thought this was a legit PPV anyway. Though it would be cool if Golden Boy put it on the undercard of Oscar-Floyd II. That might make me a little less disgruntled about that fight.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · May 11, 2008

BGrif21125 said:
Huge upset loss by Junior Witter last night on Showtime. I guess this means all the talk about Hatton-Witter is over for the time being. Classic case of a guy apparently spending more time calling out the guy he can't fight instead of focusing on the opponent in front of him.

Looking forward to seeing Gamboa next weekend on HBO. We'll see if he's worthy of some of the "future Top 10 PFP" hype that he's been getting.

Ricky Hatton must be the happpiest person in England right now. Finally, this gadfly is off his back. Any pressure he might have felt to pay attention to Witter is now gone.

I kinda sympathize with Hatton here. I'd neer seen Witter fight before and I'll be happy if I never see him fight again. He's obviously very athletic and quick, but he takes "patient counterpunching" to a whole new level. If Bradley hadn't turned the fight around, it would have been excruciating to watch. Hell of an upset, though! That's what makes boxing so much fun to watch.

inter tatters · May 13, 2008

I'm so p*ssed off you have no idea. That was the worst I have ever seen Witter fight since he was beaten down by an in-prime Zab Judah 8 years ago. It was obvious he had his eyes on a bigger prize and has now let it all slip away. He was in control until Bradley nailed him in the 6th and after that he seemed completely out of rhythm, I had it for Bradley by 2 rounds and it seemed like a possible 'home-town' call that gave Witter even a split.

That's 2 months running that Yorkshire boxers have coughed-up their titles with no-shows (following Clinton Woods' abject display against Tarver). I'm sorta hoping Juan Lazcano pisses on Ricky Hatton's 'home-coming' parade in a fortnight, so we don't have to hear him bleating on about how he was right about Witter all along.

inter tatters · May 13, 2008

So the headline bout probably won't be much to talk about, but getting Kevin Mitchell on the Kelly Pavlik-Gary Lockett undercard should be a treat for you folks across the Atlantic who haven't seen him.

Mitchell to make American Debut

Mitchell is the 23yo British and WBO Intercontinental Super-Featherweight Champ and I think I mentioned his war with Carl Johanneson on the Haye-Maccarinelli undercard before. He is 26-0 and has KO'd 19 of them and is a real crowd pleaser with his all-action style, so will be well worth watching!

There is talk that he has taken this bout instead of going for the European Title, not sure why, but maybe a good show will bring a shot at fellow Brit Alex Arthur closer? Arthur is the WBO's Interim World Champ and is STILL waiting for his shot at 'Real' Champion Joan Guzman, after their fight was postponed for a 2nd time recently...

bosoxx05 · May 14, 2008

Cotto-Margarito in Vegas on July 26.
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Promoter Bob Arum recently said he was interested in holding the fight in Las Vegas to promote Cotto to a new audience while also playing to Margarito's Mexican-American fans in California. Arum believes a Las Vegas bout will perform better on pay-per-view as well.

BigA27 · May 14, 2008

This is alleged to be a picture of Judah's cuts, the tattoo somewhat matches so I think its reasonably credible.

I doubt that was done by a shower door.

Ahriman · May 17, 2008

Chris Byrd was thoroughly embarrassed tonight by Shaun George. I'm not sure how much of it had to do with Byrd's extreme weight loss, his already rapidly diminishing skills or George's devastatingly quick straight right, but Byrd had no chance 30 seconds into the 1st round.

Shaun George did look impressive, though. Very calm and collected in going about unleashing hell on Byrd.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · May 17, 2008

Ahriman said:
Chris Byrd was thoroughly embarrassed tonight by Shaun George. I'm not sure how much of it had to do with Byrd's extreme weight loss, his already rapidly diminishing skills or George's devastatingly quick straight right, but Byrd had no chance 30 seconds into the 1st round.

Shaun George did look impressive, though. Very calm and collected in going about unleashing hell on Byrd.

After the fight, Byrd unfortunately passed out and had to be hospitalized, apparently not as a result of the knockout but due to a reaction to medication he received in the locker room for his injured shoulder. His wife says she will never let him fight again, so it looks like Byrd is done. And he should be. He's had a great career and been in a lot of fights with much, much bigger men. Plus, losing 40 pounds the way he just did can't be healthy for an athlete -- it's not as if Byrd was fat as a heavyweight.

