Rosenthal: Sale extension 5 years, $145 million

BaseballJones

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Sale's last 11 starts: 2.24 era, 0.83 whip, 14.4 k/9, and the team is 5-6 in those 11 starts.
 

Plympton91

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I’d have more sympathy for Sale’s lack of run support if he didn’t all but force the team to put one of the worst hitters in major league history with more than 1000 PA in the lineup so often when he pitches.
 

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He referred to himself as a “liability” after tonight's dud.

Wonder if it’s become more a head issue than shoulder issue.
 

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According to the radio broadcast he was 95ish in the 1st inning then down to 91 by the 4th. Smells of injury to me.
 

Al Zarilla

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According to the radio broadcast he was 95ish in the 1st inning then down to 91 by the 4th. Smells of injury to me.
In tough moments he actually hit 97-98, but shortly thereafter his velocity drastically faded.
These seem a bit exaggerated. According to Brooks Baseball, when he fell off velocity wise, it was his last inning, >80 pitches. Second scatterplot, that's too many pitches in the zone, isn't it? He's got the swing and miss stuff, need to make them chase more.



 

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Still not catching anywhere near the same amount of shit from fans that Price caught...... I see a lot of "concern" but no outright anger and vile that was sent Price's way up until he became a World Series Hero for the Sox. I guess Sale gets an extra long leash due to.... I don't know..... complexion maybe?
Whatever it is... this team needs him to live up to his contract and he's not anywhere near doing that- and his past success in the playoffs and late in the season doesn't lead me to think he's going to get there.
 

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Still not catching anywhere near the same amount of shit from fans that Price caught...... I see a lot of "concern" but no outright anger and vile that was sent Price's way up until he became a World Series Hero for the Sox. I guess Sale gets an extra long leash due to.... I don't know..... complexion maybe?
Whatever it is... this team needs him to live up to his contract and he's not anywhere near doing that- and his past success in the playoffs and late in the season doesn't lead me to think he's going to get there.
This is a sometimes a factor, but here I think it has more to do with the fact that Price signed the most lucrative contract ever for a pitcher, and that comes with lofty expectations that he didn't meet. He was durable but underwhelming in his first year in Boston, and he didn't play well with the media.

Sale earned a bit of breathing room by dominating during his first regular season in Boston. But even he wasn't immune from criticism after a terrible ALDS performance: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/red-sox-astros-alds-uh-oh-here-come-the-premature-chris-sale-is-a-choker-takes/.

This probably doesn't affect their standing with average fans, but Sale's ERA+ during this disappointing season is identical to Price's in his first year in Boston. And Sale has a better FIP this year than Price did in any of his first three seasons.
 

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Still not catching anywhere near the same amount of shit from fans that Price caught...... I see a lot of "concern" but no outright anger and vile that was sent Price's way up until he became a World Series Hero for the Sox. I guess Sale gets an extra long leash due to.... I don't know..... complexion maybe?
Whatever it is... this team needs him to live up to his contract and he's not anywhere near doing that- and his past success in the playoffs and late in the season doesn't lead me to think he's going to get there.
You know Sale is also (already) a WS hero, right? They (and he) won it like less than a year ago. That may have a lot to do with the crickets.

Or, we can ask guys like Jack Clark if complexion had a lot to do with his treatment by the fans.
 

Philip Jeff Frye

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You know Sale is also (already) a WS hero, right? They (and he) won it like less than a year ago. That may have a lot to do with the crickets.

Or, we can ask guys like Jack Clark if complexion had a lot to do with his treatment by the fans.
Or more recently JD Drew. Or John Lackey.

Can a guy have more than a few crappy months before we conclude he sucks/doesn't care/doesn't deserve to be in Boston? And it's not like Sale has denied that he's been terrible. He's been very up front about how disappointed he is with his performance.

Add in the likelihood that he's dealing with some sort of physical problem - that makes a poster here voicing his resentment that the fans aren't loudly booing him even more disgraceful.
 

Plympton91

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Still not catching anywhere near the same amount of shit from fans that Price caught...... I see a lot of "concern" but no outright anger and vile that was sent Price's way up until he became a World Series Hero for the Sox. I guess Sale gets an extra long leash due to.... I don't know..... complexion maybe?
Whatever it is... this team needs him to live up to his contract and he's not anywhere near doing that- and his past success in the playoffs and late in the season doesn't lead me to think he's going to get there.
Oh Bullshit. Price reacted to his subpar (for him) first season by telling us he was pitching fine and just getting unlucky and then by picking fights with the announcers, reporters, and fans. Sale is reacting to his subpar season by answering every question with some version of either “I suck right now” or “I’m letting this team down, I need to be better.” Candor and laying the blame where it belongs — on him, not on fate, the fans, or the press — is what is buying him rope.
 

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Oh Bullshit. Price reacted to his subpar (for him) first season by telling us he was pitching fine and just getting unlucky and then by picking fights with the announcers, reporters, and fans. Sale is reacting to his subpar season by answering every question with some version of either “I suck right now” or “I’m letting this team down, I need to be better.” Candor and laying the blame where it belongs — on him, not on fate, the fans, or the press — is what is buying him rope.

This.
 

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Sequencing makes a difference. Be the best starting pitcher in your league by WAR, ERA, FIP, and XFIP and win a world championship, on a bargain contract, then throw up some stinkers and you'll be given some rope.