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I know that this isn't his thread, but the other night I head Adam Jones and it sounded like someone doing a very bad Mike Felger impression. It was absolutely awful. I'm not sure why you'd listen to Felger for four hours and then say, "You know what? I need a worse, less funny, less self-aware Mike Felger copycat with 1/3 of the talent and I need to listen to THAT for another four hours."
 

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You mean you don't enjoy Jim Murray and Adam Jones talking about how it wasn't a real win, it was a fake win in post games? Yeah they won, but they should have won by more. The Patriots win doesn't count because Kyler Murray got hurt. Yeah they would have lost and deserved to if Hopkins didn't fumble!

I dont know why any fan listens to that type of crap, especially after a win
If I wanted to be brought down from my high by negativity, I'd just talk to my wife. [\Ralph Kramden]
 

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Overall changes for the worse imo, i hope this is essentially payroll induced because these changes make all of their shows weaker! Especially the most important timeslot which is the 2-6, Mego as the third wheel was bad enough, and now they give her the most important spot in the company lmao, good luck with that...

Mut would of been a good drop in for the 2-6 to help handle Megos constant cringe, this Arcane guy i have no clue about but from the little i have listened to i can see why the hub moved on from him because he is about as exciting to listen to as a 5th grade economics teacher! The one i don't get is putting Christian with Gresh and moving Keefe to the part time spot, that shift doesn't make any sense to me.

Best of luck to Lou who i hope will eventually become the color guy on the nesn red sox broadcast. He is the best person for the spot imo as nearly all the fill in guys last year left a lot to be desired, probably the best one imo was Kevin Millar.
 

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I know that this isn't his thread, but the other night I head Adam Jones and it sounded like someone doing a very bad Mike Felger impression. It was absolutely awful. I'm not sure why you'd listen to Felger for four hours and then say, "You know what? I need a worse, less funny, less self-aware Mike Felger copycat with 1/3 of the talent and I need to listen to THAT for another four hours."
Peak Felger was in the mid 2010s right after Red Sox eliminations. He seemed to channel the appropriate anger against Lucchino/Henry/Werner and connected with the consensus.
 

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Keefe touched on it at the start of the last #Dork Podcast and he's clearly pissed, as to be expected.
 

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WEEI hired Adam Jones for afternoon drive, they seem to be trying to replicate Felger rather than an alternative. I guess they’ve tried a few alternatives and it hasn’t worked, we will see if this does.
 

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WEEI hired Adam Jones for afternoon drive, they seem to be trying to replicate Felger rather than an alternative. I guess they’ve tried a few alternatives and it hasn’t worked, we will see if this does.
Where do you see this? If so LOL.

Eidt: Found it. I love Arcand but the show him And Jones did is not for drive time. Jones, Arcand and Meg O would be odd.

I’d still listen to Jones and Arcand over Felger and Mazz. Jones was clearly disgruntled with Beasley after he was cast by himself. (Fred and Rich seem not far behind). No wonder Keefe is pissed. He goes from Jones sidekick to Midday Host and then gets kicked to nights and his replacement on the Adam Jones show gets the nod over him afternoon drive. That sucks for Keefe.

I havent listened to either station after 2 except for a few min here and there in probably 5 years. Both shows have been awful.
 
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On phone so I suck but this was tweeted by like "bostonmediawatch" or something
 

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Contrary to a lot of the posters, I enjoy Jones in micro doses. I also enjoyed Arcand in a variety of spots on 98.5. But the Dark Knight/Sports Vulture persona 100% of the time in drive time will be cringey. Maybe Meg can regulate a little bit.

I will say F&M’s schtick has grown very old for me, and all the repeat segments they do that drive ratings have the opposite effect on me (i.e. I change channels). Maybe the best EEI can hope for are 98.5 switchers who come over until Jones becomes intolerable again, at which time they just switch back. Would EEI consider that a “win” at this point?

That and the fact that MegO/Arcand/Jones is a significantly younger team than Felger/Mazz/Murray and can peel off more of the coveted demographic that F&M now take for granted.
 

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Contrary to a lot of the posters, I enjoy Jones in micro doses. I also enjoyed Arcand in a variety of spots on 98.5. But the Dark Knight/Sports Vulture persona 100% of the time in drive time will be cringey. Maybe Meg can regulate a little bit.

I will say F&M’s schtick has grown very old for me, and all the repeat segments they do that drive ratings have the opposite effect on me (i.e. I change channels). Maybe the best EEI can hope for are 98.5 switchers who come over until Jones becomes intolerable again, at which time they just switch back. Would EEI consider that a “win” at this point?

