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Celtic win the Double but face valid criticisms about their caliber/style of play, as well as questions about talent development and acquisition. Things are murky looking forward, but since it's the SPL, they'll still finish top of the league or in second and compete for the two domestic cups. Europe is another matter, however.

And speaking of Europe, the NT is gearing up for Euro 2024 after a fantastic qualifying campaign! First match is against the hosting Germans on Friday 6/14, which will be daunting to say the least, but the hope is they'll finish second in the group over Switzerland and Hungary.

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Celtic opening the wallet to get Idah over the line (subject to medical). God news cos Kyogo's dodgy shoulder is an issue moving forwards. He had to come off in the 75th minute at Easter Road. Rodger's is saying it's not too bad and should be fine in a couple of days but i reckon Idah will get plenty game time this season one way or another.

Celtic have agreed a deal worth up to £9.5 million for Norwich City striker Adam Idah.
It is understood the initial fee will be £8.5m, with £1m worth of add ons, with Idah keen on a return to Celtic and ready to agree terms on a long-term contract.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11787/13196140/adam-idah-transfer-news-celtic-agree-gbp9-5m-deal-to-sign-norwich-striker
 

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Massive home match for the Gers tonight against Dynao Kyiv at eh...Hampden Park. (Work still being done on parts of Ibrox so looking like some time in September before a return to Govan.) Rangers did well to draw 1-1 in the away leg.

The winners of the tie will meet either Twente or Salzburg, with the Austrians taking a 2-1 lead for the return in the Netherlands. The losers will drop into the Europa League.

Rangers started their temporary stint at Hampden with a 2-1 victory against Motherwell on Saturday.
Clement revealed players were a "little bit nervous" at the national stadium "because they really wanted to win", while supporters were also adjusting to new surroundings.
"For the fans it's the same, they need to get this feeling again and you cannot forget that for a lot of people it's a history of 30, 40, 50 years, watching football at Ibrox, all these memories and at the same seat," he said.
"So then suddenly to be in another seat supporting the team, it's a little bit strange. But the more we are at Hampden, the more it will be familiar for them. So I hope we can make this adaptation as fast as possible."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/c3vxly6qyl4t

Since there's little chance any of the non Old Firm teams will contribute to the European coefficient, i would like Rangers to get through to the Champions League. But Rangers don't have Celtic's money...but then Rangers sem to be good at digging money out from somewhere and Celtic (Idah deal excepted) hate to dip into the £100M or so it's reported they have in the bank.
 

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Also, it has to be said Scotland were the worst team at the Euros. Clarke had his lads playing a curious brand of Anti Football that progressive coaches around the world turned their collective backs on decades ago.

There was a wee clip of Clarke and his assistant Carver at the Celtic game on Sunday. I don't think he's going to step down and i don't think the SFA will ask him to, cos they're thick as mince.

Callum McGregor rercerntly announced his retirement from inernational football, which i'm not mad at. When he gets back from Injury I'd like to see Lewis Ferguson get more minutes for the national side. Scotland need to sort out some better attacking options, but where and how they go about that i have no idea outside of giving Shankland more minutes, which doesn't enthuse me all that much moving forwards.
 

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Rangers failed to beat Dynamov Kyiv, losing 0-2. The first half was more or less even stevens, but Jefte was booked for his first tackle which was a fair yellow but sometimes the player will get a word from the ref to calm it down a bit, but not in this case. That ought to have sent some kind of alarm bell to manager Clement and it would have been prudent to sub the 20 year old Jefte at half time. But Clement didn't do that and five minutes into the second half Jefte makes leap to head the ball and there is contact with the Kyiv player but it's never a yellow in my opinion, but we've seen them given and so the player has to go and that was basically the match right there.

There was only 39,000 or so at the match, played at Hampden Park.

