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My goodness what a list! Love all of these. Hagler Hearns I'd add too. Cotto Margarito, Ali Frazier 2 and 3 as well
Yes, Hagler Hearns is the goat. Cotto Margarito 2 I assume you mean, Miguel’s Revenge after Margarito beat him with loaded gloves in the first fight.

Man, what a shame about Paul Williams by the way.

Donaire v Walters is another one. Man did Walters look unstoppable in that fight. Till he entered the Matrix.
 

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Yes, Hagler Hearns is the goat. Cotto Margarito 2 I assume you mean, Miguel’s Revenge after Margarito beat him with loaded gloves in the first fight.

Man, what a shame about Paul Williams by the way.

Donaire v Walters is another one. Man did Walters look unstoppable in that fight. Till he entered the Matrix.
Honestly, if you have the time...i think you gotta go Cotto Marg 1 - the face off where Cotto breaks out the ipad - then Cotto Marg 2

Sucks about PW but I remember reading he's dealt with it as well as someone could in that situation. And he was a Haymon fighter so financially he was set up fine (properties, investments).

On the topic of Donaire, donaire vic 1 was awesome
 

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Yeah, young Donaire was a force of nature. Looking at his boxrec, he’s got quite the resume. Lots of wars though, but one of the guys who fought everyone.
 

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Yeah, young Donaire was a force of nature. Looking at his boxrec, he’s got quite the resume. Lots of wars though, but one of the guys who fought everyone.
And he just beat a guy he was like 10 years older than and snatched his title.

His post prime career has been impressive. He even went to war with Inoue
 

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Highly highly strongly strongly recommend the ken burns pbs doc series on Ali. Even with probably consuming every Ali doc content put out in my life, it's still excellent.

The 3rd ep on the frazier/Vietnam/2nd frazer/foreman lead up period of his life was great.
 

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Usyk's head movement and footwork were masterclass today. Joshua's game plan to stand in the middle of the ring and decide the fight as boxing match and contrast of skills was a huge mistake
 

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Also, I'd give usyk p4p #1 easy.

Really cool to see the love he's getting from fighters across Twitter today
 

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I mean, it’s insane. I realize Wilder also came in light, but it’s a real retort to the refrain that Ali or Lewis or other old time heavyweight champs would get crushed by the modern guys. 6’3 216 is about 8ish pounds more than Ali usually came in at and around 4-5 less than Lewis.
 

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I mean, it’s insane. I realize Wilder also came in light, but it’s a real retort to the refrain that Ali or Lewis or other old time heavyweight champs would get crushed by the modern guys. 6’3 216 is about 8ish pounds more than Ali usually came in at and around 4-5 less than Lewis.
I feel boxing is one of the few sports you can compare eras like this. And honestly, the volume you had to throw and chin you had to have back then was on a level we'll never get back to (for fighters safety and health this is a good thing).
 

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I feel boxing is one of the few sports you can compare eras like this. And honestly, the volume you had to throw and chin you had to have back then was on a level we'll never get back to (for fighters safety and health this is a good thing).
Well shit, just 15 rounds.
 

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Pacquiao retired last night. I hope one day he gets a ken burns esque documentary. Maybe after he's done being president of the Phillipines
 

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Marciano, please give me your expertise. I dont see this massive blow out of Fury destroying Wilder again.

He hit 2 massive on the ear shots in the 2nd fight, which arent improbable but are more like 4pt plays to me, that changed everything.
 

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I’m not sure there will be a blowout. We’ve never seen Wilder lose, maybe he’ll fight scared now, maybe he’ll come in doubly determined and fix some of the huge holes in his game.

That said - Fury dominated the first fight outside the knockdown round and maybe 2-3 others. Wilder hit Fury flush twice in the second fight with Fury at his new weight and he absolutely ate both shots. Didn’t phase him at all.

So, Fury is the better boxer. Wilder doesn’t have the power to hurt him - at least not with one shot. And Fury has the power both to hurt and wear down Wilder.
 

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I’m not sure there will be a blowout. We’ve never seen Wilder lose, maybe he’ll fight scared now, maybe he’ll come in doubly determined and fix some of the huge holes in his game.

