Recruiting Rankings: A Vast Big Ten Conspiracy?
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Way back just loves to come in and bash BC fans. Sadly they're still probably just as good as Michigan recently for him.
Your driving point is recruiting rankings. And yet you claim mine is devoid of analysis. You of all people should know rankings okay a minor part in your cherished team's success. Shocking that you failed to pick that up.WayBackVazquez said:
Edit: You also missed the point of the "see" comment apparently because it doesn't fit your agenda or criteria.
Good job, good effort guys proving once again how thin-skinned and hypersensitive a fan base of an ACC cellar dweller can be.
Good luck against Howard.
Good luck against Howard.
In the 10 years that BC has been in the ACC, they have had just one under .500 ACC record. Michigan has been below .500 B1G in 5 of the last 7. WBV, I wouldn't be calling anyone cellar dwellers.
Then why are you in this thread?
WayBackVazquez said:
Then why are you in this thread?
Dan to Theo to Ben said:
LOL, In the last 5 seasons, BC has had an average of 3 teams finish below them. Very bottom of the middle of the pack dwellers?
Keep banging on Michigan, though. Its struggles will probably last. Also, 5 of last 7 is very Eric Van of you.
At least BC doesn't lose to mighty programs like App St and Toledo. Have you figured out how to consistently beat Purdue yet?
Yes, I have an agenda; getting answers to the straightforward questions posed in posts #10 and #12. Stapleton answered reasonably; everyone else in the thread immediately got butthurt and accused me of trolling. You might want to see how the Michigan thread works. Fans of other teams come in all the time and ask questions like "what do you think about (4* QB recruit) deWeaver de-committing from Michigan," and they get genuine responses.
So you don't want to talk about recruiting. How about the offensive coordinator? What's the plan there? And I know everyone here hates rankings unless they're good, but I saw that espn has just released its preseason FPI rankings. Any thoughts other than angry kneejerk dismissal?
So you don't want to talk about recruiting. How about the offensive coordinator? What's the plan there? And I know everyone here hates rankings unless they're good, but I saw that espn has just released its preseason FPI rankings. Any thoughts other than angry kneejerk dismissal?
I don't think there's anything lazy or disingenuous about asking whether the unbridled enthusiasm about Addazio's recruiting is still present after filling out a class with nary a 4-star recruit even after back-to-back bowl appearances. If you think that's okay because Dazz is forever going to fill out the roster with Florida transfers, then just say so. But a couple of years ago, the giddiness over his recruiting seemed a little odd to me, and I think that's borne itself out as his classes have been very comparable to 2011 and 2012.
Okay, I guess what seemed like unbridled enthusiasm to me read as general optimism to you. Bernie had Dazz getting poached by a "top 10 program" within four years before he had ever coached a down. However you characterize it, my question today was whether the feelings about his recruiting are the same as they were two years ago.
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berniecarbo1 said:
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I'm no BC fan and I am probably the last person to come to any of their defenses, but a Michigan fan bringing up playing FCS opponents is rich.WayBackVazquez said:
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There's no doubt playing the reigning FCS champ is exactly the same as playing Howard, or four FCS (plus Umass) teams in two seasons. And there's also no denying that a single loss to that team trumps 915 wins. Moreover, you seem to not actually understand what's behind these games for teams like Michigan vs. the goal for teams like BC or UConn. Michigan doesn't schedule Appy St. for a win; it's all risk, no reward on the field. The incentive is the almighty $$$, and season ticket holders like me certainly don't like it. But when you sell 110,000 tickets for a home game, you need to maximize these dates, and unfortunately, it's difficult to find FBS opponents who will agree to come unless Michigan agrees to a home-and-home, which, by losing a home date is much more expensive than paying $1 million to bring in an FCS opponent. That calculus is not operative for a BC that rarely sells out its much cheaper tickets in its much smaller stadium.
But if this thread were some kind of Michigan v. BC discussion, all of this might actually be relevant.
By the way, Michigan did beat Florida in a bowl game to end that year, and finished in the AP top 20. How did your team do, RedOctober? Because that's relevant, isn't it?
Also, what did it mean when you "guaranteed" that Michigan wouldn't get Harbaugh? Obviously too much to believe that you'd disappear, but I hoped you'd at least shut your idiot trap for a while.
But if this thread were some kind of Michigan v. BC discussion, all of this might actually be relevant.
By the way, Michigan did beat Florida in a bowl game to end that year, and finished in the AP top 20. How did your team do, RedOctober? Because that's relevant, isn't it?