"I've seen the images back, it's clearly not a foul," Clement told BBC Scotland. "He jumps higher and that's everything that happens.
"He is not moving his arm towards the man or whatever. It is a very decisive moment and, in the end, it has killed the dream of the dressing room and killed the dream of more than 50,000 fans and you expect a better level of decision-making."

Goalkeeping great McGregor said the red card was "a big blow" as it came so early in the second half.
"It's an absolutely horrific decision," McGregor said. "It's that bad, I don't think the referee should work in the Champions League again this season.
"Anyone with two working eyes can see that's not a second yellow card."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cm2ndn4xmnmo

Rangers go into the Europa League. Goes without saying Champions League money would have been most welcome at Rangers, but they have to dust themselves down and regroup.
 

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Rangers failed to beat Dynamov Kyiv, losing 0-2. The first half was more or less even stevens, but Jefte was booked for his first tackle which was a fair yellow but sometimes the player will get a word from the ref to calm it down a bit, but not in this case. That ought to have sent some kind of alarm bell to manager Clement and it would have been prudent to sub the 20 year old Jefte at half time. But Clement didn't do that and five minutes into the second half Jefte makes leap to head the ball and there is contact with the Kyiv player but it's never a yellow in my opinion, but we've seen them given and so the player has to go and that was basically the match right there.

There was only 39,000 or so at the match, played at Hampden Park.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cm2ndn4xmnmo

Rangers go into the Europa League. Goes without saying Champions League money would have been most welcome at Rangers, but they have to dust themselves down and regroup.
One of the worst yellow cards I have seen. He out jumped the player fair and square. Never a foul let alone a yellow. But the way the game is going in general, it’s turning into a non contact sport. Not saying they would have won the game, fairly even up to that point, but it was the turning point. Rangers were robbed of a fair shot at winning. The ref also has a bit of “ history” apparently.
 

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One of the worst yellow cards I have seen. He out jumped the player fair and square. Never a foul let alone a yellow. But the way the game is going in general, it’s turning into a non contact sport. Not saying they would have won the game, fairly even up to that point, but it was the turning point. Rangers were robbed of a fair shot at winning. The ref also has a bit of “ history” apparently.
With you mate. I read that the ref likes to rely on VAR to bail him out. I didn't think it was a foul either but when we look at it through the lens of where the game is now regarding contact...this is the present and the future. I still say there was merit in subbing Jefte at half time. He'd put himself about a wee bit in the first half and the ref loked like he wanted blood of some sort card wise.
 

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With you mate. I read that the ref likes to rely on VAR to bail him out. I didn't think it was a foul either but when we look at it through the lens of where the game is now regarding contact...this is the present and the future. I still say there was merit in subbing Jefte at half time. He'd put himself about a wee bit in the first half and the ref loked like he wanted blood of some sort card wise.
The kid will hopefully learn. Understood about the manager should have subbed him, to me it was obvious, a walking red card but that wasn’t even a foul. Selfishly, I hope he plays against Celtic in Sept, he’ll be eaten alive in that atmosphere. I think a few in the blue shirts have no idea what’s coming. Hoping that Celtic can get a new center half to compliment CCV and a left back that can out jump Ronny Corbett.
 

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Celtic opened the purse and pending a medical Arne Engels will soon be a Celt.

Arne Engels: Celtic agree record £11m fee for Augsburg midfielder
Celtic will pay a club-record fee for the Augsburg midfielder; the 20-year-old will be Brendan Rodgers' fourth new signing this summer; four-year contract agreed with the player as he becomes Matt O'Riley's replacement
By all accounts, that being everything I've read about this particular pursuit, Rodgers really wanted Engels as a replacement for the recently sold and (subsequently injured - terrible challenge by the way) Matt O'Riley. Rodgers has been very jocular in recent pressers, but when pushed on potential signings has made it clear about the need to strengthen...which is standard for a Celtic or any manager. But he also talked about how, yes you can sign a player for 3-5 million and sell for, say 10 million, but you can also buy for 10 and maybe sell for 30-40.