That said - Fury dominated the first fight outside the knockdown round and maybe 2-3 others. Wilder hit Fury flush twice in the second fight with Fury at his new weight and he absolutely ate both shots. Didn’t phase him at all.

So, Fury is the better boxer. Wilder doesn’t have the power to hurt him - at least not with one shot. And Fury has the power both to hurt and wear down Wilder.
You dont put any stock into Wilder having a real trainer now? He's literally just needs 1 basic skill added to his power, imo, to be deadly.

Here's an example of one those behind the ears shots44827
 

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I didn’t see/hear a ton from Wilder that makes me think having a new trainer for a title fight is going to make him willing or able to overcome a decade of bad habits. He really need a total tear down and rebuild, because he has the skills to be a total fighter.

And, yes, those shots were well placed. I mean look at the size of Fury’s glove. He’s basically covering half of Wilder’s head. I wouldn’t say they were dirty and I wouldn’t be surprised if he lands something similar again.
 

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I didn’t see/hear a ton from Wilder that makes me think having a new trainer for a title fight is going to make him willing or able to overcome a decade of bad habits. He really need a total tear down and rebuild, because he has the skills to be a total fighter.

And, yes, those shots were well placed. I mean look at the size of Fury’s glove. He’s basically covering half of Wilder’s head. I wouldn’t say they were dirty and I wouldn’t be surprised if he lands something similar again.
I hear you. I was initially leaning Wilder because the total teardown did happen with Malik Scott + the delay gave them more time to work but you're probably right.

It's just so hard for me to wrap my brain around Fury being a responsible and disciplined adult two fights in a row.
 

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I hear you. I was initially leaning Wilder because the total teardown did happen with Malik Scott + the delay gave them more time to work but you're probably right.

It's just so hard for me to wrap my brain around Fury being a responsible and disciplined adult two fights in a row.
Been like 5-6 now, including the fights leading up to the title. Addiction is obviously a lifelong struggle and there are a lot of strong people who never climb out, but Tyson legit seems to. If you just meant in ring, I think he had the proper game plan both fights. Yes, he got hit, but you’re never going to go 12 rounds and not eat something. Even Floyd would take a couple good shots - McGregor, Mosley, Cotto, Maidana.
 

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Been like 5-6 now, including the fights leading up to the title. Addiction is obviously a lifelong struggle and there are a lot of strong people who never climb out, but Tyson legit seems to. If you just meant in ring, I think he had the proper game plan both fights. Yes, he got hit, but you’re never going to go 12 rounds and not eat something. Even Floyd would take a couple good shots - McGregor, Mosley, Cotto, Maidana.
Yeah i meant in the ring. Outside the ring, he seems to have gotten a hold of things, thankfully.
 

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Yeah i meant in the ring. Outside the ring, he seems to have gotten a hold of things, thankfully.
He’d clown some, but usually after testing his opponent’s power. He doesn’t get reckless too often, and I think when he does it almost amps him up. Like remember when Hogan or Flair would take chest chops to get psyched up? Fury seems to do the same.
 

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So i watched the 2nd fight again and two main takeaways

One, fury got away with a ton of rabbit punches. Consistently throughout the fight.

Two, whatever the reason, Wilder's legs were gone in the 2nd round. This is before any real damage. They were just done and he still stood and exchanged just off heart and grit.

I'm changing my lean. Fury is going to sleep Saturday
 

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So i watched the 2nd fight again and two main takeaways

One, fury got away with a ton of rabbit punches. Consistently throughout the fight.

Two, whatever the reason, Wilder's legs were gone in the 2nd round. This is before any real damage. They were just done and he still stood and exchanged just off heart and grit.

I'm changing my lean. Fury is going to sleep Saturday
Lil wager?
 

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Wilder is the heaviest of his career, all from the weight room. Fury shouldve hit 3 bills. This is a great sign for wilder. He's built like a damn semi truck
 

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A focused and disciplined and trained up Wilder v a focus and disciplined Fury is a potential all-time great heavyweight bout. No hyperbole, no cap.
 

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A focused and disciplined and trained up Wilder v a focus and disciplined Fury is a potential all-time great heavyweight bout. No hyperbole, no cap.
A combo of fights 1 and 2. Methodically but with a little more action would be great.
 

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Probably about 40 minutes from ring walks

Leaning back fury. He looks so relaxed.