Red Sox have hired former Angels GM Jerry Dipoto

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So, instead of looking for a new job this offseason, DiPoto will work on an interim basis with the Red Sox?
 
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Always reassuring to see that "Ace" Reporter, Nick Cafardo, reports it as "DiPoto," as opposed to the correct "Dipoto."  Small quibble, but now that he's for a while, it would be nice to get his name right.
 
Dipoto traded the last year of Howie Kendricks contract for Andrew Heaney, LHP rookie stud from Marlins via Dodgers.
The year before, he traded Mark Trumbo in a 3-team deal, that yielded Hector Santiago and Tyler Skaggs.
Also picked up Astros pitching prospect Nick Tropeano for backup catcher Hank Conger.
 
he brought young pitching to a team that had no farm system and no payroll flexibility.
 
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Nick Cafardo ‏@nickcafardo  1m1 minute ago
Confirmed Peter Gammons report that the Red Sox have hired former Angels GM Jerry DiPoto on an interim basis to help with offseason moves..
 
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Hiring someone with experience to do a top-to-bottom analysis of Baseball Ops to figure out how to fix it seems reasonable.  Whether Dipoto is the right guy for that job, I don't know.  
 
This also could be an audition for him replacing Baird.
 
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Weren't those moves heavily influenced by ownership?
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Hamilton definitely.. one reason why Moreno took the whole Josh-relapse so personally.  Pujols,  not so sure. 
 
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Hamilton definitely.. one reason why Moreno took the whole Josh-relapse so personally.  Pujols,  not so sure. 
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Pujols was said to be signing in the great Marlins sign-a-thon, before Moreno reportedly stepped in
 
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nattysez said:
 
Hiring someone with experience to do a top-to-bottom analysis of Baseball Ops to figure out how to fix it seems reasonable.  Whether Dipoto is the right guy for that job, I don't know.  
 
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Wouldn't this make more sense if LL was staying and Cherington were the one leaving?
 
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RIrooter09 said:
 
Weren't those moves heavily influenced by ownership?
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Meant that to be more snarky and pessimistic than serious, but looking back it looks like you're right.
 
 
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Dipoto traded the last year of Howie Kendricks contract for Andrew Heaney, LHP rookie stud from Marlins via Dodgers.
The year before, he traded Mark Trumbo in a 3-team deal, that yielded Hector Santiago and Tyler Skaggs.
Also picked up Astros pitching prospect Nick Tropeano for backup catcher Hank Conger.
 
he brought young pitching to a team that had no farm system and no payroll flexibility.
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Some other notable moves:
 
Bourjos and Grichuk for Freese and Salas
Kendry Morales for Jason Vargas
Jordan Walden for Tommy Hanson
Chatwood for Iannetta
Kyle Jepsen for Matt Joyce
 
Other than the Freese and perhaps Walden trades, nothing that sticks out as a clear loss.  
 
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Do we know if this was a Sam Kennedy hire?  If so, interesting in the timing with Lucchino.  Maybe they didn't want LL to have any say in who the next guy would be.
 
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Wouldn't this make more sense if LL was staying and Cherington were the one leaving?
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Not really.  Isn't this standard management consulting?  You like Cherington but think the org needs a shake-up.  So you hire an outside consultant to identify the weak spots.  Then those guys get fired "by the consultant" and Cherington doesn't look like he was blaming others in the org for his failures.  
 
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Do we know if this was a Sam Kennedy hire?  If so, interesting in the timing with Lucchino.
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Could just have easily been a Cherington move.  Dipoto was a scout for the Sox until '05 so they definitely have some working relationship.
 
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Could just have easily been a Cherington move.  Dipoto was a scout for the Sox until '05 so they definitely have some working relationship.
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It's is a Cherington hire
 
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Dipoto did a nice job in that Greinke deal, trading flash-in-the-pan Jean Segura and a bunch of other crap to get an elite arm - not his fault the owner directed him to spend elsewhere.  He also traded for David Freese for Peter Bourjos in what has turned out to be a bit of a heist, and effectively traded an overrated Mark Trumbo for Hector Santiago.  The Angels farm system catches a ton of flak but during Dipoto's time but they have developed or brought up guys like Richards, Heaney, Trout and Calhoun during Dipoto's time.
 
