Red Sox Rumors - Just Kidding
- Thread starter jcormjmac
- Start date
Same guy from earlier that thought Rafaela was about to be traded.
View: https://twitter.com/ggeiss24/status/1611109709469057024?s=46&t=5hKbHEploEHBKi85SdVAkA
View: https://twitter.com/ggeiss24/status/1611109709469057024?s=46&t=5hKbHEploEHBKi85SdVAkA
Soooo, a bullshitter. Can we stop with the unverified, anonymous twitter accounts as rumor sources? I know this thread has been a clown show since it opened, but we're supposed to be better than this.
I disagree on this as I said before, it's a rumors thread and the anonymous Twitter accounts are on average more informed and accurate than most of the print sources that are just click-baiting other people's rumors or guesses from two weeks ago. I do think starting a new thread reporting this as actual news was wrong, and so that thread is now locked.
At least there's some basis to think that while the real journalists might be click-baiting (I hate that too), at least they have known connections to teams and players and agents. There is ZERO reason to believe these anonymous twitter creatures have a shred of credibility when they post bullshit and sucker people into believing it. It's beneath the standards of this site to allow them to be brought even into a rumors thread as if they're worth our time. But whatever. I know when to stop beating my head against the wall.
I think there are three basic categories here (maybe I'm forgetting something):
1) Actual reporters like Olney and Passan. Their tweets/rumors are generally based in some kind of reality but on the flip side, they are accountable to the teams and players involved, and so I think not much exciting leaks out this way.
2) The 22 year olds posting 'stories' with clickbait links to some other old rumors, these IMO should never be posted. If you need to post, at least click through to the original story that they are riffing off of and decide whether that is worth posting. NJ.com specializes in this shit, many other places too (there were some msn ones upthread).
3) Anonymous tweets. I am personally a fan of these while keeping in mind they are often full of shit, but these days this is the way many moves actually leak. I agree with you in general about standards on the main board, but I think those are different in a 'rumors' thread titled as such. You disagree, I respect that.
If there is any truth to this I'll be glad I just started getting into cricket. I can't root for a team that employs Yuli Gurriel without anything approaching an adequate public reckoning for his racist behavior.
Fair enough. Would it be too much to ask that if someone is bringing one of these tweets to the thread, even the lowly unimportant "rumors" thread, they provide something to justify why we should consider it? We ask that in other areas of the forum when an unknown twitter account is cited. It could even be as simple as "I know this guy has no credibility, but what would a Yuli Gurriel signing look like for the Sox?" Using the random tweet as a jumping off point for discussion might be more interesting than just throwing it out and getting folks worked up or upset about something that has a 99.9% of being entirely false.
I think all the Gurriel talk might stem from this speculative SI piece from Wednesday. It's interesting, if read as an educated guess, but whenever I see "could" in a headline, I tend to ignore the main thrust.
If it's presented as news, as a fait accompli, then the poster should be careful about checking the reputability of the source, which was the issue here.
If it's a rumor ('the Red Sox are interested in Yuri Gurriel'), I think that just presenting it here as is is OK, basically bringing it to people's attention, and any discussion can start there. I agree that it's a problem when faulty info launches a discussion as if it's true, but a 'rumor' thread is the rare place where I think that is less of an issue. Most rumors don't end up happening, true or not, and once/if they do, then they are news and should be in a new/different thread.
Did he see it on SoSH? We probably have the ability to get our own "rumor" going at this point.
This is a rumor thread in which 90% of posts contain no rumor. I saw something on Twitter that multiple secondary people were tweeting. I literally just asked a question as to whether anyone else is hearing anything about it.
Wondering if Wacha is still in the mix for SP depth if the price and term are right. Is a 2/$20 something to consider?
Only rumors are the Twins might be interest.
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/mlb-rumors-twins-have-shown-interest-rhp-michael-wacha
Only rumors are the Twins might be interest.
https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/mlb-rumors-twins-have-shown-interest-rhp-michael-wacha
Think second/short is the bigger issue than a combo for Casas. My opinion is the Sox plan to run Casas out every day. Not sure what that means for Bobby D.
If reports are right and the Sox only have ~$10M left under the CBT threshold I doubt they’d use up their remaining room on another #3/4 starter.
Sale / Kluber / Pivetta / Bello / Whitlock / Paxton / Houck already gives them a fair amount of potential starters. I still feel the rotation is missing another top end talent, but they do have relatively good depth.
If they’re going to sign someone I would rather it be a legitimate 2B like Iglesias or (pretty please) a trade for Adames that keeps Story at 2B, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re comfortable going with Arroyo and hoping Valdez can come up in June/July.
If they go with Arroyo they're going to need another MI before June/July. Unless you're depending on RFsnyder, in which case there is still going to be another need to fill a bench slot.
If these Gurriel rumors are to be believed, one would think Dalbec is on the block. How would he fit into the deal with the Marlins? They signed Segura for 3B (could potentially move to 2B) and have Garrett Cooper at DH/1B. They also haven't really replaced Aguilar, whom they cut toward the end of last year. They used Lewin Diaz (since claimed off waivers) and Charles Leblanc (DFAd for Segura) at 1B in September.
I think you’d want to take the same exercise on the other rumored trade partners as well. Padres (Kim) and Angels (Brasier). Does Dalbec have any options left?
That has to be the plan regarding Casas. If it's not, trading Casas makes more sense.
