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I was recently at a party with a guy who has worked in a couple of front offices and now works for MLB.  While I had heard his name before I didn't recognize him by sight, and we randomly started talking about baseball when his previous and current jobs came up.  He told me some pretty interesting stories and thoughts about players, teams and MLB.  I wouldn't consider anything he talked about confidential (and if it was why would he tell me?), and he didn't ask me to not repeat any of it, but after consultation with a highly respected mod I decided to not mention his name.  Some people may be able to figure out who he is anyway.  
 
Some of this stuff may be common knowledge to some people, or at least rumored.  Some may be obvious.  Some you may not give a shit about.  Everything is paraphrased to the best of my memory's ability.  He was a really nice guy and he was happy to talk about pretty much anything and answer any questions.  For some reason another guy at the party only wanted to talk to him about Sterling and the Clippers, so the baseball talk was somewhat limited.
 
Anyway I just figured I'd post some of it for anyone who might be interested.
 
On current and former Sox players:
-When Papelbon was signed he was a very humble and polite kid.  Everything was yes sir, no sir.  He's a totally different person now.
-When Ellsbury was signed he was very nervous and unsure of himself.  He questioned whether he'd make it as a major leaguer.  Now he usually won't even stop to talk to a fan or sign an autograph.
-Lester is a really smart guy, and we talked about whether he'll end up staying in Boston.  He agreed that it would be nuts for him to turn down a reasonable extension right now (I had mentioned 100m-120m but he didn't opine on what he thinks a fair number would be) but that most fans don't realize how much pressure the agents and PA put on players to take the highest offer.
-Ortiz is very into how much respect he gets.  It's more important than money.
-Pedroia doesn't give a shit about money.
-When AJP got thrown out of a game by the home plate ump a few weeks ago, despite the fact that he acted as if he didn't saying anything, what he actually said was, give me a new ball and try to make it one you can actually see this time.  It made me dislike AJP even more.
 
On Yankee players:
-When ARod was traded to NY, and he spoke to Jeter, Jeter was basically welcoming him to the team. ARod responded, yeah too bad you'll have to move to 3B now.  I assumed ARod was joking around, but according to this guy ARod wasn't kidding at all and he assumed that Jeter would move.  Since then Jeter hasn't dealt with him.  
-You can sit in a room all day with ARod and he'll never go off script.
-Jeter would've retired last year if he was able to come back from the injury.
-This year Jeter is wearing down.  He may not be injured but he's hurting.
-Sabathia is a great guy who's always willing to give his time to people.  When he was drafted he had never seen or heard of a credit card.
-Of all of the players for them to draw a line in the sand and not resign, Cano was a very odd choice, especially considering who they did sign this year.
-Cano is very talented, and basically does what he needs to but doesn't put in extra time or effort.  He relies on his natural ability, which still makes him a great player.  But he never watches video, takes extra BP, etc., which is too bad.
 
On the Workman/Price/Ortiz/Carp incident:
-You have to suspend Workman.  He threw at his head.
-Price didn't throw at Carp intentionally and the Sox know this.
-HItting a batter after a warning is given only results in ejection about 30% of the time so this incident wasn't unique at all.
-MLB was amused that the Sox players were screaming for Price to be suspended, since they defended similar shit pulled by Pedro for 10 years.
-In the end, he sort of agreed that giving Price maybe 5 games wouldn't have been a horrible idea, given the incident and the history, plus his comments after the game.
 
On instant replay:
-There are basically two reasons they do it at MLB headquarters instead of having a guy in the booth.  First, they'd need 18 more very qualified umps and they don't have enough.  Second, asking umps to overturn their buddy's call doesn't work too well so they wanted non-umps doing the reviews.
-The reason for the challenge system is to limit the number of reviews.  There are so many close calls in baseball and you can't review all of them.  So letting the managers be part of it and making them really think about using the challenge helps minimize the reviews.
-MLB did a study where they showed the same close play to a group of umps, a group of baseball fans, and a group of non-fans.  One group said definitely out, one group said definitely safe, and one group was mixed.  He didn't really expand on how this helped MLB design the system.
 
