Red Sox Hot Stove Rumors
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Really going to dislike pitching to that Toronto lineup. Jesus. Donaldson, Encarnacion, Bautista. That's brutal
They must have read that Fangraphs article about loading up on Rs at Fenway!foulkehampshire said:
The thought was that I'd rather the Sox had traded for Donaldson than sign Panda. It's a moot point, though.Rudy Pemberton said:
Which puts them in a position to find a 3b. They may claim our former Juan Francisco.Hee Sox Choi said:
Not even close. Cecchini, Marrero + SP prospect + lottery ticket maybe. Remember, they traded Addison Russell for him who is a top 5 prospect. He's going to want to recoup some of that loss but perhaps we can make up for it by sending 4 prospects?Green Monster said:
I wouldn't doubt it. Then again are they really in rebuilding mode? Seems to me that they're going to retool more than anything else.soxhop411 said:
So if the A's are in full rebuilding mode does that mean Grey would be on the block? On one hand a young cost controlled pitcher can get you a truck load. On the other hand If Beane feels the rebuild will only take two or three years then he might want to keep Grey around for his last couple arb years to anchor the staff.
I'm skeptical Gray gets moved. Maybe if Beane wants to fully restock in two fell swoops, but he's also got Samardzija and Kazmir to deal, so he should be able to acquire some very good prospects without giving up a guy who could still be there as an ace when those prospects are MLB-ready.OptimusPapi said:
@jcrasnick: A source says #Athletics are willing to trade Jeff Samardzija in "the right deal." It just wasn't this deal.
True, but on the other hand, much of the value they're getting back is in an 18-yo SS and two young pitchers. It's a very A's deal; something for now, something for later.MakMan44 said:
Mibelt Rodriguez @MibeltRodriguez 58s59 seconds ago
Source: Athletics interested on LF Yoenis Cespedes, the Boston Red Sox in SP Jeff Samardzija. #Athletics #MLB #Redsox
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This would just be too funny.
Source: Athletics interested on LF Yoenis Cespedes, the Boston Red Sox in SP Jeff Samardzija. #Athletics #MLB #Redsox
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This would just be too funny.
I could see Beane buying "low" on some of our prospects that we are down on...guys like JBJ, Cecchini, Ranaudo, WMB and picking some of them up for 1 year of Shark.
I could also see them valuing Nava as the strong side of a platoon, and move a mouthy Reddick.
Cespedes + Ranaudo + WMB + Nava for 1 yr of Shark
I could also see them valuing Nava as the strong side of a platoon, and move a mouthy Reddick.
Cespedes + Ranaudo + WMB + Nava for 1 yr of Shark
Even without Donaldson, they've got an everyday core that could continue to produce at an above average level for 2015; but they'll have lost their best player by far (~8 bWAR in 2014, nobody else in the lineup put up half that) and would be counting on best-case scenarios for a lot of guys, most of whom slumped towards the finish in 2014.CaskNFappin said:
It's a very risky strategy; last time Beane did this with a position player, he turned Carlos Gonzalez* into Matt Holiday into Brett Wallace into Michael Taylor into Jake Sanchez. Who is Jake Sanchez? Exactly.
*To be fair, he got CarGo in the Haren deal.
I imagine Beane has no real interest in Cespedes and would just be using him to facilitate a trade for prospects.
Would be hilarious to end up with both Shark and Lester.
Would be hilarious to end up with both Shark and Lester.
or Beane could go and sign Headley for four years and $60M and basically be buying those four prospects for about 2WAR/year at 3B and $25M
Sweet trade ... you got to love BB. The prospects all have significant up-ticks and he's got 3 players to keep feeding the team while still covering 3B. Nice, nice move.BarrettsHiddenBall said:
Can we give him Cespedes back for Samardzija?
