Speier days deal with Phillies for Hembree and Workman could be close to done:
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Ah yes, I completely forgot about that. I still don’t think their is enough talent available to pull the trigger, and he is young enough and on a good deal to bootI think the issue with X is he has no-trade protections kick in before the offseason. Not that I think they should trade him now but that's why people have been theorizing about a pre-deadline trade.
Because they moved two of the better pieces out of the pen, for two pieces that will have to work themselves into roles. It's the type of deal made when overhauling a roster, not with an eye to trying to improve playoff possibilities in a bastardized season.How does the trade tell you that?
Thank you.Because they moved two of the better pieces out of the pen, for two pieces that will have to work themselves into roles. It's the type of deal made when overhauling a roster, not with an eye to trying to improve playoff possibilities in a bastardized season.
To me, it says there will probably be more movement. Maybe nothing that we'd consider "major," but more of bringing aboard pieces that are developmental for players who, as has been pointed out, are more costly at this stage of their careers.
Plus, the pragmatist side of e thinks they're not close to serious potential ... so I see this as a sign that they're willing to deal instead of hold out hope
Think we could get Patino for him??Maybe the Pads would want Barnes. They have already lost Yates and today Pomeranz.
We’re 9-18. The rotation is horrendous. Did any of us expect or even want the team to hold out hope? Get what value they can, without dealing actual building blocks.Because they moved two of the better pieces out of the pen, for two pieces that will have to work themselves into roles. It's the type of deal made when overhauling a roster, not with an eye to trying to improve playoff possibilities in a bastardized season.
To me, it says there will probably be more movement. Maybe nothing that we'd consider "major," but more of bringing aboard pieces that are developmental for players who, as has been pointed out, are more costly at this stage of their careers.
Plus, the pragmatist side of e thinks they're not close to serious potential ... so I see this as a sign that they're willing to deal instead of holding out hope
I was asked a questionWe’re 9-18. The rotation is horrendous. Did any of us expect or even want the team to hold out hope? Get what value they can, without dealing actual building blocks.
My totally uneducated guess would be the kid they got from LA in the Betts deal.But who would catch next year? No matter what they're still going to have to play the games, and I don't see any really good near term choices available to replace Vazquez. I guess the next two weeks will tell how far away management thinks they are from being a legitimate contender.
I was thinking the same thing. He's 24 and already has a half season in AA. They can punt the position next year by bringing Plawecki back and easing Wong in.My totally uneducated guess would be the kid they got from LA in the Betts deal.
He’s not walking through that doorThink we could get Patino for him??
No, I realize that. Gallows humor. If SD didn’t want to include Patino in a Betts deal (never crystal clear in rumors but suggested), then they’re not trading him for Matt freakin Barnes.He’s not walking through that door
Rather give ABs to Chavis at 2B vs the guy with a sub-.300 career OBP.Yolmer Sanchez released. Might as well give him a shot. 28 yo, gold glove at 2b last year, has shown the ability to OPS .700 with 40-50 XBH.
He peaked at a 97 OPS+ three years ago and couldn't make the Giants roster this year. I don't think he has a whole lot of upside.Yolmer Sanchez released. Might as well give him a shot. 28 yo, gold glove at 2b last year, has shown the ability to OPS .700 with 40-50 XBH.
I think we'd need to take on Tatis' salary too.Think we could get Patino for him??
The negativity in this town sucks.He’s not walking through that door
I understand, however, I have a real question. As players are traded away and spots on the 60 player pool are open, could not a team fill those spots with lower rung prospects who just happen to be desired by other trade partners? If so, then functionally anyone in the farm system could be traded.Since only players from the 60-man player pool are eligible to be traded this year, a lot of prospects from the lower rungs of organizations are off limits. I would think that makes it harder to pull off the "middling veteran for a lottery ticket" trade. Combined with the added randomness of a shorter season and larger playoffs (and uncertainty any of it gets completed), I don't think it's a good year to be a seller.
Yes, it seems like they can, which is why I think many teams have open 60 man spots currently. They are making the rules up as they go, though, so who knows.I understand, however, I have a real question. As players are traded away and spots on the 60 player pool are open, could not a team fill those spots with lower rung prospects who just happen to be desired by other trade partners? If so, then functionally anyone in the farm system could be traded.
But, as I mentioned this is a real question since I do not know whether that sort of movement is allowed.
