Red Sox have hired former Angels GM Jerry Dipoto

[EvilEmpire]

Is there actually that much "secret stuff" a baseball team would want to hide from other baseball teams? I mean, it stinks if you're trying to pull of a deal and they know how much you value one of their guys, or whatever, but I doesn't seem like there are patents being stolen or something like that. They could just chose to not show him the specifics of their proprietary metrics if they so chose. The Cardinals/Astros thing always seemed to me to be more about the absurdity of it than an truly valuable data being taken.

I don't know. It's a competitive business with a lot of money involved, and player assessment processes are a huge part of it. I don't know how the Sox could bring in Dipoto to help them improve such processes without giving him a thorough understanding of how they do what they do. Even if the information objectively isn't that valuable, I'm doubtful that teams see it that way. Like the government, I bet the tendency is to overclassify

Maybe Dipoto's mandate will be different than to look at player assessment, but that seems to be what he is good at.

 

[Sampo Gida]

It could be that Dipoto is only interim until they hire a new head of Baseball Operations who would need to sign off on making it permanent.  I doubt Dipoto takes a job like that unless there is some chance of permanency.  Hard for me to imagine Ben keeping his job after an offseason as bad as this that flushed a lot of the Red Sox financial flexibility down the toilet and screwed not just 2015 but the next couple of years as well
 
But maybe it was what they say it is, just some help for Ben in the offseason

 

[fineyoungarm]

Maybe it could be a lot of things. Unless and until they happen, who cares?
 
Certainly at present it is Cherington bringing in an experienced baseball man to take a fresh look with a clear mind (at least about the Red Sox) in hopes of improving a difficult situation. Good.

 

[Buzzkill Pauley]

Can he pitch out of the bullpen?
 
 
Seriously, though, this is great news. Any fresh perspective on why the team has been so bad for the last two years, should be welcome. Especially when that perspective has a solid record of acquiring young pitching through trade.

 

[etakbear]

And good for the FO to realize that they need help and go out and get it. Hopefully he'll right the ship.

 

[Pumpsie]

 
If Cherington is making the hire, it would seem odd that he do it as a precursor to Dipoto being hired to replace him.  Unless Cherington is going to be bumped up the chain of command to President of Baseball Ops, and Dipoto is going to be Jed Hoyer to his Theo Epstein.

That does make some sense.  And it would quench my own personal bloodlust for Cherington's head.  I'm not rooting for Cherington's career going down the drain, I just don't want him being the GM for the Red Sox anymore.  Enough already.

Also, if a new GM were to be hired, what's the first thing he would do?  Exactly what Dipoto is going to be doing...evaluating the entire baseball operation. So, this may well be giving the new GM a running start by having him do this now, even before he's officially the GM. 

 

[Laser Show]

Haven't seen this elsewhere so apologies if it's been posted. Also I've used my 5 free Globe articles already this month so I can't click through to Cafardo to check the original wording. But anyways: http://www.overthemonster.com/2015/8/12/9144217/red-sox-interested-in-adding-pat-gillick-to-front-office

The Sox are reportedly also interested in bringing in Hall of Famer and current interim president of the Philadelphia Phillies Pat Gillick on to advise the front office.

 

[Buzzkill Pauley]

Hell yes. Give me Gillick for CEO, and Dipoto for GM.

 

[Laser Show]

Haven't seen this elsewhere so apologies if it's been posted. Also I've used my 5 free Globe articles already this month so I can't click through to Cafardo to check the original wording. But anyways: http://www.overthemonster.com/2015/8/12/9144217/red-sox-interested-in-adding-pat-gillick-to-front-office

Here's some from the Cafardo article:

Dipoto’s hiring was first reported by Peter Gammons on MLB Network. Gammons also said the Red Sox are trying to lure Hall of Fame executive Pat Gillick to become a senior adviser to Cherington.

Gillick had been the Phillies’ president during the recent rebuilding process, but he is stepping down after the season as when Andy MacPhail will take Gillick’s spot.