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Weren't those moves heavily influenced by ownership?
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So DiPoto is a Yes-Man? He'll fit right into what Werner/Henry are looking for. I'm thinking "interim" means....the job is your if you can show that you can effectively be our administrative puppet. You've got 3 months to not screw it up.
 
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So DiPoto is a Yes-Man? He'll fit right into what Werner/Henry are looking for. I'm thinking "interim" means....the job is your if you can show that you can effectively be our administrative puppet. You've got 3 months to not screw it up.
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? He was not a yes man. He was the GM for a horrible owner who overruled him multiple times.
 
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HomeRunBaker said:
So DiPoto is a Yes-Man? He'll fit right into what Werner/Henry are looking for. I'm thinking "interim" means....the job is your if you can show that you can effectively be our administrative puppet. You've got 3 months to not screw it up.
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Most people do what the owner of the company tells them to, especially when there's only 29 other such positions in the world. You wanted him to what, quit?
 
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HomeRunBaker said:
So DiPoto is a Yes-Man? He'll fit right into what Werner/Henry are looking for. I'm thinking "interim" means....the job is your if you can show that you can effectively be our administrative puppet. You've got 3 months to not screw it up.
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Imagine two conversations:
 
Conversation One
 
Moreno: I want Hamilton. He's our guy. Get it done, Jerry.
Dipoto: You're the boss, Arte, but I really don't think we should do this.
Moreno: Duly noted, Jerry, but I want him.
Dipoto: OK, I'll get right on it.
 
Conversation Two
 
Moreno: I want Hamilton. He's our guy. Get it done, Jerry.
Dipoto: Fabulous idea, Arte! You've outdone yourself this time. I'll get right on it! [Puts down phone] What a putz.
 
Same result in both cases, but one involves a yes man and the other doesn't. You see the difference?
 
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If they do keep him on while retaining Cherington, this will certainly add another layer of fog in our attempts at playing the blame game latter. Score one for Team Ben and a desire to give off the appearance of change...without actually changing much of anything. 
 
I guess we can hope DiPoto was brought in to ultimately be the guy behind the firing of Farrell (for those that want him gone at least).
 
 
 
 
 
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Yea I don't know what the fuck is going on. Jerry Dipoto was hired to be a glorified scout but you wouldn't tell by the posts being made in here.
 
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HomeRunBaker said:
So DiPoto is a Yes-Man? He'll fit right into what Werner/Henry are looking for. I'm thinking "interim" means....the job is your if you can show that you can effectively be our administrative puppet. You've got 3 months to not screw it up.
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He was just fired for giving his boss an ultimatum.
 
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Well, Dipoto is going to be in the mix for a GM spot this offseason from several teams so either he's got an OK to back out of this any time he wants to in order to take one of those if it comes up OR they're promising him something as good as a GM gig to hang around.  But Dipoto is not passing up GM gigs in order to be a glorified consultant for anyone.
 
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Well, Dipoto is going to be in the mix for a GM spot this offseason from several teams so either he's got an OK to back out of this any time he wants to in order to take one of those if it comes up OR they're promising him something as good as a GM gig to hang around.  But Dipoto is not passing up GM gigs in order to be a glorified consultant for anyone.
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I think it's the former. He can leave at any time if someone offers him a GM job.
 