He's a very intelligent, well spoken guy. I would love it if HBO eased out Lennox Lewis from its BAD broadcasts and brought in Byrd.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · May 18, 2008

BGrif21125 said:
Byrd is toast. I always thought his move down to 175 was a way of avoiding the inevitable. Fighters who are at/near the end are always finding ways to convince themselves that they can still fight. So when Byrd looked done in his previous fights, instead of facing that reality, he got it into his head that he just needed to move down in weight and everything would be fine again.
Ya, agree completely. He's definitely announcer material. I also think he could possibly make a very good trainer. He was never extremely talented and got by on craft and ring intelligence, that would seem to translate well to training other fighters.

Yeah, when a fighter asks a ref to stop the fight, that's pretty much a cue that he's at the end of the road.

BGrif21125 said:
As for last night's HBO card:

I had heard a lot of buzz about Gamboa, so I watched a few of his previous fights on youtube over the past few days, and after watching those, I wasn't surprised that he struggled a bit last night. He's got great handspeed and looks to be a very good athlete, but he has no clue about defense and spends way too much time showboating. You can hold your hands by your side against Darling Jiminez and get away with it, but when he faces a well-schooled veteran fighter who knows how to step back and counter, Gamboa is going to get nailed all night long. He's got a lot of work to do. The raw talent is there, though. But I thought Kellerman was 100% right in pointing out that Jorge Linares is the real top prospect in the lower weights, not Gamboa. Linares is 4 years younger than Gamboa and is already much more polished.

Of the three prospects on display last night, Gamboa is clearly the one with most ability and the biggest career potentially ahead of him. Yet he gave the least impressive performance. Even though Gamboa clearly dominated every round except the one where he got knocked down, I think in a way, Jimenez exposed him a little bit. This was only Gamboa's 10th pro fight. Due to his extremely extensive Cuban amateur career, he's much further along than most 10-fight prospects. But I'd say he needs at least 5 more fights against "B+" or "A-" level competition before he's ready to go world class.

Vinho Tinto · May 19, 2008

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket said:
Plus, losing 40 pounds the way he just did can't be healthy for an athlete -- it's not as if Byrd was fat as a heavyweight.

His change in appearance is pretty drastic. Just comparing photos, I would have guessed between 60-75 pounds. I'm not for or against Byrd fan, but I couldn't watch the fight to the end. I can't derive pleasure from watching a fighter realize that his career is over.

ElUno20 · May 20, 2008

BGrif21125 said:
Of course, it's all contingent on Zab avoiding sharp objects between now and August.

You must mean bathing in a tub of nails?

Clottely has a solid chin, and as you stated, a high workrate. But he is also an extremely polished offensive fighter. I think he wears Zab down and gets a TKO. But as you noted, Zab Judah is entertaining. And that matters a lot in my book.

shawnrbu · May 24, 2008

Paulie's hair is a disgrace. And he is well on his way to losing his title in yet another upset in the barren wasteland of Junior Welterweight.

But, Paulie hangs on via Split Decision. Dramatic reading of the scores by Buffer. It should be noted Paulie broke his right hand in the 6th Round and the fight was pretty ugly for most of the duration.

Would be nice if Versus didn't cut to commercial with about five seconds to go in the round nearly every time.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · May 24, 2008

shawnrbu said:
Paulie's hair is a disgrace. And he is well on his way to losing his title in yet another upset in the barren wasteland of Junior Welterweight.

But, Paulie hangs on via Split Decision. Dramatic reading of the scores by Buffer. It should be noted Paulie broke his right hand in the 6th Round and the fight was pretty ugly for most of the duration.

Would be nice if Versus didn't cut to commercial with about five seconds to go in the round nearly every time.

Neither Paulie nor Hatton did a lot to build the excitement for their projected meeting in the fall. Both looked sloppy and subpar. For Paulie I think it was a combination of looking past the opponent, the injury, and the asinine hairstyle. Not sure why he was allowed to come into the ring with his hair tied so loosely back. Lennox Lewis wore long dreadlocks for much of his career and he never had this problem. Ridiculous.

For Hatton, I just think he's halfway over the hill. Obviously the knockout by Mayweather affected him on a pretty deep level. But that may have just accelerated a natural decline. The yo-yoing weight and "lads down the pub" lifestyle between fights as well as the bruisning, mauling style in the ring take their toll. Seeing the number of clean and often very hard shots he took from Juan Lazcano, I would really worry about him in there against a real world class fighter. What's worse is that there aren't many of those at 140, so he just collect paychecks there if he wants, but for the really big fights he's going to have to move up to 147 again. That wasn't a good idea pre-Mayweather. Now it looks like suicide.

shawnrbu · May 24, 2008

Paulie might have also been hurt by having to fight outdoors. Not sure if that is something he has done before. He doesn't look like the type of guy who should be outside in 50 degree weather without a shirt on.