That's all I can remember for now.  If I think of any other comments I'll add them.
 

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I'm not sure why the Pierzynski story is so bad.  Sounds like a decent line and if he was saying it in a way that the fans would have no perception that the ump was being shown up then it's not outrageous that he be surprised that he got thrown out for it. 
 

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Thanks for sharing---stuff like this is one of my favorite things about SoSH and I always appreciate when people take the time to share such tidbits.
 
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glennhoffmania said:
-MLB was amused that the Sox players were screaming for Price to be suspended, since they defended similar shit pulled by Pedro for 10 years.
 
 
confirms my total lack of faith in the objectivity of the guys at MLB making these decisions.  Not only does Pedro have nothing to do with this situation, there's exactly one player on the Sox who was around for even part of Pedro's heyday...so not only is the 'amusement' irrelevant, it's wrong too.   Someone can certainly say 'so what' if they thought the above; I think it speaks to the problem MLB has both substantively and credibility wise with Torre's office at this point.
 
I am sure others will focus on the Sox tidbits....
 

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PedroKsBambino said:
Thanks for sharing---stuff like this is one of my favorite things about SoSH and I always appreciate when people take the time to share such tidbits.
 
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confirms my total lack of faith in the objectivity of the guys at MLB making these decisions.  Not only does Pedro have nothing to do with this situation, there's exactly one player on the Sox who was around for even part of Pedro's heyday...so not only is the 'amusement' irrelevant, it's wrong too.   Someone can certainly say 'so what' if they thought the above; I think it speaks to the problem MLB has both substantively and credibility wise with Torre's office at this point.
 
I am sure others will focus on the Sox tidbits....
Had the exact same thought stick out, guess Torre still salty over those Pedro HBPs
 

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glennhoffmania said:
-When AJP got thrown out of a game by the home plate ump a few weeks ago, despite the fact that he acted as if he didn't saying anything, what he actually said was, give me a new ball and try to make it one you can actually see this time.  It made me dislike AJP even more.
 
I'm with you on this one. AJP can't be helping his team win after he's ejected.
 
Unless he was going to GIDP on the first pitch of his next AB, in which case, thanks for ticking the umpire off that time, AJ.
 

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Of all the player tidbits, the one that surprises me the most is the Ellsbury one. He was thought of here in Oregon as unaffected by fame and money.
 

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Did he say anything about one day possibly having balls/strikes called by something akin to Pitch F/X?
 
The fact that balls/strikes seems to be the one thing MLB won't touch pisses me off - and lessens my enjoyment of the game somewhat - since I think wrong calls on pitches have far more effect on a game's outcome than a play or two on the bases.
 
(I also liked the AJP line.)
 

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PedroKsBambino said:
Thanks for sharing---stuff like this is one of my favorite things about SoSH and I always appreciate when people take the time to share such tidbits.
 
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confirms my total lack of faith in the objectivity of the guys at MLB making these decisions.  Not only does Pedro have nothing to do with this situation, there's exactly one player on the Sox who was around for even part of Pedro's heyday...so not only is the 'amusement' irrelevant, it's wrong too.   Someone can certainly say 'so what' if they thought the above; I think it speaks to the problem MLB has both substantively and credibility wise with Torre's office at this point.
 
I am sure others will focus on the Sox tidbits....
I could be wrong ... I took it less literally. I took it as, it was amusing, in an ironic/historic sense, because it was the same organization, not that the exact same individual people complaining about Price were also previously defending Pedro.
 

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E5 Yaz said:
Of all the player tidbits, the one that surprises me the most is the Ellsbury one. He was thought of here in Oregon as unaffected by fame and money.
First, thanks GHoff.  Really interesting stuff. 
 
As to Ellsbury, based on comments from a friend who works for the Sox and another who is a NY sportswriter, my view is that it's much less about him being a "big time" guy than him being generally a little bit awkward and naturally aloof.  What I've heard about Ells is that he was always a little bit apart from the rest of the team (or most of it)...not because he was full of himself but because he did not naturally fit in.  Also, that he was insecure at first doesn't force the conclusion that not dealing with fans now is because he's let his success go to his head.
 