The Red Sox had not yet sought permission to speak to Gillick as MacPhail knew nothing about the Red Sox’ intention to pursue him.

Some of this is coming from ownership; clearly it’s been suggested that Cherington hire some baseball evaluators to aid him in rebuilding the team for next season.

 

[GaryPeters71]

From Buster Olney (paid subscription) blog today:
 
• Boston's hiring of former Angels GM Jerry Dipoto as a front-office consultant makes a lot of sense, because Dipoto is a highly respected evaluator, he has been involved in makeovers in Arizona and Anaheim, and he can provide a clear-eyed view of what needs to happen next for the Red Sox as they reshape the team for 2016. He's not emotionally tied to any of the players on the roster now and wasn't involved in their acquisition, so he can give blunt opinions on what Red Sox GM Ben Cherington might consider moving forward.

 

[jscola85]

It's pretty much impossible to quibble with Gillick's track record.  His focus on strong scouting departments should mesh well with the current org, even if he is not a "stats guy", given that Cherington cut his teeth developing the minor league system.  I'd imagine one area that's been a huge point of consternation - MLB talent evaluation - is an area Gillick's scouting eye would be more than welcome.

 

[WenZink]

Still not sure if Dipoto is evaluating the players within the organization, or if he's there to evaluate how the organization has evaluated the players.
 
If I remember correctly, at the end of the 2011 season, Lucchino and Henry originally approached Francona and wanted to know what his plan was to avoid another collapse.  I'm pretty sure Tito told them to shove it.  I wonder if Ben Cherington has been given a similar directive of what will be done differently going forward, to avoid repeating past errors.  And to assist, Ben has called in an old colleague who has had experience working with Henry & Co. and an understanding of what they'd be looking for.

 

[nvalvo]

Gillick and Dipoto seem potentially complementary to me if the project is to evaluate the different parts of the FO's decision-making.

 

[soxfan121]

Still not sure if Dipoto is evaluating the players within the organization, or if he's there to evaluate how the organization has evaluated the players.
 
If I remember correctly, at the end of the 2011 season, Lucchino and Henry originally approached Francona and wanted to know what his plan was to avoid another collapse.  I'm pretty sure Tito told them to shove it.  I wonder if Ben Cherington has been given a similar directive of what will be done differently going forward, to avoid repeating past errors.  And to assist, Ben has called in an old colleague who has had experience working with Henry & Co. and an understanding of what they'd be looking for.

 
Thanks for this. Summing up: 
 
You're not sure.
You may not remember correctly.
You are pretty sure.
You wonder. 
 
Is your real name Joe Bauers?

 

[WenZink]

 
Thanks for this. Summing up: 
 
You're not sure.
You may not remember correctly.
You are pretty sure.
You wonder. 
 
Is your real name Joe Bauers?

 
I was just posting my thoughts/questions to get responses from members who may have more information than me.
 
I guess you were just posting to show how big an A-hole you are.  Congrats, you did a better job than me.

 

[absintheofmalaise]

As much as I love a good internet fight on an off day, if y'all are going to continue this, please do it in PMs.
 
No one here knows what's going on with regards to Dipoto and what his duties will be. I'm sure that as soon as anyone on the board learns more from the internet it will be posted here.

 

[joe dokes]

Still not sure if Dipoto is evaluating the players within the organization, or if he's there to evaluate how the organization has evaluated the players.
 

 
There's the dichotomy  of players and organization and also the major league vs minor league player evaluation systems.

 

[The Talented Allen Ripley]

As much as I love a good internet fight on an off day, if y'all are going to continue this, please do it in PMs.
 
No one here knows what's going on with regards to Dipoto and what his duties will be. I'm sure that as soon as anyone on the board learns more from the internet it will be posted here.

 
Manchurian GM, Dude, Manchurian GM.
 

 

[soxhop411]

@BNightengale: The #Mariners are expected to offer their GM job to Jerry Dipoto, per @JimBowden_ESPN