Don't think I'd go that far. Donaldson is a weird one; didn't show up until 27 and promptly turned into an absolute stud. Maybe he loses it as fast as he figured it out, but he's been one of the top 3 position players in baseball over the past two years. Plus this is his first arb-year (4 total as a super-2), so they could easily afford him and then flip him next year with three years of control left when the arb awards get closer to market. I understand the arguments that WAR = WAR whether it's 1x8 or 4x2, but I still believe that being able to get 7 or 8 WAR out of one guy has a disproportionate benefit to the team. Even with an unusual career structure, you've got to receive a premium (or ideally an equally special player in a different position) for those guys to give them up, all the more so when they're still cheap.lxt said:
On the haul, Lawrie is interesting but a clear and significant downgrade (looks like a ~2-3 WAR player optimistically unless he really puts it together). The pitching depth is nice (and apparently they're fly-ball guys who get off easier at O.Co) but not sure about the upside; Graveman could be interesting, but Nolin is listed as potential 4th starter. And Barretto could be a f'n A prospect, but he's years away. I'm surprised the A's were reportedly 'overwhelmed' by this offer, but I'm not that familiar with the prospects involved so could well be wrong; my objections are.more on principle, both giving up on a top-of-the-pyramid talent for parts, and counting on a prospect that hasn't played above A-ball.
What is the appeal of Samardzija? I don;t follow the National League much, so I am not aware of his perfromance with the Cubs.
Looking over his statistics, I don't see what the fuss is. WHere would he rank as a starter? A number 3 or 4 guy?
Looking over his statistics, I don't see what the fuss is. WHere would he rank as a starter? A number 3 or 4 guy?
How many teams have 2 guys better than Samardzijas 2014 numbers? Let alone 3 guys.LynnRice75 said:
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xFIP rank last three years, 11th, 22nd, 14th; xFIP rank, mean of last three years: 15th. That puts him a little better than Cole Hamels and a little worse than Madison Bumgarner.
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Lawrie is both younger and cheaper than I realized, so I now do not think it's quite the disaster I thought it was at first blush. I'd like this a lot better for the A's if they got a better pitching prospect in return.
If rumors are true that 1) A's are looking for bats 2) they like WMB and Cespedes, you have to think a Shark trade is coming sooner than later.
Over the last 3 years a lot of his numbers are pretty similar to Lester and Hamels, he's a 1, maybe a 2 at worst.LynnRice75 said:
K/9, BB/9. xFip-, etc.
The A's need a SS and so would have interest in Marrero. In fact, I would think that Marrero for Samardzija (SP?) would be the basis of a deal, but the Red Sox would need to include another valuable player or two. Maybe Brian Johnson or Henry Owens. I doubt the A's would take back Cespedes. The A's probably have little or no interest in Craig or Middlebrooks. I wonder what Beane thinks of Bradley Jr......
Between Yoenis, Cecchini, Marrero, WMB, Sean Coyle, Wendell Rijo and the bevy of young SP in the stable, I would imagine we have a really good shot at landing Shark this week. Both GMs value players similarly and they've made trades in the past. Would love to land Shark, he's underrated and had a late start learning how to pitch so there isn't much mileage on the arm. The guy is right on the precipice of becoming an Ace.
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Signing a fat 3 WAR guy for $20m AAV and then watching a top 3 player at his position get traded a week later to a division rival for a mediocre package looks pretty bad from the Sox' perspective. We'll never know what conversations they had with Oakland but it seems like the Sox had the assets to easily beat the Jays offer for this one.
Toe Nash said:
Oakland looks to be gambling that Lawrie can stay healthy and be close to the equivalent of Donaldson the next 4 years as they each move up/down the age curve (plus three prospects to hedge bets). Who is the comparable guy the Sox could have offered? Certainly not Middlebrooks.
Toe Nash said:
except they didn't. Lawrie is a starting 3b. Beane then got three decent prospects in addition to that starting 3b. I'm not saying I'm impressed with the haul Beane got because for a guy maybe third or 4th most valuable in the league based on WAR and under control I would've demanded Stroman.
Bottom line is the signing of the "fat 3 war guy"as you myopically state was necessitated because WMB is a colossal failure and can't be relied on by anybody.
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