To be clear, my agenda is not to defend Ellsbury.  He's a Yankee, after all.  I just think that it's more about his inherent shyness etc. than the other stuff.  
 

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Yeah I'm in the camp that likes AJP's comment. Sure, he's an asshole, but he's our asshole.
 
Ditto.
 
People can dislike AJP for lots of reasons, but to think that C's don't frequently have running dialogues with umpires that bump up against the line is naive.  Just a few games ago, David Ross was screaming at the home plate ump while he was batting about the strike zone, and the conversation continued in a fashion obvious to the TV cameras when Ross moved behind the plate as well.
 
AJP's comment is pretty hilarious in that context.
 

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PedroKsBambino said:
 
Thanks for sharing---stuff like this is one of my favorite things about SoSH and I always appreciate when people take the time to share such tidbits.
 
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confirms my total lack of faith in the objectivity of the guys at MLB making these decisions.  Not only does Pedro have nothing to do with this situation, there's exactly one player on the Sox who was around for even part of Pedro's heyday...so not only is the 'amusement' irrelevant, it's wrong too.   Someone can certainly say 'so what' if they thought the above; I think it speaks to the problem MLB has both substantively and credibility wise with Torre's office at this point.
 
I am sure others will focus on the Sox tidbits....
 
 
Well reading between the lines, because he didn't say anything directly, one may conclude that the particular player you're referring to was quite vocal this time around.  But my main take away from that story was closer to Buffalo's interpretation- more that they noted the irony.
 

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Did he say anything about one day possibly having balls/strikes called by something akin to Pitch F/X?
 
The fact that balls/strikes seems to be the one thing MLB won't touch pisses me off - and lessens my enjoyment of the game somewhat - since I think wrong calls on pitches have far more effect on a game's outcome than a play or two on the bases.
 
(I also liked the AJP line.)
 
Ya know, I didn't ask about this and I wish I had.  Again reading between the lines my guess is they aren't considering it.  I think there are two reasons.  First, the general feeling seems to be that the umps do a really good job so such a drastic change isn't needed. 
 
Second, it relates more to the replay ump in the booth situation.  I got the impression that MLB is very aware/sensitive/concerned about the umps.  What I mean is, they're walking a fine line between changing things to improve the game and disrespecting the umps by looking over their shoulder.  I was honestly surprised that the reason for not having a guy in the booth is so that an ump doesn't have to overturn his fellow ump.  I said to him, but everyone on the field is human and will make mistakes, so can't the umps accept that and put their feelings aside so that calls are corrected when necessary?  That argument didn't seem to fly.  So I'd think that automating balls and strikes but would a bigger slap in the face to the umps that MLB wouldn't suggest.  Basically the discussion reaffirmed my belief that the umps are pretty high maintenance and need to be coddled to some extent to keep the peace.
 

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Re: the AJP comment, I thought it was funny also.  But I still don't like the guy so doing something that weakens the team is just another reason to get pissed at him.  Maybe if Ross says that nothing happens but because AJP has a shitty reputation he gets tossed.  Who knows.
 

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The Pedro stuff makes sense depending on who defended him? Tito? Theo? JWH? If it was the owner, then it does make sense they would comment on it, but it also should not be part of the decision. 
 

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Tampa Bay hasn't exactly been metronomes of consistency over the years when it comes to their self-serving interpretations of the unwritten rules of baseball, so it ticks me off that the MLB office would be making fun of the Red Sox in this case. And the MLB office has been inconsistent as well. Lester got a five game suspension for hitting Carl Crawford with a curveball in 2008 after the Shields/Crisp fight but Price gets nothing.
 

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TheoShmeo said:
First, thanks GHoff.  Really interesting stuff. 
 