That and the fact that MegO/Arcand/Jones is a significantly younger team than Felger/Mazz/Murray and can peel off more of the coveted demographic that F&M now take for granted.
Don’t forget that Jim Murray on F&M is even worse than Jones at his worst. It’s a race to the bottom between those two.

I’ve said here for a lot of COVID Jones and Arcand when not talking about sports was great. Once COVID kind of went to the background Jones became awful again and then when Arcand was gone it became the worst radio I’ve ever heard.
 

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Don’t forget that Jim Murray on F&M is even worse than Jones at his worst. It’s a race to the bottom between those two.
Jones is worse and it’s not even close.
At his core, Jim wants the teams to win. He gets negative when owners cheap out (Red Sox) or let a legend walk away (Patriots). Now, I do think he could calibrate a bit, for sure but deep down he wants them to succeed and is “calling them out” when they don’t. In some ways that’s the formula for a very successful sports radio host.

Jones? On field results don’t matter to him. He wants to find the negative angle because that’s what HE thinks is the way to host an entertaining show.
 

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Where do you see this? If so LOL.

Eidt: Found it. I love Arcand but the show him And Jones did is not for drive time. Jones, Arcand and Meg O would be odd.

I’d still listen to Jones and Arcand over Felger and Mazz. Jones was clearly disgruntled with Beasley after he was cast by himself. (Fred and Rich seem not far behind). No wonder Keefe is pissed. He goes from Jones sidekick to Midday Host and then gets kicked to nights and his replacement on the Adam Jones show gets the nod over him afternoon drive. That sucks for Keefe.

I havent listened to either station after 2 except for a few min here and there in probably 5 years. Both shows have been awful.
Keefe went from sidekick to Jones to DRIVE TIME and then got destroyed in the rating by F&M, like 1 listener to 4 bad.
Keefe then was demoted to midday and got destroyed again by Zo & Beetle, again like 1 listener to 4 bad.

Looks like the the new program director(who used to be 98.5's program director) strategy is to get hosts from #1 rated shows rather than hosts with bad ratings at multiple time slots.

I know Keefe is the darling of this message board but at some point you need to get ratings
 

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Keefe went from sidekick to Jones to DRIVE TIME and then got destroyed in the rating by F&M, like 1 listener to 4 bad.
Keefe then was demoted to midday and got destroyed again by Zo & Beetle, again like 1 listener to 4 bad.

Looks like the the new program director(who used to be 98.5's program director) strategy is to get hosts from #1 rated shows rather than hosts with bad ratings at multiple time slots.

I know Keefe is the darling of this message board but at some point you need to get ratings
I saw going from 3rd chair on drive time to named host of middays as a promotion but I agree with your overall point. I love Keefe and I get why a lot of people don’t, it’s a results business. Unless Jones takes it down about 4 notches of vulture, which he actually can, I don’t see him succeeding but what do I know.
 

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To somewhat echo the sentiments above, Keefe really is a great podcast host but on a terrestrial radio station. He's a favorite of mine, but I'm someone who listens to the radio once in a great while. It really is a dying medium and the more sophisticated listeners have gone to more targeted shows online. So you are left with a majority of the listening audience who aren't exactly seeking out nuance or a wry sense of humor with their mouthbreathing sports takes.
 

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Don’t forget that Jim Murray on F&M is even worse than Jones at his worst.
One distinction that might be notable is that Murray is a massive man child. I've heard people talk about Jones and that when he's not on the radio how he's actually a great human being. Murray however throws tantrums when he's inconvenienced in some slight way. Just last week he talked about having had two suspended driving licenses because he's always in a hurry and gave a shout out to a Melrose cop who watched him run a stop sign and pulled him over but didn't give him a ticket after recognizing him. Just an absolute spoiled brat.
Not to mention he's the "I hope you outlive your children!" guy.
 

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One distinction that might be notable is that Murray is a massive man child. I've heard people talk about Jones and that when he's not on the radio how he's actually a great human being. Murray however throws tantrums when he's inconvenienced in some slight way. Just last week he talked about having had two suspended driving licenses because he's always in a hurry and gave a shout out to a Melrose cop who watched him run a stop sign and pulled him over but didn't give him a ticket after recognizing him. Just an absolute spoiled brat.
Not to mention he's the "I hope you outlive your children!" guy.
There was one weekend he was so proud that he went to Starbucks, they didnt Have his order out and said fuck it I’ll just take someone else’s and they can deal with it. Seems like a selfish prick.
 