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Rob Bradford ‏@bradfo · 15m15 minutes ago
In case you were still wondering, Red Sox hire DiPoto as consultant to primarily evaluate their own organization (outside eyes) for now

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The one trait Dipoto showed in his 3+ year tenure with the Angels was his willingness to trade young talent, at the peak (mostly) of their value for highly valued pitching -- Santiago was highly regarded, and Skaggs and Heaney were top 40 prospects.  Dipoto was right in most cases,  Trumbo was moved after a 30 HR/100 RBI season,   Peter Bourjos was a terrific defensive player who had shown one year of offensive talent, but was no longer showing a major league bat.  Juan Segura was touted as the next, valuable, multi-position player (ala Zobrist.)  Of all the players moved, only Randall Grichuk, who was considered a "stalled prospect," has gone on to some success beyond expectations.  And even moving Kendrick (in his walk year) for Heaney was a bold gamble.  The 2015 Angels have missed Howie's bat in a lineup that depends too much upon Mike Trout and the soundness of Pujol's aging body.  But Heaney was a great pickup.
 
If Dipoto's "evaluation" looks into the Sox recent tendency to "hold on" to their prospects, (hoping that they will reach their ceilings) then it could be very productive.  That's where Cipoto has distinquished himself.
 
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Most people do what the owner of the company tells them to, especially when there's only 29 other such positions in the world. You wanted him to what, quit?
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I'm saying he's an ideal fit for our regime now that Werner is apparently more involved than ever. This is not a good thing but it is what it is.
 
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Rob Bradford ‏@bradfo · 15m15 minutes ago
In case you were still wondering, Red Sox hire DiPoto as consultant to primarily evaluate their own organization (outside eyes) for now

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This is great news, exactly what was needed. An outside voice to look at why so many decisions have turned out so badly. Get it done during garbage time of this season so that any remedies that need to be made can be done by the start of the offseason, and they can get going on fixing things as soon as possible.
 
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Well, Dipoto is going to be in the mix for a GM spot this offseason from several teams so either he's got an OK to back out of this any time he wants to in order to take one of those if it comes up OR they're promising him something as good as a GM gig to hang around.  But Dipoto is not passing up GM gigs in order to be a glorified consultant for anyone.
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Yeah.

I think it would be odd for the Sox to open up their organization for an outside review from a guy who could be a GM for a competitor next year. Unless the review is superficial. Or if they think there is a good chance they want him as their GM next season.
 
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The Gray Eagle said:
This is great news, exactly what was needed. An outside voice to look at why so many decisions have turned out so badly. Get it done during garbage time of this season so that any remedies that need to be made can be done by the start of the offseason, and they can get going on fixing things as soon as possible.
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I think this is a really good move as well. Hire someone with success across the country doing it his own way to just evaluate and tell you what he thinks of how you run things. An outside perspective is always nice, and it's not like he is in a decision-making position and you are beholden to what he suggests. It's just an outside perspective. I can't imagine why anyone would be upset about this. 
 
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Yeah.

I think it would be odd for the Sox to open up their organization for an outside review from a guy who could be a GM for a competitor next year. Unless the review is superficial. Or if they think there is a good chance they want him as their GM next season.
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If Cherington is making the hire, it would seem odd that he do it as a precursor to Dipoto being hired to replace him.  Unless Cherington is going to be bumped up the chain of command to President of Baseball Ops, and Dipoto is going to be Jed Hoyer to his Theo Epstein.
 
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EvilEmpire said:
Yeah.

I think it would be odd for the Sox to open up their organization for an outside review from a guy who could be a GM for a competitor next year. Unless the review is superficial. Or if they think there is a good chance they want him as their GM next season.
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Is there actually that much "secret stuff" a baseball team would want to hide from other baseball teams? I mean, it stinks if you're trying to pull of a deal and they know how much you value one of their guys, or whatever, but I doesn't seem like there are patents being stolen or something like that. They could just chose to not show him the specifics of their proprietary metrics if they so chose. The Cardinals/Astros thing always seemed to me to be more about the absurdity of it than an truly valuable data being taken.
 
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If Cherington is making the hire, it would seem odd that he do it as a precursor to Dipoto being hired to replace him.  Unless Cherington is going to be bumped up the chain of command to President of Baseball Ops, and Dipoto is going to be Jed Hoyer to his Theo Epstein.
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If BC actually did make the hire, the GM/President course of action you suggest makes good sense. I just don't think the Sox open things up for a guy they expect to move on to a competitor that soon.
 
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