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Are you disagreeing with the notion that the rest of the division is still better than them? As much as you may not want to hear it, it’s true.
Yes.. I disagree strongly with that statement... its 100% not true and its nothing more than Hot takez to fill air time... especially since the offseason is not even half over

it means jack **** that the rest of the division is still better than them. because they only look better than them on PAPER... thats why the games are played on the field... (or Ice/Court/ etc)







Go look up the "predictions" for the 2013 season and come back and tell me how many had the sox winning the WS (let alone make the playoffs)

I can wait..
 

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2 big moves today that weren't really on anyones radar 24 hours ago. Hopefully people remember that the next time some random tweet says they are interested or not interested in player X.
 

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Ultimately I think they took a chance at sneaking these guys through knowing that the last few spots currently occupied on the 40-man (Ort, Hernandez, etc.) will be filled in by major leaguers signed as FA’s soon anyways. Odds are we get these guys back anyways.
I think this is completely wrong. Everyone following the lead up to the draft thought it was likely the Sox would lose one to two players. (No one that I’m aware of saw the Song pick, however.) The Sox Prospects guys made this exact prediction. I mean, Ward was the first first player selected! If you think that everyone except the Sox understood that these players were likely to have been selected then you have a very, very low opinion of the front office indeed.
 

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Its interesting, in that hot stove sort of way.....two big moves. Neither of which, AFAIK, was mentioned by the usual rumor-mongers in the days prior.
 

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Yes.. I disagree strongly with that statement... its 100% not true and its nothing more than Hot takez to fill air time... especially since the offseason is not even half over

it means jack **** that the rest of the division is still better than them. because they only look better than them on PAPER... thats why the games are played on the field... (or Ice/Court/ etc)







Go look up the "predictions" for the 2013 season and come back and tell me how many had the sox winning the WS (let alone make the playoffs)

I can wait..
2013 is an extreme outlier and you know it.

You’re blind if you don’t see that they are still behind the rest of the division. The Yankees are miles better, Blue Jays and Rays are better, and the Orioles are a high upside team with oodles of young, ML ready talent.

The Yoshida and Jansen deals theoretically help, no doubt. I’m glad they’re spending. However, the rotation is a huge question mark, they need a middle of the order power bat even if X is back, a RF if they don’t feel like Yoshida can play, catcher needs an upgrade. I’ve been saying all offseason that I will give Bloom this offseason to prove that he can make the necessary upgrades to be a playoff team. I hope today is the start of it, but to not acknowledge how far they have to go is just putting your head in the sand.
 

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2013 is an extreme outlier and you know it.

You’re blind if you don’t see that they are still behind the rest of the division. The Yankees are miles better, Blue Jays and Rays are better, and the Orioles are a high upside team with oodles of young, ML ready talent.

The Yoshida and Jansen deals theoretically help, no doubt. I’m glad they’re spending. However, the rotation is a huge question mark, they need a middle of the order power bat even if X is back, a RF if they don’t feel like Yoshida can play, catcher needs an upgrade. I’ve been saying all offseason that I will give Bloom this offseason to prove that he can make the necessary upgrades to be a playoff team. I hope today is the start of it, but to not acknowledge how far they have to go is just putting your head in the sand.
I see we won't agree on this given you are moving the goal posts.. so lets just agree to disagree...

I stand my my opinion that who is the "better" team in the offseason means jack crap, (and that goes for any sport not just MLB)
 
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I see we won't agree on this given you are moving the goal posts.. so lets just agree to disagree...

I stand my my opinion that who is the "better" team in the offseason means jack crap, (and that goes for any sport not just MLB)
There are no goal posts being moved. My opinion is that they have the least talented roster in the division and laid out my reasons why. Predictions can be wrong, but the vast majority of the time the more talented teams have the better records. Not exactly a hot take.
 

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Yoshida another left handed bat that makes me think they need a Right handed dh? I wonder if they can get J D Martinez to come back at a discount?
JD last year hit 16 homers and had a slash line of .274/.341/.448/.790, for an ops+ of 117. Not nearly the power guy he used to be, but that's still a good overall MLB hitter. He had 43 doubles in there. Wouldn't be the absolute worst idea to bring him back for one year at modest money, if he'd be amenable to that. I'd prefer someone better, but it wouldn't be the worst idea.
 

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I think getting a rhb makes sense, but it would make more sense if they could also play OF.
 

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They really need someone who crushes lefties, and can ideally play RF. Wil Myers could be a good fit, not great defensively but somewhat versatile.
 

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Meh. Maybe we don't need rhb's anymore now that there is no shift.

X (hypothetically), Story, Kiké, Refsnyder, Wong seems like enough, especially with Dugo not really having splits. Plus Dalbec & Arroyo are still kicking around.

If we can get a sensible upgrade, sure, but it's whatever.
 

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Reading between the lines, appears Pete Abe thinks their intention is Xander + trade for SP?
 