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I saw going from 3rd chair on drive time to named host of middays as a promotion but I agree with your overall point. I love Keefe and I get why a lot of people don’t, it’s a results business. Unless Jones takes it down about 4 notches of vulture, which he actually can, I don’t see him succeeding but what do I know.
Just to clarify, i think we're on the same page as far as who we like and don't like for the most part on sports radio. i think if this website was in control of a radio station we wouldn't produce better ratings on a dying medium. i think Keefe is screwed, mutt brought up no co hosts and they took all his good guests like Curran and that ex nfl player and moved them to earlier time slots. He only has a job until his contract ends, that's the pattern
 

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There was one weekend he was so proud that he went to Starbucks, they didnt Have his order out and said fuck it I’ll just take someone else’s and they can deal with it. Seems like a selfish prick.
I remember that. He got ripped pretty good on Twitter over it but didn't back down an inch. Just the biggest man child.
 

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I view Adam Jones moving to WEEI as a good thing. Now when I click on 98.5 there's no chance of hearing him, whether its tuning in briefly at night time or him filling in for someone. When he's on the air its an instant turn off or change the channel for me. At WEEI he will be totally destroyed in the ratings by Felger and Mazz (why listen to the Felger clone when you can listen to the original?) and maybe a few years from now he's got no local job in radio at all.

As for the Adam Jones vs. Jim Murray debate, I do find Murray more listenable. Murray comes off more as an every man while Jones comes off as extremely arrogant. As a person? Don't really know anything about Jones personally. I do know that Murray wanted a caller's children to die simply because he didn't agree with him about the Celtics. Horrible human being.

On a related note I noticed that DJ Bean just got fired. Know him only as being an Adam Jones wannabee. Being a ripoff of a ripoff doesn't have high job prospects I suppose. The problem in being the troll in this market is that there's already dozens of media members doing that. Absent the rare person like Felger, you're no one special and you're easily replaceable doing that schtick.
 

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Only been a few shows with Mego in the big seat now without Lou and Christian and it is unlistenable for me! Oh well as said it's not like the show was pulling in huge numbers before, but really the dynamic was lost when they decided spaz was too much to handle on air, and that they needed to force feed a female voice to the show. Oh well they got what they wanted, well except for ratings of course but with some of these people in charge i think perception is more important to them.
 

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I’ve said here for a lot of COVID Jones and Arcand when not talking about sports was great. Once COVID kind of went to the background Jones became awful again and then when Arcand was gone it became the worst radio I’ve ever heard.
Interesting. I can't say I've heard Jones talk about anything non-HOT SPORTS TAKEZ related. What was the material that made him more listenable?
 

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Only been a few shows with Mego in the big seat now without Lou and Christian and it is unlistenable for me! Oh well as said it's not like the show was pulling in huge numbers before, but really the dynamic was lost when they decided spaz was too much to handle on air, and that they needed to force feed a female voice to the show. Oh well they got what they wanted, well except for ratings of course but with some of these people in charge i think perception is more important to them.
Yeah, Mego doesn't do much for me personally. I thought the pairing of her with Lou and Fauria was awkward and flimsy from the few times I tried to tune in. Not sure pairing her with Jones is going to be any better and may even be worse. But I guess they have to TRY and do something.
 

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Interesting. I can't say I've heard Jones talk about anything non-HOT SPORTS TAKEZ related. What was the material that made him more listenable?
In Case You Missed It (Which was mainly Arcand running it), This Week in Social Media (TWISM which was also Arcand led) some of the other Game of Jones stuff that wasn't serious. Any segment where he's really dishing takes was awful and he doesn't even hide it. At times Arcand would keep him in line with a "you don't even really believe that" type comments.
 

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Yeah, Mego doesn't do much for me personally. I thought the pairing of her with Lou and Fauria was awkward and flimsy from the few times I tried to tune in. Not sure pairing her with Jones is going to be any better and may even be worse. But I guess they have to TRY and do something.
I wonder how long it takes for Jones to just dismiss her because she's a woman out loud.
 

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I wonder how long it takes for Jones to just dismiss her because she's a woman out loud.
I hope he does, it might make the show more interesting.

You don't get ratings with these shows doing all sports talk and no personality these days, conflict and drama sell. That's why the ratings peaked when Spaz entered the picture, he added a wtf just happened element to the show that they have not been able to recreate since. I know some hate spaz but there is no doubt he added to the shows success. Just the poor guy thought he was doing a solid bringing in the local strip club talent for the boys :D he didn't relaize they had wives that might of been listening in haha.
 

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I hope he does, it might make the show more interesting.

