Realignment 2023: Whither the Pac12?

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So Oregon/Washington/Cal/Stanford to Big Ten? Which should lead Zona/ASU/Utah to Big 12.
I think that's right, with the caveat that I've read that the Big Ten doesn't want to be catalyst to destroy the Pac 12, so they'll wait for the Big 12 to pick off Utah, AZ, and AZ St., then swoop in for their take. Sadly, that leaves OR St. and WA St. without a home, which is too bad.
 

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Was it ever discerned if the ACC can even add members without creating a situation where current members can exit? If that isn't possible, not sure Phillips can do anything without exploding the conference. Seems like any ACC action is going to end up in the courts.
 

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Florida State shooting their way out is fascinating. Are they just assuming the SEC will let them in? Are they trying to just destroy the ACC and rebuild it without the Wake Forests of the world? Trying to hang out as an independent until they get that SEC invite?
 

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As a long time college sports fan this is all killing my enjoyment of it all. Who wants any of this nonsense? We’re gonna end up with two leagues that make all the money, a Big 12 that has 32 teams from coast to coast, a bizarro ACC absent it’s anchor schools, and a bunch of dreck.
 

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Arizona Dept of Regents have another meeting tomorrow night regarding legal advice and discussion of U of A and ASU athletics.
Other than Arizona basketball and softball and maybe Arizona State baseball, does anyone outside of Arizona even care?

What are their prospects? Joining the Mountain West to be with NM and SDSU?
 

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Seems like what's going to happen is:

Oregon and Washington to Big 10
Arizona (and maybe Arizona State and Utah) to Big 12
The remaining schools hoover up some MWC schools and take the crappy Apple TV deal
 

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The Big 10 would be better off adding UNC, FSU, Miami, and BC. UVA also welcome. The Big 10 should absolutely be going after at least 1 Florida school for the visibility, opportunity to play in the state, and the corresponding bump to recruiting. I would imagine that U Florida would also be happy to keep the state to themselves in the ES EE SEE. I also think UNC is the most obvious cultural match for the Big 10, and UVA not far behind. I like the BC angle because it's also an academic stalwart, gets them into a new market, and keeps some fun ACC rivalries alive, but I think the religious affiliation is probably a bigger issue than I think (See: Notre Dame[, to hell with]).
 

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As a fan of an also ran ACC school, waiting for the other shield to drop.
This would be the cosmic one, the big 12 survived the Texas/OK move by being aggressive, looks like Pac whatever will collapse because they went passive after their hit. If Clemson/FSU leave, what tack will the ACC take, won't be much left if they want to be aggressive, UConn and who else? USF? I have always thought the Big10 would go after UVA and UNC, if the ACC loses the big 2, other schools will be looking for a lifeline.
 

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From today's ESPN article:

Big Ten presidents also could see more academic synergy in looking east, as Virginia and North Carolina are both coveted by the SEC and Big Ten because they offer new markets, big cities and fertile recruiting grounds.

Somebody throw UVA that lifeline!!
 

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The Big 10 would be better off adding UNC, FSU, Miami, and BC. UVA also welcome. The Big 10 should absolutely be going after at least 1 Florida school for the visibility, opportunity to play in the state, and the corresponding bump to recruiting. I would imagine that U Florida would also be happy to keep the state to themselves in the ES EE SEE. I also think UNC is the most obvious cultural match for the Big 10, and UVA not far behind. I like the BC angle because it's also an academic stalwart, gets them into a new market, and keeps some fun ACC rivalries alive, but I think the religious affiliation is probably a bigger issue than I think (See: Notre Dame[, to hell with]).
BC makes sense for Big 10 for lacrosse and field hockey reasons, too. (same with UNC). And w soccer too for the 4 of 5 non-Miami schools you mentioned.

It would dominate those 3 sports (apologies to Stanford and Syracuse) more than SEC dominates football.
 
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This would be the cosmic one, the big 12 survived the Texas/OK move by being aggressive, looks like Pac whatever will collapse because they went passive after their hit. If Clemson/FSU leave, what tack will the ACC take, won't be much left if they want to be aggressive, UConn and who else? USF? I have always thought the Big10 would go after UVA and UNC, if the ACC loses the big 2, other schools will be looking for a lifeline.
They have banked on the GOR saving them for years and just done nothing

As a Syracuse fan, I strongly believe unless the Big 10 goes to 24 and for some wild reason decides they want us as one, the fall of the ACC means likely a return to a small secondary northeastern non power conference made up of whatever is left regionally. Which would likely mean an aggressive as hell non con schedule just to stay relevant.
 