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Reading between the lines, appears Pete Abe thinks their intention is Xander + trade for SP?
I don't have a problem with the approach necessarily, but it feels...weird...not having a true DH coming off of so many years of Ortiz and JDM anchoring the lineup.
 

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I don't have a problem with the approach necessarily, but it feels...weird...not having a true DH coming off of so many years of Ortiz and JDM anchoring the lineup.
Especially because they lack a true power bat outside of Devers. Doesn't necessarily need to be a full-time DH but I'll feel a lot better if they sign someone.
 

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I don't have a problem with the approach necessarily, but it feels...weird...not having a true DH coming off of so many years of Ortiz and JDM anchoring the lineup.
I actually think it might make some sense, given the following assumptions.

1) If I'm doing the math right, we are something like $45m under the first threshold without Bogaerts.
2) We want another SP.
3) We were over the threshold last year, and don’t want to be over 3x in a row — but could.
4) We have a number of young position players on the 40-man roster with real question marks but a pile of offensive upside: Enmanuel Valdez, Jarren Duran, Bobby Dalbec, maybe Hoy Park or Wilyer Abreu. Hell, toss in Refsnyder and Arroyo, too.
5) DH would likely be the easiest place to add at the deadline.

So one option that actually seems pretty good would be aim to sign Bogaerts (for ~2/3 of our remaining amount under the threshold), then see if you can fit a Wacha/Eovaldi/trade target in what space remains, and then you go into camp with an open job at DH. This gives you a couple hundred PA to audition guys, and maybe somebody breaks out.

Would it really be all that shocking if Valdez (minor league OPS of .996 against RHP last season) and Dalbec (career .855 OPS against LHP) could be a reasonably-effective, very-cheap DH platoon, while also providing depth at a range of defensive positions? Maybe Duran finally settles on a swing that works for him and taps into the considerable offensive potential he showed in the minors as a power/speed guy.

Then you can reassess midseason. Maybe the rest of the roster is firing on all cylinders — Sale and Paxton are healthy and effective; Bello and Whitlock are seizing their rotation opportunities; Masa Yoshida is hitting the American League like it's the Pacific League; Casas is at .250/.350/.500 with a dozen HR — and we're in the thick of contention in a killer AL East. Then, if none of the spare parts have made themselves indispensible, we could add a rental power bat from a team that's out of contention midseason — Ian Happ? somebody like that — and either make the money work or decide we're going over to make a playoff run and we'll figure out a way to get back under in the offseason.
 

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Think that’s what Verducci’s hinting at. Someone in the Jansen specific thread mentioned he takes nearly 2x the time limit with batters on and not on. If he can’t adjust, it could be problematic.
He wasn't hinting at anything. He said specifically:
(1) the pitch clock is coming into the game next season and Jansen is one of the slowest-paced pitchers in MLB; and
(2) the bigger bases are meant to encourage steals and Jansen is one of the worst pitchers in MLB at holding guys on.
 

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Sale, Paxton, Whitlock, Pivetta, Houck and Bello. Do we need one more SP? Crawford was serviceable last year, and there’s hope that Winckowski can improve. Get Xander/Correa signed and get another high-quality relief pitcher IMO.
 

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I actually think it might make some sense, given the following assumptions.

1) If I'm doing the math right, we are something like $45m under the first threshold without Bogaerts.
2) We want another SP.
3) We were over the threshold last year, and don’t want to be over 3x in a row — but could.
4) We have a number of young position players on the 40-man roster with real question marks but a pile of offensive upside: Enmanuel Valdez, Jarren Duran, Bobby Dalbec, maybe Hoy Park or Wilyer Abreu. Hell, toss in Refsnyder and Arroyo, too.
5) DH would likely be the easiest place to add at the deadline.

So one option that actually seems pretty good would be aim to sign Bogaerts (for ~2/3 of our remaining amount under the threshold), then see if you can fit a Wacha/Eovaldi/trade target in what space remains, and then you go into camp with an open job at DH. This gives you a couple hundred PA to audition guys, and maybe somebody breaks out.

Would it really be all that shocking if Valdez (minor league OPS of .996 against RHP last season) and Dalbec (career .855 OPS against LHP) could be a reasonably-effective, very-cheap DH platoon, while also providing depth at a range of defensive positions? Maybe Duran finally settles on a swing that works for him and taps into the considerable offensive potential he showed in the minors as a power/speed guy.

Then you can reassess midseason. Maybe the rest of the roster is firing on all cylinders — Sale and Paxton are healthy and effective; Bello and Whitlock are seizing their rotation opportunities; Masa Yoshida is hitting the American League like it's the Pacific League; Casas is at .250/.350/.500 with a dozen HR — and we're in the thick of contention in a killer AL East. Then, if none of the spare parts have made themselves indispensible, we could add a rental power bat from a team that's out of contention midseason — Ian Happ? somebody like that — and either make the money work or decide we're going over to make a playoff run and we'll figure out a way to get back under in the offseason.
I wouldn't mind a Valdez/Dalbec platoon DH. I don't think you can find another lefty masher all that easily, and Refsnyder and Dalbec both project to be better than most of the interesting ones. The one exception is Rhys Hoskins, who seems like an excellent fit for this team right now, but maybe there are concerns about how he'd feel being taken off full-time 1B duties a year before he hits free agency.