Hatton took his lumps today, but I don't think his marketability will suffer. He maintains his rep as an action fighter since it was a pretty good scrap with Lazcano. It wouldn't stun me to see him fight Oscar or even Pacman in 2009. He might want to take the Paulie fight later this year in the UK. He should be able to rough Paulie up without much chance of being knocked for a loop.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · May 24, 2008

BGrif21125 said:
There's a first time for everything... and I've definitely never seen a guy get a haircut in between rounds before. Only in boxing...

Malignaggi looked like crap for the 2nd fight in a row. If he broke his hand, then that's a legit excuse, but I don't think he was really looking that good even before the hand injury. It'll be interesting to see if Malignaggi will still be available as an opponent for Hatton. If he needs surgery, he could be out several months.

I've been saying for a while that when Hatton hit his decline phase, it wouldn't be a gradual decline, it would be a fall off of a cliff instead. He may be well on the way. He got legitmately hurt on at least two occasions late in the fight. However, I will say, that while Hatton didn't look good, I did think he was entertaining. I've bashed him over and over again for all the clutching and wrestling he does, but in this fight I thought he cut back on that and let his hands go. I thought it was a very entertaining 12 rounds, and this is coming from someone who usually finds Hatton to be near-unwatchable. So I give him credit for that.

The announcers were jumping on the ref for the shoe-tying delay, but I actually thought that was acceptable. What was annoying was the neverending lecture the ref gave Lazcano prior to sending Hatton to the corner for the shoe issue.

If Hatton-Malignaggi does still happen, I think I'd still consider Hatton a slight favorite in that fight. And if he did win, I think he goes for a megafight against Pacquiao. As Gene already said, going up to 147 for another big fight would be suicide. Hatton would get annihilated by any of the top welters. And really, it's not even about the weight difference, 147 is just operating on a different skill level right now from every other weight class.

Yeah, that referee incident, the seemingly interminable "warning" delivered by the ref to Lazcano prior to the shoe incident, was just another example of why Hatton will never lose a fight in the UK (except maybe to Mayweather if God forbid that ever happens). That was about as suspicious as anything I've ever seen in the ring. Hatton looked ready to go at that point. One or two good shots by Lazcano, I think, would have ended it. But we'll never know.

I assume Hatton-Malignaggi, if it happens, would be in Madison Sqaure Garden. Paulie of course has a NYC following, and it should be easy for Hatton's legions to make the jump across the pond to New York. I think that's an instant MSG sellout.

inter tatters · May 27, 2008

Sorry for the lack of comment recently, my SKY box has been out of commission for nearly a month and I've had do live with just the 4 'terrestrial' UK Channels, which allowed me to see the Witter-Bradley bout and nothing else. It was repaired yesterday, so hopefully I'll watch a few more fights in the near future - Starting with Pavlik-Lockett a week Saturday.

As for Hatton, I'm not really surprised he won, but the British press were a little underwhelming about his performance. I'm still waiting to see the 'boot incident', but Rafael says it was a 'blatant home town Ref' call. Not sure how true that was, but I wouldn't be surprised, as Ricky losing would've been another blow to the British fight game, that's lost a couple of Title's recently after an amazing purple patch late last year.

BTW, I was reading Joan Guzman's interview, regarding vacating his Super-Featherweight belt and Alex Arthur becoming Champ in his place. Strange how differing the views of both camps are isn't it? Guzman says Frank Warren was screwing him around over another scheduled bout, after Guzman 'forgot' to get his Visa application in in time and the bout in Scotland was cancelled at a week's notice. Meanwhile Warren insists that Guzman never wanted to come over in the 1st place. The fall-out of it all, is that Guzman is off to Lightweight and Britain has another World Champ, however dubious that title may be! :c070:

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · May 27, 2008

inter tatters said:
Sorry for the lack of comment recently, my SKY box has been out of commission for nearly a month and I've had do live with just the 4 'terrestrial' UK Channels, which allowed me to see the Witter-Bradley bout and nothing else. It was repaired yesterday, so hopefully I'll watch a few more fights in the near future - Starting with Pavlik-Lockett a week Saturday. :c070:

As for Hatton, I'm not really surprised he won, but the British press were a little underwhelming about his performance. I'm still waiting to see the 'boot incident', but Rafael says it was a 'blatant home town Ref' call. Not sure how true that was, but I wouldn't be surprised, as Ricky losing would've been another blow to the British fight game, that's lost a couple of Title's recently after an amazing purple patch late last year.