Also, what did it mean when you "guaranteed" that Michigan wouldn't get Harbaugh? Obviously too much to believe that you'd disappear, but I hoped you'd at least shut your idiot trap for a while.
Who gives a fuck about Michigan? You're a troll that has a self important complex that I very much encounter here in AA and find hilarious. It only gets better that the coach you hire is an epic douche (but a good coach). The BUS is fun. The culture blows.
And answer me where in the recruiting rankings Tyler Murphy is included. You love that ranking. It makes Michigan look awesome while they flounder. So, please humor me while actually addressing my point instead of doing an EV analysis by accusing me of an EV analysis.
And answer me where in the recruiting rankings Tyler Murphy is included. You love that ranking. It makes Michigan look awesome while they flounder. So, please humor me while actually addressing my point instead of doing an EV analysis by accusing me of an EV analysis.
A business school student complaining about being surrounded by self importance is a good one. Kudos.kenneycb said:
I did have Daz going on to bigger and better things within 4 years. It's year 3 upcoming and if they go 8-4 or better I think he will be approached by a better Power 5 program. I agree with 463's points above. He is at best a 9 win coach but could get 10 wins in a year if a lot breaks right.
I have no problem debating you on BC football issues as I think I know what the program is.... And is not. It is a mid level Power 5 program that can play with most teams and if an opponent doesn't prepare for them, BC has a decent chance to win.
It is NOT a marquee 15 program. Never will be. There are three programs in their own division, never mind conference, who are better and are more likely to make the playoffs than BC. As I have said millions of times, BC is to the ACC what Northwestern is to the B1G. I think you know a little about that conference so if you put it in that context you can probatbky relate to what BC really is.
I do believe that BC would be middle of the road in every Power 5 conference as they have no depth, their game day coaching is spotty and their special teams are terrible and contributed to the bowl loss. ( I do think the defenssive scheme also contributed and the fact #21 had an INT and dropped it in OT didn't help).
Look I am not dumb enough to say BC is on a par with Blue. I don't think anyone here would say that. I will say that last year BC could have beaten Mich which isn't saying much for either program if we all honest.
I think you have a real long road to hoe in Ann Arbor though. Is Harbaugh the answer? Maybe, maybe not. In his head coaching carer he has turned programs around but he hasn't gotten over the hump to a championship, unless his title at USD in the Pioneer League counts. To me he is a guy who turns programs around but I'm not convinced he he can get you where you want to go. Michigan's problem is twofold. They are in a league that is considered rightly or wrongly the 4th best Power 5 conference and they have to play arguably the best or second best college football coach every year on the last Saturday in November. To me, Harbaugh has yet to prove he can win the big one when it really counts.
Nice debating with you. Look forward to your comments this fall. And yes no one is happy with the 2015 schedule. No one.
PS-nice job hijacking the thread as I predicted. You're a genius-;-)
I have no problem debating you on BC football issues as I think I know what the program is.... And is not. It is a mid level Power 5 program that can play with most teams and if an opponent doesn't prepare for them, BC has a decent chance to win.
It is NOT a marquee 15 program. Never will be. There are three programs in their own division, never mind conference, who are better and are more likely to make the playoffs than BC. As I have said millions of times, BC is to the ACC what Northwestern is to the B1G. I think you know a little about that conference so if you put it in that context you can probatbky relate to what BC really is.
I do believe that BC would be middle of the road in every Power 5 conference as they have no depth, their game day coaching is spotty and their special teams are terrible and contributed to the bowl loss. ( I do think the defenssive scheme also contributed and the fact #21 had an INT and dropped it in OT didn't help).
Look I am not dumb enough to say BC is on a par with Blue. I don't think anyone here would say that. I will say that last year BC could have beaten Mich which isn't saying much for either program if we all honest.
I think you have a real long road to hoe in Ann Arbor though. Is Harbaugh the answer? Maybe, maybe not. In his head coaching carer he has turned programs around but he hasn't gotten over the hump to a championship, unless his title at USD in the Pioneer League counts. To me he is a guy who turns programs around but I'm not convinced he he can get you where you want to go. Michigan's problem is twofold. They are in a league that is considered rightly or wrongly the 4th best Power 5 conference and they have to play arguably the best or second best college football coach every year on the last Saturday in November. To me, Harbaugh has yet to prove he can win the big one when it really counts.
Nice debating with you. Look forward to your comments this fall. And yes no one is happy with the 2015 schedule. No one.