I've watched some videos of Engels and it's nowhere near enough to form an opinion but he seems to be very highly rated and Rodgers really wanted him. Engels has just been named in the Belgian squad for the forthcoming internationals.
 

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It was a tall order but Kilmarnock's european adventure is over. It's a shame really. I watched the first leg match and they were a goal down goinginto the 90th minute but conceded in the 96th, which was sad to see cos they just couldn't keep the ball and kill the game off and a two goal margin was always going to be tough against Copenhagen. They drew 1-1 last night to go out 1-3 on aggregate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cwyjwxrzrp0t

Derek McInnes said he is "immensely proud" of his Kilmarnock players, despite them falling short of upsetting Copenhagen as the Danes snatched a draw at Rugby Park to end the Ayrshire side's European journey.
A Marley Watkins first-half strike put buoyant Kilmarnock just one goal behind on aggregate, but they were unable to capitalise on any dominance and soon saw their dreams dashed in the second half by a Lewis Mayo own goal.

I'm disappointed. I want to believe KIlmarnock manager Derek McInnes has more about him that the average well regarded Scottish club manager. I want him to over achieve. He turned down the Rangers gig when he was at Aberdeen. I watched his Aberdeen side a good few times. I'd say they were solid and workmanlike. Much like his Kilmarnock team. But what about flair, nice passing football, players wtih skill who can take the ball in tight situations. I know these are not the desired qualities top of the list for teams who primarly seek to stay in the SPL...but it'd be nice to more flair in the SPL and McInnes ought to be one of the managers who get a bit more of that in his team.
 

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Celtic opened the purse and pending a medical Arne Engels will soon be a Celt.



By all accounts, that being everything I've read about this particular pursuit, Rodgers really wanted Engels as a replacement for the recently sold and (subsequently injured - terrible challenge by the way) Matt O'Riley. Rodgers has been very jocular in recent pressers, but when pushed on potential signings has made it clear about the need to strengthen...which is standard for a Celtic or any manager. But he also talked about how, yes you can sign a player for 3-5 million and sell for, say 10 million, but you can also buy for 10 and maybe sell for 30-40.

I've watched some videos of Engels and it's nowhere near enough to form an opinion but he seems to be very highly rated and Rodgers really wanted him. Engels has just been named in the Belgian squad for the forthcoming internationals.
2.5 years in Scotland against “ hammer throwers” . O ‘ Riley was never injured. His debut lasted all of 7 minutes for Brighton, out until 2025. That was never a tackle, the guy went out to make a “ mark” . You and I are on same page about the game is getting too soft, but no place for that.

I’m not sure what people are seeing in Engels, but I will defer to more informed people. Derek Rae seems to have a high regard and I’ll take that for now. I’m the Greta Thunberg of criticism as far as Celtics recent transfer windows. A complete doom goblin. They just signed two players for the left side of defense which was a glaring weakness. We’ll see.
 
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It was a tall order but Kilmarnock's european adventure is over. It's a shame really. I watched the first leg match and they were a goal down goinginto the 90th minute but conceded in the 96th, which was sad to see cos they just couldn't keep the ball and kill the game off and a two goal margin was always going to be tough against Copenhagen. They drew 1-1 last night to go out 1-3 on aggregate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cwyjwxrzrp0t




I'm disappointed. I want to believe KIlmarnock manager Derek McInnes has more about him that the average well regarded Scottish club manager. I want him to over achieve. He turned down the Rangers gig when he was at Aberdeen. I watched his Aberdeen side a good few times. I'd say they were solid and workmanlike. Much like his Kilmarnock team. But what about flair, nice passing football, players wtih skill who can take the ball in tight situations. I know these are not the desired qualities top of the list for teams who primarly seek to stay in the SPL...but it'd be nice to more flair in the SPL and McInnes ought to be one of the managers who get a bit more of that in his team.
I perhaps naively don’t understand why the Edinburgh teams don’t have a better standard of manager. Both teams could get an average of 17k punters flowing through the gates if they were half decent. But it seems they are in an endless cycle of hiring shit managers. Aberdeen, Dundee , and even Dundee Utd, seem to be on right track.
 