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BC makes sense for Big 10 for lacrosse and field hockey reasons, too. (same with UNC). And w soccer too for the 4 of 5 non-Miami schools you mentioned.

It would dominate those 3 sports (apologies to Stanford, UCLA and Syracuse) more than SEC dominates football.
No need to apologize to UCLA.
 

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They have banked on the GOR saving them for years and just done nothing

As a Syracuse fan, I strongly believe unless the Big 10 goes to 24 and for some wild reason decides they want us as one, the fall of the ACC means likely a return to a small secondary northeastern non power conference made up of whatever is left regionally. Which would likely mean an aggressive as hell non con schedule just to stay relevant.
How many OOC games would the new big 3 conferences have?
 

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So Oregon and Washington to the Big 10.

Utah, the Arizona schools getting voted into the Big 12 tonight.

I don't get what FSU is doing - they seem very loud for a school that has no receipts.

The "new Pac 10" is SDSU, Wash St, Oregon St ...

That conference might as well disband and join the ACC West.
 

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As a long time college sports fan this is all killing my enjoyment of it all. Who wants any of this nonsense? We’re gonna end up with two leagues that make all the money, a Big 12 that has 32 teams from coast to coast, a bizarro ACC absent it’s anchor schools, and a bunch of dreck.
My thoughts as well. Dan Wolken sums it up pretty nicely here:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/dan-wolken/2023/08/03/college-sports-ruined-failed-leaders-expansion-ncaa-pac-12/70519616007/
 

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I don't get what FSU is doing
Trying to get into the SEC obviously. They need enough schools to dump the ACC at the same time because the buyout is so massive. If you think you are maybe 1-2 schools short, maybe this is an attempt to flip one of the holdouts.
 

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They have banked on the GOR saving them for years and just done nothing

As a Syracuse fan, I strongly believe unless the Big 10 goes to 24 and for some wild reason decides they want us as one, the fall of the ACC means likely a return to a small secondary northeastern non power conference made up of whatever is left regionally. Which would likely mean an aggressive as hell non con schedule just to stay relevant.
Yeah it’s tough to consider (but as an SU alum, I have to) what this all means for the Orange. I’m sure they didn’t envision this when joining the ACC.

Maybe the best move would be to simply go back to the Big East and then play an independent brand of football. It means no shot at a national championship, but, well, we knew that was the case anyway.
 

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Boise State continues to get hosed by realignment.
At this point, staying in the MWC is probably better than a depleted Pac-X invite (if one ever came). They're a better fit for the Big12, but that ain't happening, either.
By and large, football west of the Mississippi is being made irrelevant - for better or worse.
 

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I think Syracuse will be fine? Even if all of the haves are able to split the ACC, that still leaves the have nots -- Duke, Louisville, BC, GT, Wake, Pitt. Plus the schools like Virginia Tech and NC State who think they're going to be able to go along for the ride but can't. Fill that out with UConn or whoever if necessary and still seems like a perfectly respectable if middle class conference.

It's Washington State and Oregon State that should be crying themselves to sleep.
 

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College football is just like, the dumbest fucking thing in the world. There are elements of it that are undisputedly great, but my god does it have so much nonsense.
 

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Those Newark to Eugene flights are gonna be rad, especially following bus rides from New Brunswick

college football is seppukkuing itself, it sucks to see
 

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I wonder if there will be a lot of Olympic programs disbanded at schools. Perhaps more regional leagues for them.
Probably not. Going to have to strategically plan road trips, have travel partners like USC/UCLA, Illinois/NW, etc. share charters, if no charter than commercial trips to major cities will be multiple games long(think Illinois/NW, Rutgers/MD, Penn St/MD, UCLA/USC).
 

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Probably not. Going to have to strategically plan road trips, have travel partners like USC/UCLA, Illinois/NW, etc. share charters, if no charter than commercial trips to major cities will be multiple games long(think Illinois/NW, Rutgers/MD, Penn St/MD, UCLA/USC).
My friend's daughter plays in a non-revenue sport at a D1 school (lacrosse). As I understand it, they do a lot of travel to a location where they play 2-3 games over a couple of days against different opponents (i.e. not just the host). I think the days of the "home and home" series are probably over.
 

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AZ State tried to blow it up but failed. Oregon and Washington going to the Big 10 this afternoon (after the Big 10 call). AZ State will be dragged to the Big 12 with their big brother yet again (ala what happened with the Pac 8 back on the day). Crow looks like an idiot imo.

https://guce.yahoo.com/consent?brandType=nonEu&gcrumb=EFDZphE&done=https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-big-ten-adding-oregon-and-washington-leaving-pac-12-with-uncertain-future-163742534.html

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