You don't get ratings with these shows doing all sports talk and no personality these days, conflict and drama sell. That's why the ratings peaked when Spaz entered the picture, he added a wtf just happened element to the show that they have not been able to recreate since. I know some hate spaz but there is no doubt he added to the shows success. Just the poor guy thought he was doing a solid bringing in the local strip club talent for the boys :D he didn't relaize they had wives that might of been listening in haha.
Felger and Mazz destroy WEEI in ratings and outwardly reject any non sports talk. “Do that on your own time” is literally one of Felgers go-to phrases.
Jones is copying Felgers playbook, he just sucks at it so his shows suck.
It’s like Matt Patricia trying to be an offensive coordinator
 

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I use to be a junkie for weei sports talk back in the early 2000s, but moved on to Twitter. Wish Lou well. A good guy that I met at a few baseball card shows.
I mean D&C and the Big Show was just so far ahead of anything this station has now it is crazy.

I listen to Felger and Mazz and like the hockey talk at times but that show is like watching paint dry imo for the most part. I dont get how they pull in high numbers because their signal doesn't even carry past Worcester.
 

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Are there two Adam Jones'? One is a heinous shitheel twitter poster who actively dislikes and roots against Boston teams. But it looks like he is still an employee for 98.5. Is there another Adam Jones working for EEI? Or is nothing official until the new year?
 

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I mean D&C and the Big Show was just so far ahead of anything this station has now it is crazy.

I listen to Felger and Mazz and like the hockey talk at times but that show is like watching paint dry imo for the most part. I dont get how they pull in high numbers because their signal doesn't even carry past Worcester.
I mean I guess you could say D&C were so far ahead of anything now in that as much as Greg Hill is a bad person who hosts a terrible show, D&C were truly shitty human beings that aired a show as bad as they were people.
 

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Boston Radio Watch confirmed on Twitter that Adam Jones is indeed headed to afternoon drive at 'EEI.

No word on who takes over nights at 98.5, though I'd guess someone like McCarthy is in the running.
 

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I mean I guess you could say D&C were so far ahead of anything now in that as much as Greg Hill is a bad person who hosts a terrible show, D&C were truly shitty human beings that aired a show as bad as they were people.
Greg Hill is terribly miscast in hosting a morning show on a sports radio station. But why do you say he's a bad person? (Obviously I'm ignorant on this subject.)
 

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Boston Radio Watch confirmed on Twitter that Adam Jones is indeed headed to afternoon drive at 'EEI.

No word on who takes over nights at 98.5, though I'd guess someone like McCarthy is in the running.
Great news. I never listen to EEI, and it removes him from the T&R guest host rotation. Win win.
 

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Boston Radio Watch confirmed on Twitter that Adam Jones is indeed headed to afternoon drive at 'EEI.

No word on who takes over nights at 98.5, though I'd guess someone like McCarthy is in the running.
I like McCarthy but he's really just a baseball guy, and I'd be surprised if they went with a strict baseball guy right now. I like Murray more than most, and I think a night time show fits better for him since he can talk non sports all day.

Literally as I type this I hear Murray screaming at Ryan Johnson at 7AM about Breaking Bad and I'm wondering why I'm listening to him screaming at 7AM....
 

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Boston Radio Watch confirmed on Twitter that Adam Jones is indeed headed to afternoon drive at 'EEI.

No word on who takes over nights at 98.5, though I'd guess someone like McCarthy is in the running.
I suppose a reason 98.5 won't go all the way to syndication in the evening is due to the Bruins and Celtics. They also want to compete with WEEI's live body now that Keefe is confirmed for their slot. I don't know if Jones was making all that much so it's clear that 98.5 is running a barebones operation now per their corporate overlords. I have to wonder if these evening slots may eventually become pre/post-game blasts by junior staff with syndication on non-gamedays.
 

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One distinction that might be notable is that Murray is a massive man child. I've heard people talk about Jones and that when he's not on the radio how he's actually a great human being. Murray however throws tantrums when he's inconvenienced in some slight way. Just last week he talked about having had two suspended driving licenses because he's always in a hurry and gave a shout out to a Melrose cop who watched him run a stop sign and pulled him over but didn't give him a ticket after recognizing him. Just an absolute spoiled brat.
Not to mention he's the "I hope you outlive your children!" guy.
Adam is a super-sweet, uber nice guy. It's a role
 

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The new afternoon show is dreadful imo, i hope ratings were not what they were after with these changes. Clearly this was all about budget cuts, all 3 shows that had moves are now worse then before imo.
 