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First Celtic- Rangers game of the season in about 30 mins. On CBS sports on this side of pond. Not surprisingly, all 4 new signings on the bench for Celtic. Don’t really know that much about Rangers players but it looks like they are playing 3 holding midfielders to stop Celtic controlling the midfield. This, in theory, should leave acres of room for the Celtic wingers. My biggest issue with the Celtic transfer window was not signing another winger … meaning a half decent difference maker even if it was just a loan. They look a bit light in that department. Having said that, Celtic bench looks a lot deeper now. Onward…
 

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After a good initial 5 minutes, Rangers faded. Celtic cruising 2:0 at the half. Bernardo running the show. He’s been immense. He’s the one player that can really step up this season. Could be an absolute steal at £3.5M .
 

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I would have expected 3 points from the first 3 fixtures. Dortmund was a horror show in terms of the score, but Celtic were not expected to get anything from that match.
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A point away, against a Serie A team is never bad.

Five games to go. Celtic have kinda played their way into the tournament by making some practical adjustments. Lessons were learned from the Dortmund game.

Rodgers talked about the step up in quality from the SPL to the CL, players having less time to play the ball and giving it away cheaply at times.

But Celtic need more and more games at this level. There's a lot of anti-football in the SPL and in the national team. Every week Celtic play a team that plays anti-football. It's hard to evolve as a team playing in the SPL.
 

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My Local team Rangers FC have announced a pre tax loss of £17.2M. Needless to say the Cel5tic fans and fans of other teams are gloating.

https://dailybusinessgroup.co.uk/2024/10/rangers-plunge-to-17-3m-loss-in-challenging-year/

Rangers plunged to a £17.2m annual loss despite record revenues in what the club described as a “challenging period”.
The figures showed the post-tax loss for the year to the end of June deepened from £4.14m in the previous year while revenue rose to £88.3m from £83.7m. There was a £17.3m pre-tax loss, reduced to £17.17m after a tax gain of £135,000
BBC of the Union shedding a positive light on things.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cx2lyz51nlxo

Rangers are "free of any litigation claims for first time in over a decade" as they posted a £17.2m net loss - up from £4.1m the previous year - despite what the Scottish Premiership club say are record revenue and income figures for the year to June.
 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cly2vpqjqknt

Scottish Women beat Hungary and are through to a Euro playoff against Finland. Finland have had the better of Scotland in recent encounters, but Scotland seem to be finding form. Good to have Real Madrid player Caroline Weir back after a long injury.

Scotland cruised into a Euro 2025 final play-off against Finland with a convincing, four-goal win over Hungary.
An own goal from goalkeeper Lauren Brzykcy and a deflected Erin Cuthbert drive before half-time set the Scots on their way to a two-leg showdown on 29 November and 3 December.
Hungary's challenge was all but ended at Easter Road when Caroline Weir stroked in the third shortly after the break before Martha Thomas added to her first-leg winner with an equally cool finish.
Now the Scots must overcome a Finland side they have only beaten once in four meetings if they are to reach next summer's finals in Switzerland.
 
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I've been reading here and there that Tony Bloom was prepared to share some of his computer analytics with Heart of Midlothian. I was reading this short report of Hearts Europa League win.

https://plzsoccer.com/football-news/critchleys-rejuvenated-hearts-make-it-two-wins-from-two-in-europe/

What a difference a manager makes.
Hearts looked like a team transformed under Neil Critchley as they swatted aside Omonoia 2-0 under the lights at Tynecastle.
If those in maroon had grown apathetic towards the team at the tail end of Steven Naismith’s tenure, the new manager bounce is truly alive and well as the 17 thousand strong crowd had the old ground shaking to its foundations.
But right at the bottom of the report is this...