PS-nice job hijacking the thread as I predicted. You're a genius-;-)
berniecarbo1 said:
Why do you bring up Michigan over and over again? And then accuse me of highjacking. BC's recruiting has nothing to do with Michigan; they don't compete for the same recruits or fans, they haven't played each other for twenty years, and there are no plans to do so in the future. The insatiable need to respond to even the slightest bit of criticism of BC with " BUT YOUR TEAM SUX WORSE" is the sports world equivalent of a "your mother" comeback. It's dumb enough when you do it to a UConn fan or a Pitt fan, but it's absurd when you do it with Michigan. Your insights about why you think Jim Harbaugh might fail despite the fact that he would have been the #1 choice of every NCAA or NFL team with a vacancy are certainly interesting. I suggest you bring them on over to the Michigan thread where we can give them the serious attention they deserve.
Because you did and still are doing it. And I did bring it over there and got no traction. Good luck dude
I think I struck a nerve. Keep it coming brother. Go Buckeyes!
I think I struck a nerve. Keep it coming brother. Go Buckeyes!
berniecarbo1 said:
I know you're not much of a reader bro, but the first mention of Michigan in this thread was made in post #17.
berniecarbo1 said:
Yes! Next SoSH trope unlocked! Tell me about my basement, berniecarbo1. And your life; please let me live vicariously through you.
berniecarbo1 said:
I mean, is it a midlevel power 5 kind of life, or a Marquee 15? I need to know what field we're playing on here.
You'll just have to figur that out won't you? But I'm sure you will cuz tire a Michigan Man! Keep on keepin on my friend. If you get out to LA I would love to meet you for a drink. Then you could see what I'm taking about. Till then, carry on!
You do. Let's meet Tuesday night. I will be more than happy to buy you a drink. Write me offline and we can meet. I think the conversation would be interesting.
So do you have a response to my point or are you going to keep going with the character assassination approach?WayBackVazquez said:
Sorry for trying to assassinate your character by saying it was funny that you were calling me a troll with a "self important complex." What was your point, exactly? That Tyler Murphy was not included in BC's recruiting rankings? Okay. I think I addressed that. But yes, graduate transfers can be good.
WayBackVazquez said:
Yes, I'm aware of that. I owned a #22 hoodie myself back in the 6th grade. I apologize if I incorrectly associated anyone.
Largely that recruiting rankings are stupid ways of evaluating recruitng classes since the stars are entirely arbitrary based on the whims of guys like Mike Farrell, are often oddly bumped up when players commit to a certain school, untouched when certain players commit early and don't take into account transfers. Again, it's an annual discussion around literally the same talking points so it is tiresome when used as a performance metric given the contributions BC has gotten from youth the last two years (especially last) and isn't very useful outside of the very extremes. So, yes, given your past dealings in the BC thread, starting a post with your in depth analysis is a quite shitty way to get actual discourse going.WayBackVazquez said:
And again, it was your BC fan brethren who initially brought up rankings in the other thread. As much as you might like kenneycb to be the be all end all when it comes to recruiting assessments, that's not the way the world works, oh future master of the universe.
I have no idea what the other thread is so I've been working off that ignorance. Not sure why my pointing out the inherent flaws of rankings makes me a be all end all authority figure.
Well, when you say it's a "tiresome" discussion "around literally the same talking points," what were you referring to? Two years ago, many posters in the BC thread (including Stapleton, BoSoxFink, and bernie) brought up rankings as evidence that Dazz was recruiting at a hertofore unseen in this lifetime level. All before I ever referred to them. That you now want to disclaim them entirely is fine for you, but you're not the only poster in these threads. It was a simple question: are you as excited about Addazio's recruiting abilities as you were two years ago? You could have just answered based on whatever metric you were judging him by then and now; or you could have ignored it. But instead you decided to to take the train off the track.
Beyond that, while you are obviously correct that recruiting rankings are not infallible (because LOL MICHIGAN SUXX and TYLER MURPHY!), post hoc analysis repeatedly shows that there's a strong correlation between recruiting rankings and team success. Maybe BC can be a perpetual outlier because of Dazz's enthusiasm and transfer prowess (and maybe Michigan will be too, because SELF IMPORTANCE and URBAN MEYER), but I'm not going to kowtow to your demand that we cease discussing rankings altogether because they are "inherently flawed."
Beyond that, while you are obviously correct that recruiting rankings are not infallible (because LOL MICHIGAN SUXX and TYLER MURPHY!), post hoc analysis repeatedly shows that there's a strong correlation between recruiting rankings and team success. Maybe BC can be a perpetual outlier because of Dazz's enthusiasm and transfer prowess (and maybe Michigan will be too, because SELF IMPORTANCE and URBAN MEYER), but I'm not going to kowtow to your demand that we cease discussing rankings altogether because they are "inherently flawed."