I thought this article summed things up pretty well.

Both Hatton and Malignaggi did very little to increase the minor demand for their potential bout. They did very little to impress the viewing audience. Hatton was given a hand-picked opponent and still managed to find himself in rocky waters on at least two occasions. The ref stopping the action in the tenth-round, while Hatton was buzzed, to allow the Hatton corner to tie Ricky's shoe, did not make the performance look any better.

Between the two of them, Malignaggi had the tougher opponent, and it's always hard to motivate yourself for a fighter you previously dominated for twelve-rounds. Because he lacks power, Malignaggi will always have to prepare himself to go twelve-rounds.

In his last two outings, his performances have been below the standard of an elite fighter. Despite the hype, N'dou is tough, but he is not an elite fighter and neither is Herman Ngoudjo.

It could be worse when comparing Malignaggi's outings to the last two of Hatton. Malignaggi has the better chin and the tougher body. I don't think Hatton could have withstood the kind of beating that Miguel Cotto placed on Malignaggi in 2006.

Malignaggi didn't look good, but he got the job done against a tough guy who he didn't want to fight (again), and with a bad hand. Hatton dominated the scorecards as he should have but he looked slow and got hit and hurt a lot by an opponent who was the very definition of "hand-picked." If he'd been in against a harder puncher at 140 -- Ricardo Torres, say -- Hatton would have been flat on his back and the ref could have tied both his shoes, adjusted his cup, rinsed his mouthpiece and wiped his ass and it still wouldn't have saved him.

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · May 27, 2008

BGrif21125 said:
David Haye has signed with Golden Boy.
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What I don't get is... why wait all the way until November to fight again? His fight in March lasted about 5 minutes, no reason to sit around for 8 months. He should be staying active.

Regardless, Haye is exactly what the heavyweight division needs. He's an exciting fighter, a huge puncher (at cruiserweight, at least), and has a very outgoing and cocky personality. I question whether he can compete with the big heavyweights like Wlad and Peter, but at least I'm interested to find out.

I expect he'll start out his heavyweight campaign by fighting some smaller stepping stone opponents. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the corpse of James Toney gets a call. He fits the bill... he's got a big recognizable name, a HOF resume, he's old, he's completely shot, and he doesn't punch like a heavyweight. Plus, he has a historically great chin, so if Haye were able to stop him, Haye and his promoters could pass that off as a sign that Haye is a legit KO puncher at heavyweight. You could also take Toney's name out of this paragraph and replace it with Holyfield's.

Haye is saying he wants two fights at HW, then he wants Klitschko. (Supposedly his first tune-up will be against Hasim Rahman.)

What I don't get is, why would Klitschko, who is basically the recognized heavyweight champion, agree to an "away game" by fighting Haye in London, which is apparently called for under Haye's contract? I think Klitschko beats Haye pretty much anywhere, but I just don't see why the recognized champ needs to put himself at any disadvantage. That fight needs to be in Germany (Klitschko's ballpark) or at MSG or Vegas.

ElUno20 · May 27, 2008

The Versus announce team is one of the most critical I have ever heard. It's like they are competing for Larry Merchant's job.

If he'd been in against a harder puncher at 140 -- Ricardo Torres, say -- Hatton would have been flat on his back

In the 10th round, he got hit with the same 'check' left hook Floyd hit him with. Same exact punch.

inter tatters · May 28, 2008

As for why David Haye is waiting until November, he did say after his fight with Macca that he would be taking 6 months off to allow the extra weight to be added 'naturally'. It's widely recognised that he could easily add another 30lbs and not have any of his speed affected (some have even said he could go as high as 245), so I guess he's sticking to his plan and waiting for it to occur.

Rahman's name has been mentioned many times when it comes to Hayes 1st fight at Heavyweight. In fact he was mentioned as an opponent before he fought Maccarinelli, but he wanted way too much money apparently. We'll have to see what happens, I guess...

Gene Conleys Plane Ticket · May 29, 2008

BGrif21125 said:
By FAR the least surprising story of 2008 so far.....

Word is now that Zab Judah didn't really hurt his arm by slipping in the shower. That story was bogus...shocker!

Supposedly, he got into a big argument with his Dad, then threw a temper tantrum, and as part of his tantrum, he decided to punch his arm thru a glass door at the gym he was training at.

Way to go, Zab.

And Judah responds:

“I released my own picture. Dan Rafael’s a piece of shit. I know him. He know me. He’s a piece of shit. Fuck him. Tell him I said ‘Keep writing stories. Have a good day.’ ”

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