All I mean by that is I think we all understand the issues Casas had hitting LHP at the upper levels of the minors (and of course the Sox do to). They also have far more information on the player than we do, so if they think that those issues are something he can work on / improve at based on their internal scouting, then he plays every single day at first base, with the exception of "normal" days off for any player. If they think they truly need to find a RHH platoon option for Casas because they don't believe he'll be able to hit LHP, then you work hard to find someone whom values him as an everyday piece / disagrees with your scouting take.
For instance, something like Casas for Lopez and Dax Fulton checks out on BTV. I'm not really advocating for or against such a move, more illustrating the point that Bloom and baseball OPS don't think Casas is a full time player, find someone whom does and maximize the value. If they DO think he's a full time player, than you don't worry too much about the RHH side of the 1b equation and fill that on the cheap for the 15 or so games Casas will get a rest through the year.
They are not trading Casas for pitching. It goes against every single move they have made the last 2 years.
Everything about Casas approach, dedication to hitting, strike zone judgement, would lead you to believe he will hit left handed pitching.
People, I believe, are not properly discounting his age. Debuting at 21 and showing the type of strike zone judgment is exceedingly rare. He will be 22 years old for the entirety of the 2023 season. He's unbelievably young.
Everything about Casas approach, dedication to hitting, strike zone judgement, would lead you to believe he will hit left handed pitching.
People, I believe, are not properly discounting his age. Debuting at 21 and showing the type of strike zone judgment is exceedingly rare. He will be 22 years old for the entirety of the 2023 season. He's unbelievably young.
Yeah. I mean, I would be shocked if the Sox traded Casas, it would be completely out of character for them. And I think that while Casas should have as many at bats as he needs, he also needs a caddie and Dalbec isn't that dude. I thought that they'd keep Hosmer because he was cheap, but it appears that if the Gurriel rumors are true it would be him. Though I have to ask why would you spend more money on Gurriel when he and Hosmer provide about the same amount of production?
Last year Hosmer hit .268/.334/.382 with eight homers and Gurriel hit .242/.334/.382 with eight homers. Why would the Sox invest more money for less production?
Hosmer is a lefty & Gurriel is a righty. To the extent that they would rest Casas, it would be against tough lefties. & the Red Sox were paying Hosmer the minimum, but his AAV was higher, so there's no guarantee a Gurriel contract would have a higher AAV than Hosmer's.
Turner is that dude.
Gurriel to the Sox makes no sense, for either side. He can have a more clear path to playing time elsewhere and the Sox need a bench player who can play the OF.
Hosmer is a lefty like Casas. Casas gets all those at bats this year. They may want someone who hits righty, as Gurriel does.
Edit: My post is essentially a duplicate as others have already chimed in. Reiterating, though, that I personally doubt Gurriel is coming to the Sox. They don't need another 1b/DH type.
They still have Dalbec, and while a lot of folks around here are down on him, I fail to see how a 38 year old who was barely better than Dalbec last year is any kind of upgrade. If you limit Dalbec to just facing LHP, he's a pretty potent bat (.268/.333/.522/.855, 19 HR in 330 career PA)
No reason to believe this, but it's a rumor and this is the rumors thread:
View: https://twitter.com/mlb_scoops/status/1611391803411808258
View: https://twitter.com/mlb_scoops/status/1611391803411808258
I think some of us hoped that he might be. The reality is that in 14 seasons he's played in 1183 MLB games and has only appeared in 39 games at 1B (25 starts) over parts of 5 seasons and hasn't done so since 2016.
I think that most speculation regarding Gurial hinges on the idea that Dalbec is included in a deal that helps fill another need.
Did I misunderstand. I thought you were saying that Turner's the RH side of the 1B equation?
Exactly. To be clear, I wasn't saying that we should trade Casas for that, I was saying that I don't think the Red Sox are already saying Casas needs to have a platoon partner. You have someone (Turner) who can spell him for 15 games or whatever the number is that a starting player gets off for regular rest during the season.
IF the Red Sox are of the opinion that Casas is only and will ever only be the strong side of a platoon (I doubt they are) then you trade him. I think they will (and probably should) just make him their every day 1b option; and hopefully find someone that thinks more of Dalbec than him just being the weak side of a platoon. No idea if there are organizations out there who think that, obviously.
It shouldn't be a RH side of 1b, it should be someone whom can play there 15 times a year, probably against the toughest LHP on your schedule. Turner fits that.
I never claimed that he couldn't handle, nor am I a huge supporter of Gurriel coming in. What I am doing is taking part in a discussion with folks try to assess the hows and whys of a potential signing. Does he seem redundant considering other moves made so far? In some ways yes and that's why I'm not overly enthused here, but Gurriel could well be a more dependable glove and that may be a consideration when you consider some of the glove play we've seen there recently.
They were also looking to extend their current 3rd baseman after losing the guy that many think to be a close friend. No need to rock that boat.
View: https://twitter.com/jared_carrabis/status/1611405915097284610?s=46&t=jxDbboXuwBomR3PAgtAcRg
I know it’s Carrabis but last time he made a tweet like this it was for Kluber. Mets are sounding less and less likely they’re gonna get something done.
I know it’s Carrabis but last time he made a tweet like this it was for Kluber. Mets are sounding less and less likely they’re gonna get something done.
To your point, Mets and CC breaking down:
View: https://twitter.com/mlbonfox/status/1611402389160103936?s=46&t=SMTfsTbJWQb1qp8mmX3HaA
View: https://twitter.com/mlbonfox/status/1611402389160103936?s=46&t=SMTfsTbJWQb1qp8mmX3HaA