Tony Bloom’s analytics system that has put Critchley in place has won over some of the early doubters and all the data points towards a side on a upwards curve ahead of this weekend’s crucial Edinburgh derby.
I think this could be great for Scottish football and I'd love to know what any Jambos think, if indeed we have any jambos on the site.
 

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I suppose I'm a Jambo. I'm all for more analytics in the sport, there's always a good use for more information. And frankly Hearts is exactly the type of club that should be looking for an edge in order to try to break into the logjam at the top of the league.
 

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I've been reading here and there that Tony Bloom was prepared to share some of his computer analytics with Heart of Midlothian. I was reading this short report of Hearts Europa League win.

https://plzsoccer.com/football-news/critchleys-rejuvenated-hearts-make-it-two-wins-from-two-in-europe/



But right at the bottom of the report is this...



I think this could be great for Scottish football and I'd love to know what any Jambos think, if indeed we have any jambos on the site.
Good to see Neil Critchley’s career on the upswing … once upon a time Klopp’s under 17s coach and a good spell at Blackpool before a couple of premature sackings (at QPR and Blackpool again)
 

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Big night of fixtures in the SPL. Celtic beat Dundee 2-0 and Aberdeen beat Rangers 2-1. The table makes sorry reading for Rangers fans. Yes they are the King's chosen ones. Yes, they are the pride of Govan and Ibrox and Larkhall. But, is that enough?
Jeezo Edinburgh with all those people and all that money, propping up the table, Hibs and Hearts, sort it out.

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Aberdeen looked great and there was nothing flukey about that score. It was nice to see a full and bouncing Pittodrie as well.

Aberdeen have to think they have a real chance at finishing second (they aren't finishing above Celtic).

At what point to the Huns pull the plug on Clement? Who wants the job and do they have the money to pay for a new coach?
 

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Aberdeen looked great and there was nothing flukey about that score. It was nice to see a full and bouncing Pittodrie as well.

Aberdeen have to think they have a real chance at finishing second (they aren't finishing above Celtic).

At what point to the Huns pull the plug on Clement? Who wants the job and do they have the money to pay for a new coach?
The career prospects of Rangers managers who are looking nervously over their shoulder at Motherwell are typically not good.
 

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The Rangers manager is a strange duck. In fact the whole Rangers thing is strange. Earlier this season he went public and basically said the board lied to him about transfer budgets. That things were far worse than he was led to believe. Clearly he was not happy. Then they promptly gave him a contract extension which shut his criticism up. He also has some weird post match quotes, like how it was a great moral victory to get a last minute equalizer against Celtic at Ibrox. After every calamitous result he tells his fans, relax, it’s a new young squad that will take time to gel. He’s been there a year, they’re not that young a squad. Aberdeen were so shit last year they hired Neil Warnock for 32 days before firing him. They’ve hired a new manager and had significant squad turnover and are 9 points clear. Rangers have no chairman, can anyone fire him even if they wanted to? As Fletch said, they lost £17 M last year. The bright spot in their report was the claim it’s the first time they have been free of litigation in a decade. They’ve been in more lawsuits than the Post Office. They settled the last one but have to pay in installments in the coming years. But they’re litigation free !

Seriously, if a bunch of incognito Celtic fans infiltrated the Rangers board with a plan to ruin Rangers, they couldn’t touch what these clowns have done to themselves.

As far as Celtic; I’d rather eat shit off a shoe than ever see Luis Palma start for Celtic again. He kills any momentum in attack. Punt in January please.
 

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Great result for Celtic. A really mature team performance for the most part. Seven points from the first four games is not too shabby.
 

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A ton of brilliant performances but a special one for the Captain who seems to get a ton of grief with bad results in Europe. Callum was immense tonight.

Wonderful team performance against an excellent side. Fortress Parkhead coming back?
 

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After a scrappy win against Croatia, Scotland are in Poland looking to get a win to avoid relegation to group 2. If results go their way there's a chance they could get second place. At the moment they are a goal up at half time. Poland have had loads of chances, but Scotland have also hit the post twice themselves.