As to Ellsbury, based on comments from a friend who works for the Sox and another who is a NY sportswriter, my view is that it's much less about him being a "big time" guy than him being generally a little bit awkward and naturally aloof.  What I've heard about Ells is that he was always a little bit apart from the rest of the team (or most of it)...not because he was full of himself but because he did not naturally fit in.  Also, that he was insecure at first doesn't force the conclusion that not dealing with fans now is because he's let his success go to his head.
 
To be clear, my agenda is not to defend Ellsbury.  He's a Yankee, after all.  I just think that it's more about his inherent shyness etc. than the other stuff.  
 
Okay, thanks. This makes more sense given the perception of his personality back here
 

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Ellsbury strikes me as the kind of guy that would walk into a crowded bar in Boston and wonder why everybody was staring at him.
 

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Tampa Bay hasn't exactly been metronomes of consistency over the years when it comes to their self-serving interpretations of the unwritten rules of baseball, so it ticks me off that the MLB office would be making fun of the Red Sox in this case. And the MLB office has been inconsistent as well. Lester got a five game suspension for hitting Carl Crawford with a curveball in 2008 after the Shields/Crisp fight but Price gets nothing.
 
Just to clarify, he didn't suggest that any history with Pedro, Theo or ownership had anything to do with the decision re: Price and Workman.  He mentioned it as a side note.  So I don't want to give the impression that there was some big meeting in which they discussed Pedro in the context of the Price game.  The take away I got was that Workman threw at a guy's head after warnings were given so a suspension was pretty automatic; and Price didn't get suspended because they didn't think he intentionally threw at Carp.  But like I said, when I pressed him about Price's subsequent comments he didn't really push back, however it certainly wasn't an admission of a screw up or anything like that either.
 
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Ellsbury strikes me as the kind of guy that would walk into a crowded bar in Boston and wonder why everybody was staring at him.
 
I think this is more accurate.  He didn't say Ellsbury was an asshole or had an ego problem now (although maybe he is anyway, I don't know).  I think it was more like, when he was drafted he was very nervous and uncomfortable and now he doesn't really give a shit.  So I'd say aloof is more accurate than being an ass.
 
Again, all of these comments were part of a casual conversation that I'm repeating from memory, so I could be misinterpreting some of the nuance and I don't mean to put words in his mouth.
 

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E5 Yaz said:
Of all the player tidbits, the one that surprises me the most is the Ellsbury one. He was thought of here in Oregon as unaffected by fame and money.
Met and talked with him a few times in a relaxed environment.  Found him to be a bit shy/reserved but a nice guy.  Some guys just don't like fame and the trappings that it comes with.
 

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No question that someone could read comments here (or other Sox-focused forums) and find a level of support for Pedro that is very different than that for Price.   I think there's also (especially here) a bunch of people who thought Pedro would do better to skip the baloney and who view Price and the Rays the same way.
 
None of this does anything to change my concern level about Torre's office but that's a different question....
 

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Met and talked with him a few times in a relaxed environment.  Found him to be a bit shy/reserved but a nice guy.  Some guys just don't like fame and the trappings that it comes with.
 
It's a good thing that he had an agent like Scott Boras to look out for him last winter and make sure he considered more than just money when he was a free agent.  It would have sucked for Ellsbury to chase the big bucks only and end up signing in a place that could get really ugly if he starts to underperform, right?
 

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Papelbon's Poutine said:
What am I missing that they would need 18 more umps? Or was that just a typo and you meant 15?
 
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It looks like there are actually 19 crews. (Umpires get vacation time.)
 
I heard that ump bit on Buster Olney's podcast during ST and I just don't buy it.
 
The only way this is true is if: 1) there aren't ~20 guys ready to be on the MLB field, and 2) that there aren't at least a dozen current guys who are no longer capable of being umps on-field. There are a few umps in spitting distance of retirement for whom being 5th ump would be the perfect way to spend the last couple years. And I cannot believe there aren't at least 20 guys in AAA ready to be MLB umps.
 
There may be some legitimate (if not good) reasons to not have a replay ump in every ballpark, but this doesn't sound right to me.
 

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I heard that ump bit on Buster Olney's podcast during ST and I just don't buy it.
 