This is the right way to approach it. That cheap team option coupled with the way he's throwing the ball makes him extremely valuable. Of guys left to move, I think he has to have the most value.If they're actually planning to contend next year then Martin Perez makes a ton of sense as a #3-#5 starter for almost no money. If they really don't think they can contend next year he should be on the block.
Yeah, but pretty clearly he’s just spitballing (and he acknowledges how bad AB has been this year). I have a hard time believing that any team sees Benintendi as a positive asset at the moment but who knows - he’s shown promise in the past so if a team thinks they’ve identified something they can work with him on maybe he could form part of a larger trade.Ken Rosenthal says that Andrew Benintendi is "an available hitter" when talking about Cleveland possibly trying to trade Mike Clevenger/Zach Plesac.
https://theathletic.com/2018340/2020/08/24/rosenthal-5-clubs-that-might-surprise-at-the-trade-deadline-more-news-and-notes/
LOL. Cleveland calls and says we want hitting for Clevinger or Plesac...who ya got? And Boston says, "We can give you Benintendi."Ken Rosenthal says that Andrew Benintendi is "an available hitter" when talking about Cleveland possibly trying to trade Mike Clevenger/Zach Plesac.
https://theathletic.com/2018340/2020/08/24/rosenthal-5-clubs-that-might-surprise-at-the-trade-deadline-more-news-and-notes/
He's a player whose shown he can be an everyday player at the top of a good lineup who comes cheap and is controllable for the next 3 years. Cleveland needs OFers and as you say may think they can fix him. They have a glut of young starting pitching so it may be a situation of "we'll trade you our problem for your problem".Yeah, but pretty clearly he’s just spitballing (and he acknowledges how bad AB has been this year). I have a hard time believing that any team sees Benintendi as a positive asset at the moment but who knows - he’s shown promise in the past so if a team thinks they’ve identified something they can work with him on maybe he could form part of a larger trade.
A "glut" of young starting pitching is never a "problem."They have a glut of young starting pitching so it may be a situation of "we'll trade you our problem for your problem".
Yeah, I don't think Chaim Bloom is working from a radio caller or website poster mentality when proposing dealsLOL. Cleveland calls and says we want hitting for Clevinger or Plesac...who ya got? And Boston says, "We can give you Benintendi."
I don't think the "glut" is the problem with Cleveland. Their problem is that two of their young starters happened to be on the outs with the majority of the clubhouse for their antics off the field. I think the glut only makes it slightly more palatable to move their problem without suffering too big a hit on the field (after all, they're 7-4 since booting Plesac and Clevinger).A "glut" of young starting pitching is never a "problem."
Of course it isn't. But when two of those players were literally voted off the team you could say there is a problem there.A "glut" of young starting pitching is never a "problem."
The problem with Cleveland is that their outfield is even worse than their rotation is good, and since they seem to be able to magically create solid starting pitchers out of thin air, it makes sense for them to trade another one as they did Kluber and Bauer.
In that case, great, but doesn’t waiver claim priority operate by league? Not sure if anything’s changed with this season’s rules."Slip through waivers to us"? The only team with a worse record than Boston is...Pittsburgh, who just released him.
I would love to bring in Heredia, but what about Jarren Duran?We have three outfielders conceivably on the block and almost no outfield depth in the upper minors.
Not directly, and unless Boston is ponying up Devers there's no real direct trade between the two teams. But as part of three way deal? I could see the Indians preferring to turn a lottery ticket into a major leaguer (if they believe they can fix him).LOL. Cleveland calls and says we want hitting for Clevinger or Plesac...who ya got? And Boston says, "We can give you Benintendi."
Yes, he is an "available hitter" for those two. 100%.
It's not people that are being "ridiculous" in this case. It's his teammates (and for the record, I'm on the teammates' side). They're not being held on the alternate training site because of public perception. They're there because their teammates don't want them in the clubhouse. I think you're wrong to think that every team in the league has the same problems. If other players were going out in public in violation of team/league rules, I don't think organizations would be giving them a pass.People in general are being ridiculous about the "problem" Cleveland has. I guess the Cardinals need to trade Yadier Molina since he seems to be a much worse problem. Every team in the league has had the same problems, it's just that Cleveland was unique in outing there's… not even the players on the Marlins and Cardinals who actually did get COVID from their actions paid with any public humiliation. It's a temporary problem they'll soon move past. I was just thinking yesterday that Boston would love to get a piece of Cleveland's cheap rotation depth, but I don't think Benintendi alone gets a deal done for any of Cleveland's top six starters anymore. The Indians also aren't a organization that makes a habit of trading long-term under-priced talent for pennies on the dollar or minor PR trouble.