Scotland's goal was a nice move where Doak feeds it to McGinn who slots it home. At times Poland have played through Scotland like Scotland was melted butter. Scotland not winning as many 50/50 as you need to at this level. At times The Polish press has made it difficult for Scotland to play out from the back. But other times Scotland have had their time on the ball and carved out decent chances.

A bit more composure on the ball, a bit more confidnece in their ability to pass the ball and hold on to the ball and Scotland could well get the three points, but a long way to go and you kinda have to expect Poland to score at some point. Poland have had 13 shots 4 on target Scotland 7 shots and 4 on target. Landon Dykes up front hasn't really figured in the game...maybe we're not playing to his strengths, but then he pays for 3rd tier Birmingham so he's no world beater...but he is tall and he does have impressive tatoos if you like that sort of thing.

Edit: There's a live stream of the match on youtube. I duno if it's blocked outside of the UK but i you type Poland Scotland it comes up. Pretty low key coverage ie no half time punditry but it's there all the same.
 

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If Scotland can score one more goal or Portugal can score one more goal against Croatia and that's how it ended Scotland take second place in the group and get a pot one seeding for the World Cup Qualifiers.

I'm saying nowt.

They're doubling up on Doak now who's our creative outlet (alongside McGinn), but he's not getting the support to get a pass off. Some of these Scotland players need to wake up a bit...up the game a notch. I'd like more control in the midfield.
 

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Poland score a belter, i knew they'd score. I reckon they go on to win the match now. I'll keep an eye on the score but I've got better things to do than watch Scotland cough up a loss.

Too many patterns of play where Scotland give the ball away by design. Back passes, keeper kicks high and long, they win the first or second balls. Clarke ball's no fur me.
 

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Robbo gets the late goal, to take the win in injury time. I don't mind being wrong. Looks like 3rd place and a play off for Scotland.
 

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Robbo gets the late goal, to take the win in injury time. I don't mind being wrong. Looks like 3rd place and a play off for Scotland.
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I have no clue about all this nations league stuff. So this result means they have a playoff to remain in top groups of nations league some time in March. It means that for World Cup qualifiers that may get group 2 seeding? There’s a bunch of games tomorrow, do they impact Scotland’s seedings? My brain hurts with all this nations league and how it affects future seeding.
 

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if Georgia beat the Czech Republic, or Estonia beat Slovakia, Scotland get a pot 2 draw, otherwise they are pot 3 for the World Cup qualifiers. Both Georgia and Estonia are the away team in their respective matches.

A decent end to the campaign but possibly too little too late - to be second seeds, which is pish really.
 

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if Georgia beat the Czech Republic, or Estonia beat Slovakia, Scotland get a pot 2 draw, otherwise they are pot 3 for the World Cup qualifiers. Both Georgia and Estonia are the away team in their respective matches.

A decent end to the campaign but possibly too little too late - to be second seeds, which is pish really.
Poland game at home really cost them. A game they should never have lost. Sucker punched to death.
 

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Greg Taylor brain fart pass leads to a Rangers goal. Soon as the Gers took the lead their fans found themselves up to their knees in Fenian blood. Crazy how things happen. It's a wet day in Glasgow so i hope they're okay.
 

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Meh, under hit the pass or didn’t look up, either way I’m tired of watching Taylor. He’s a liability. Punt soon please. Rangers using Brugge playbook which is gradually becoming blueprint to neutralize Celtic..
 

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Jul 15, 2005
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Meh, under hit the pass or didn’t look up, either way I’m tired of watching Taylor. He’s a liability. Punt soon please. Rangers using Brugge playbook which is gradually becoming blueprint to neutralize Celtic..
Aye, Celtic need a plan B. I expect to see some changes sooner than later in the second half. Fair play to Rangers, they've stuck to their game plan and took their chance when it came. Shocking day to be playing football though.