We want another SP and I think we'll get one. And it sure sounds like Rich Hill is also there for the taking. If we do, that leaves our trade chips on the 40-man, as I see them, as Houck, Pivetta, Verdugo, Rafaela, Duran, Dalbec, Arroyo and Hosmer (and to a lesser extent Winckowski, Seabold, Darwinzon Hernández and Downs). I think we could get someone interesting with some combination of those guys, whether it's Kepler or Hoskins or both.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/kikehndez/status/1600569274539442176?s=20&t=TlJGL2vMa2d1c5YQ4CPCjA


We're into emoji/cryptic excitement phase. If it's not done today my week will be ruined.
View: https://twitter.com/BostonStrong_34/status/1600709683601625088

Kiké knows more then we do lol

IMO he would not be trolling the fanbase like this unless he knew Xander was signed.
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View: https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/1600711422652162049?s=46&t=mZLlSMH_1cH7MXAVd_Yt8Q

No duh, grain of salt, and all that, but the sports newspaper in Japan says the Red Sox are working on acquiring Kodai Senga in their Masataka Yoshida story.
 
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Does Yoshida have any kind of pull with Senga? Is it possible that Boston is a more attractive destination with Yoshida here?
Yea, the Padres really need a shortstop.

Sure Jan Jon.
“Jonny, I’d like to squeeze an extra couple mill outta Boston. Help me out?”
I mean yeah it’s probably just posturing but I won’t be able to relax until the contract is signed. The longer it goes on the more possible someone else steps in and takes him away from us
Sounds like Cora is the closer. I'm surprised, though, that given the early reports, it's going to take another day
What happened to the “momentum”? Something doesn’t feel right
 

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I wouldn't mind a Valdez/Dalbec platoon DH. I don't think you can find another lefty masher all that easily, and Refsnyder and Dalbec both project to be better than most of the interesting ones. The one exception is Rhys Hoskins, who seems like an excellent fit for this team right now, but maybe there are concerns about how he'd feel being taken off full-time 1B duties a year before he hits free agency.

We want another SP and I think we'll get one. And it sure sounds like Rich Hill is also there for the taking. If we do, that leaves our trade chips on the 40-man, as I see them, as Houck, Pivetta, Verdugo, Rafaela, Duran, Dalbec, Arroyo and Hosmer (and to a lesser extent Winckowski, Seabold, Darwinzon Hernández and Downs). I think we could get someone interesting with some combination of those guys, whether it's Kepler or Hoskins or both.
With the addition of Yoshida some are taking about trading Verdugo. I say keep him and see what it takes to bring Kepler in. An OF of Yoshida, Hernandez, Verdugo and Kepler with RFsnyder on the bench looks a lot better than what they started last season with. Yoshida and Verdugo cover left, Hernandez and Kepler cover center, Kepler and Verdugo cover right and RFsnyder can cover all three OF positions. There is more than enough in that rotation to cover DH.
 

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“No duh, grain of salt, and all that, but the sports newspaper in Japan says the Red Sox are working on acquiring Kodai Senga in their Masataka Yoshida story.”
Following the Yoshida signing, I wondered if this would also help with a potential Senga addition. Players often struggle in their initial season following a move to a new city, never mind an entirely different country; thus, I imagine that having a teammate from the same country/culture (experiencing the same transition) would be helpful. Plus, from all acounts, Senga is ... talented. I'd love to see him or Eovaldi signed. From there, add an additional bargain bat or two, pull a trade for another starter, and we're in business! Baseball's a weird game. With a handful of top hitters, a decent supporting cast, healthy-ish rotation, and key deadline deal or two, anything is possible.

On a side note? Maybe it's because I was born in '81 and by the time I turned 21 I was convinced the Red Sox would never win a World Series (Wait, we've won f-cking four during my lifetime?), but I'm completely perplexed by the Bloom impatience. I'm sold on his vision and am all for the necessary short-term steps to turn the Sox into a Dodgers/Padres/Astros kind of monster. Creating an organization with a loaded farm system and Top-5 spending power is by far the best way to compete for champions on a year-to-year basis.
 

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They’re a team with the money and the need for a big signing. As far as I’m concerned they’re a threat until we get his signature on a contract
Anything is possible.

I was just mocking Heyman. Realized i didn't quite nail the exact language of the Tweet pre-edit, though.
 

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They’re a team with the money and the need for a big signing. As far as I’m concerned they’re a threat until we get his signature on a contract
I think that the Xander situation in similar to what we saw with Judge. Bogaerts wants to stay in Boston -- if it's within reasonable range of his best offer(s), he'll be back. My guess? The re-signing is announced by noontime tomorrow.