Yeah, I guess Duran is close. In my mind he wasn’t ready to pencil in next year after struggling in Portland last year, but apparently he’s hitting well in the compound.I would love to bring in Heredia, but what about Jarren Duran?
I don't get what Boston would get out of this. A guy to hold down 1B for two years until Casas is ready? Why can't that be Dalbec or, you know, Chavis? Or Moreland, for that matter? And to get him, you're giving up Chavis plus two of our top 15 prospects and you're taking on a ton of salary. In this free agent market, $25m should buy a better outfielder than Polanco and at least two starting pitchers who are more likely to contribute in 2021 than Taillon.Boston receives: Colin Moran, Guillermo Heredia, Jameson Taillon, Gregory Polanco, Felipe Vazquez*
Pittsburgh receives: Chavis, Chatham, Houck
That's kind of what I think, too. But even though I think they should re-work his contract and keep him for the long term, if that's not Bloom's plan I imagine JD Martinez's name would put us right at the front of that line.Bottom line is any talk of the Red Sox getting Clevinger or Plesac for Benintendi (or even Benintendi+) is wishcasting of the highest order. Even if Cleveland were desperate to be rid of them (which they aren't), the Sox would be in line with 28 other teams. No chance that Cleveland would get fleeced.
Why would Pittsburgh put that many potential trade chips into a single deal?The more I play around with it, the a Pittsburgh deal makes sense to me if the Sox are taking on money, especially if Cherington has direction to clear salary.
Boston receives: Colin Moran, Guillermo Heredia, Jameson Taillon, Gregory Polanco, Felipe Vazquez*
Pittsburgh receives: Chavis, Chatham, Houck
Money, mostly. They’re in a tear-down and that trade shaves about $25m of their books for 2021. I have no idea whether the pandemic affects Bob Nutting’s personal finances, but since he makes his money in ski resorts and newspapers, I doubt he’s making out like Bezos.Why would Pittsburgh put that many potential trade chips into a single deal?
Felipe Vázquez the child rapist? Even as a paper transaction, no thanks.Yeah, I guess Duran is close. In my mind he wasn’t ready to pencil in next year after struggling in Portland last year, but apparently he’s hitting well in the compound.
The more I play around with it, the a Pittsburgh deal makes sense to me if the Sox are taking on money, especially if Cherington has direction to clear salary.
Boston receives: Colin Moran, Guillermo Heredia, Jameson Taillon, Gregory Polanco, Felipe Vazquez*
Pittsburgh receives: Chavis, Chatham, Houck
That’s less lopsided than it may seem. A lot of dead money would change hands, including guys whose ‘20-21 salaries are higher than their AAVs (why Wil Myers fit well). That matters for teams like Pittsburgh, who furloughed a bunch of employees and are going through a full rebuild. I think the Sox can shoulder it if they don’t have to pay their share of Price’s contract this year, but I expect they’ll get clarity on that soon.
Moran would be the prize. He’s entering arb, on the cusp of a breakout and would be a good bridge to Casas. Taillon is rehabbing and under control for two more years, but had the makings of a frontline starter before cancer and two Tommy Johns. Cherington wants him to rebound with a good 2021 so he can flip his final year, but that’s a $10-15m risk that Bob Nutting might not want to take. Polanco is a clear change of scenery candidate. He makes $11.5m next year ($7m aav) with two team options and may rebound well enough to be trade bait for us at the deadline. He more likely can’t be fixed, but someone has got to play the outfield for the Sox next year. Heredia is cheap and can play all three outfield positions well. Vazquez is owed $7.5m next year ($5.5m aav) and is purely ballast, obviously wouldn’t put on the uniform.
Pittsburgh would clear about $25m of 2021 salary, get 5+ years of Chavis, a Cherington draftee, who could probably do a good Jonathan Schoop impression. Chatham, if he was ever in our plans, is redundant with Arauz likely to stick. And Houck could be a good bulk guy for them.
*I’m not sure if Felipe Vazquez’s contract was voided or if Pittsburgh has to pay it. It’s listed that they do on Cot’s and Spotrac, so I’m going with that.