Should Workman and/or De La Rosa remain in the rotation?

[KillerBs]

The above, admittedly, is only of the most tangential relevance to the question at hand.
 
re Workman and Delarosa, ideally both stay in the rotation, or at least, on the 25 man, which, along with Webster and Ranaudo (and Owens, and Hill and Wright etc.) makes the imperative of moving pitchers evident. 

 

[joe dokes]

I think Workman, based on his performance last year and this, has demonstrated that he can hold down a rotation spot with at least league average performace.  de la Rosa still has to pitch a full season of innings.

 

[Rasputin]

The need RHB platoon mate for JBJ has been apparent, but I wonder with Victorino's return and Betts at AAA, whether that solution could be in house. If so a LH who can play RF, to spell Victorino and provide some insurance in the event of his re-injury, could work too.
 
Maybe Nava or Holt is this guy, but I am still dubious re their defense as a semi-starter in RF, tho it does look like Holt may have the arm for the position.
 
For example:
 
vs. RHPer: LF Betts, with some Holt mixed in?
                   CF Bradley, with Victorino rarely perhaps?
                   RF Victorino and lefty hitting new guy
 
vs LHP:      LF Gomes
                   CF Betts
                   RF Victorino
 
This assumes Holt can hold the fort as the UI, allowing for 5 OFers and also assumes the departure of Nava, Herrera and Drew.
 
I do think Nava deserves at least to the trade deadline to rehabilitate himself, and justify a claim on his 2013 job. Nava/Betts/Bradley, left to right vs. RHPers, would be an option if Nava sticks around and returns to form.
 
You would think with 18 to 20 marketable ptichers, we should be able to land someone who can be at least league average vs RHPers to play RF, if not a bit of Cf too.

 
It's really not. You say it's apparent like it's a truism, but then you posit that Bradley should be hitting against righties and sitting against lefties.
 
He's hitting better against lefties to the tune of 109 points of OPS
 
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=bradlja02&year=2014&t=b

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

Looks like Workman is staying in the rotation for the time being, having been announced as the starter for Friday's game.  Doubront is going to be available in the pen, but is expected to make a start against Chicago next week.
 
https://twitter.com/ScottLauber/status/481591693783740416

 

[BosRedSox5]

I don't think Lauber is correct in stating that this is a 6-man rotation for the time being. It sounds like Doubront will head to the pen on a semi-permanent basis after making one more start. 

 

[Super Nomario]

I don't think Lauber is correct in stating that this is a 6-man rotation for the time being. It sounds like Doubront will head to the pen on a semi-permanent basis after making one more start. 

That sounds like they're showcasing him for trade ... why else give him just one random start?

 

[foulkehampshire]

That sounds like they're showcasing him for trade ... why else give him just one random start?

 
You have to figure Owens and Johnson have more interesting futures as LHP SP options going forward- with or without Lester.
 
I'd rather keep the rotation full of RHP groundball types like De La Rosa and Workman, for what its worth

 

[mabrowndog]

More from Farrell on the Workman/Doubront situation:
 

 
Red Sox manager John Farrell said Tuesday that Workman has earned at least one more start, likely on Friday against the New York Yankees, and Farrell would like to keep Workman in the rotation going forward. The right-hander has posted a 3.21 ERA over five starts this season.
 
"He hasn't done anything to warrant not getting the ball in the rotation," Farrell said. "We’re just trying to be consistent and yet look at guys that have earned the ability to stay in the rotation by their performance. So we’re in a period of time here where we’re trying to work through a number of things.”
 
Felix Doubront, who returned from the 15-day disabled list against the Oakland A's last weekend and lasted just 4 2/3 innings while allowing three runs, will be moved to the bullpen effective immediately. Doubront will likely get another start next week at home against the Chicago Cubs, but his role past early July remains uncertain.
 
"We’ve looked at that, can a starter benefit from a skipped turn to let him regroup?" Farrell said. "All these things are being factored in at this point. Again, there’s a lot that can happen between now and then. Ideally we get back to the normal compliment of 13 position players and 12 pitchers, but we’ve got some things we’re working through.”

 
And on Buchholz/RLDR:
 

 
Clay Buchholz is scheduled to start Wednesday, which would leave Rubby De La Rosa in an odd-man-out situation, though Farrell said he wants to keep De La Rosa lined up as an option, too.
 
"Preference would be to keep him in the rotation," Farrell said. "As strong as he’s been, as efficient as he’s been, he’s been outstanding. He’s done everything within his abilities to affect our planning going forward.”

 

[Sprowl]

That sounds like a short-term, non-paradigmatic, unprincipled, temporary, not-for-attribution 6 man rotation.
 
 
 
At the risk of being nit-piketty, shouldn't the thread title acknowledge the possibility of both/and? Because Peavy and Doubront are pitching like over-the-hill and never-gonna-make-it-up-the-hill.

 

[StuckOnYouk]

I look forward to watching Rubby pitch as much as any of our starters. If he's bumped from the rotation I hope it's only for 1-2 weeks max. I really wanted to see him get thrown into the NY series just to see how he'd do.

 

[HriniakPosterChild]

That sounds like a short-term, non-paradigmatic, unprincipled, temporary, not-for-attribution 6 man rotation.
 
 
 
At the risk of being nit-piketty, shouldn't the thread title acknowledge the possibility of both/and? Because Peavy and Doubront are pitching like over-the-hill and never-gonna-make-it-up-the-hill.

I wonder who could change that title...

 

[Red(s)HawksFan]

That sounds like they're showcasing him for trade ... why else give him just one random start?

 
I think what they're not talking about is Lackey.  Clearly something was bothering him in that last inning Monday night.  Perhaps Doubront to the pen for the weekend is code for "we want him ready to go should Lackey not be physically okay on Sunday".

 

[DaubachmanTurnerOD]

Slightly off-topic question that I keep having as I read through this thread (and others):
 
Tom Verducci came up with his theory about innings jumps of more than 30% (or 30 innings or something) tend to lead to pitcher injuries.
 
That theory was, I thought, pretty soundly debunked by the sabr community.
 
Yet, we spend a lot of time talking about innings jumps for guys like RDLR and how he will be greatly limited this year by what he threw last year.
 
Intuitively, that makes sense to me, but what are people basing the assumed innings-limit on? Is it just what the Red Sox and other teams have tended to practice? Or is there something more specific than that?

 

[mabrowndog]

That sounds like a short-term, non-paradigmatic, unprincipled, temporary, not-for-attribution 6 man rotation.
 
At the risk of being nit-piketty, shouldn't the thread title acknowledge the possibility of both/and? Because Peavy and Doubront are pitching like over-the-hill and never-gonna-make-it-up-the-hill.

 
I actually had it framed that way when I was composing the initial post, but aborted after thinking to myself, "there's no effing way this team's going to do something THAT smart."
 
Anyway, it is done.

 

[soxhop411]

Michael Silverman ‏@MikeSilvermanBB  10m
Rotation next series will have Peavy and Workman in it, no Rubby. De la Rosa's next role TBD. #RedSox
 
Gordon Edes ‏@GordonEdes  9m
Doubront, initially pencilled in to start against Cubs, now 3d lefty in pen after Capuano DFA. Farrell: If he doesn't like it, pitch better
 
Sean McAdam ‏@Sean_McAdam  9m
Doubront's move to the bullpen, thought to be temporary when first announced, now seems less so. No plans for start in near future.

 

[Plympton91]

Wow, Farrell unusually blunt there.

 

[Rasputin]

Wow, Farrell unusually blunt there.

I'm sure that was a paraphrase.