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Where’s Adam Jones? Was there something in his Sports Hub contract that he has to sit out for a certain period of time (30 days for example) before he can appear on EEI?
 

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I'm also wondering who's filling his spot. It's been Joe Murray but they aren't playing his "The Joe Show" intro, so I don't think it's his slot
 

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I'm also wondering who's filling his spot. It's been Joe Murray but they aren't playing his "The Joe Show" intro, so I don't think it's his slot
As of a couple days ago, the official show lineup on the 98.5 app still lists 6 pm as Adam Jones, but now they took his name off the slots. Tonight, it's Tim McKone and Friday it's Joe Murray.
 

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The new afternoon show is dreadful imo, i hope ratings were not what they were after with these changes. Clearly this was all about budget cuts, all 3 shows that had moves are now worse then before imo.
I agree with this. The whole situation is baffling.

Caught 20 mins of the first Keefe show in the car and he sounded miserable. Like he could barely work himself up to it.
 

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I agree with this. The whole situation is baffling.

Caught 20 mins of the first Keefe show in the car and he sounded miserable. Like he could barely work himself up to it.
I haven’t caught Keefe yet but I’ve listened to the first couple Arcand and Meg O shows and it just isn’t working at all. I’ll give it time to see if it works, but I don’t see how adding Jones helps. Meg O talks so damn much. There’s no dialogue. She just goes for 3-4 min straight and Arcand goes “yup” or “ok”. Jones and Arcand can do 5 hours with nothing going on at night. I don’t see how all 3 get air time together.
 

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I haven’t caught Keefe yet but I’ve listened to the first couple Arcand and Meg O shows and it just isn’t working at all. I’ll give it time to see if it works, but I don’t see how adding Jones helps. Meg O talks so damn much. There’s no dialogue. She just goes for 3-4 min straight and Arcand goes “yup” or “ok”. Jones and Arcand can do 5 hours with nothing going on at night. I don’t see how all 3 get air time together.
Mego is fingernails down a chalkboard to me, it's one thing when she was the 3rd wheel and Lou and Christian would constantly have to talk over her because she wouldn't shut up, but now with her in the main seat yikes. Christian is not fitting in with Gresh, he started going on with wrestling thing today while i listened at lunch and Christian you could tell was just disconnected from it. Keefe i think just realizes that he was put into the dead end, go nowhere spot!
 

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Mego is fingernails down a chalkboard to me, it's one thing when she was the 3rd wheel and Lou and Christian would constantly have to talk over her because she wouldn't shut up, but now with her in the main seat yikes. Christian is not fitting in with Gresh, he started going on with wrestling thing today while i listened at lunch and Christian you could tell was just disconnected from it. Keefe i think just realizes that he was put into the dead end, go nowhere spot!
I'm semi-confident that the new management at WEEI will figure it out, since it was Mike Thomas that drove 98.5 but in the short term this seems painful and I'm giving it a real shot. I haven't listened to much of WEEI for a decade outside of some Keefe Middays. MegO seems like she's on a solo show, wants to talk 14 minutes straight and not get any dialogue. I just dont know where she fits in. I'd put her on Middays and let Jones and Arcand run afternoon drive. I love having a female voice in here, but she doesn't fit at the moment.
 

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Where’s Adam Jones? Was there something in his Sports Hub contract that he has to sit out for a certain period of time (30 days for example) before he can appear on EEI?
His contract ended at the end of 2022. Doubt there's any legal way to have a non-compete clause incorporated when not under contract.
 

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I'm semi-confident that the new management at WEEI will figure it out, since it was Mike Thomas that drove 98.5 but in the short term this seems painful and I'm giving it a real shot. I haven't listened to much of WEEI for a decade outside of some Keefe Middays. MegO seems like she's on a solo show, wants to talk 14 minutes straight and not get any dialogue. I just dont know where she fits in. I'd put her on Middays and let Jones and Arcand run afternoon drive. I love having a female voice in here, but she doesn't fit at the moment.
I liked her as the straight man with Lou and Christian. Lou was the grump, Christian was the goof, and MegO was the one who kept them in line and actually did the work of a radio professional — getting in and out of breaks, bringing in guests, handing off, etc.

I feel like she and Arcand are both that now, leaving her to feel like she has to be the "show" and Arcand is the straight man. In general, I like her, but I agree this isn't her best role. Maybe Jones brings the outlandishness and she can be a voice of reason and check on him.
 

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His contract ended at the end of 2022. Doubt there's any legal way to have a non-compete clause incorporated when not under contract.
Not being a dick, or saying it's the case, but isn't that exactly what a non compete is?