The only way this is true is if: 1) there aren't ~20 guys ready to be on the MLB field, and 2) that there aren't at least a dozen current guys who are no longer capable of being umps on-field. There are a few umps in spitting distance of retirement for whom being 5th ump would be the perfect way to spend the last couple years. And I cannot believe there aren't at least 20 guys in AAA ready to be MLB umps.
 
There may be some legitimate (if not good) reasons to not have a replay ump in every ballpark, but this doesn't sound right to me.
 
Agreed on the reasoning. The NHL already have and the NBA are going to a centralized replay system as well, in Toronto and Secaucus respectively. One of the major reasons is a large digital area can take in a process every possible feed and angle and give the best representation of the play (this is definitely the reason the NBA is going to it). In arena, connections are often not great and just getting the replay started can take a lot of time (happens all the time in the NFL). A centralized system is much better, but not based on the feelings of the officials on the field of play.  
 

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Agreed on the reasoning. The NHL already have and the NBA are going to a centralized replay system as well, in Toronto and Secaucus respectively. One of the major reasons is a large digital area can take in a process every possible feed and angle and give the best representation of the play (this is definitely the reason the NBA is going to it). In arena, connections are often not great and just getting the replay started can take a lot of time (happens all the time in the NFL). A centralized system is much better, but not based on the feelings of the officials on the field of play.  
 
This... Makes no sense. In fact, I think you read my post backwards.
 
A fundamental rule of technology life is that distance = time. There's no way around this. If you're talking about processing massive amounts of data - transmitting back to NYC is the least efficient way to do it. But, since transmission times are increasingly trivial, let's put that aside and think more simply.
 
Getting a reliable fat pipe from San Diego to New York is way more expensive than putting a fat pipe from the on-site control room to another onsite control room a few meters away. Waiting for a single crew to make decisions on multiple games they haven't been watching is going to be less effective than a single crew that has been watching.
 
Don't forget, a shared long pipe (with many inputs and outputs) is going to constantly have variable load, which is also problematic. This wouldn't happen with a local network. If they invest in a dedicated fat pipe, we're talking HUGE investment, which is impractical.
 
Basically, unless you want fully-centralized umpiring (ie, everything from New York), a central replay command center is really really really really dumb.
 

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This... Makes no sense. In fact, I think you read my post backwards.
 
A fundamental rule of technology life is that distance = time. There's no way around this. If you're talking about processing massive amounts of data - transmitting back to NYC is the least efficient way to do it. But, since transmission times are increasingly trivial, let's put that aside and think more simply.
 
Getting a reliable fat pipe from San Diego to New York is way more expensive than putting a fat pipe from the on-site control room to another onsite control room a few meters away. Waiting for a single crew to make decisions on multiple games they haven't been watching is going to be less effective than a single crew that has been watching.
 
Don't forget, a shared long pipe (with many inputs and outputs) is going to constantly have variable load, which is also problematic. This wouldn't happen with a local network. If they invest in a dedicated fat pipe, we're talking HUGE investment, which is impractical.
 
Basically, unless you want fully-centralized umpiring (ie, everything from New York), a central replay command center is really really really really dumb.
You say this with the thinking that arenas have the area or capacity to do what you purpose. They, in general, do not. Also, what you propose is 30 (or more) control centers, versus one. Also something that costs a lot more than the "big pipe" back to a central location. All NBA Arenas already do have that "big pipe" and are upgrading to an even bigger one. It was an investment made years ago. But the pipe is the only thing they need, not a complete control center manned and monitored on site. And, as you mention, the difference in transmission time is very small.
 
The centralized system with a "big pipe" is exactly the place to get replays faster and get all the angles and at the highest definition (unless you could actually build a localized one in each venue, which is not practical and again doesn't gain you much). The current NFL and NBA system do not have all available angles and load times into those monitors (especially in the NFL) takes much longer then the transmission back to a centralized system, of which much of the infrastructure is already in place. It's such a dumb idea that three of four leagues will be centralized by next season. And the NFL is already investigating this option.
 
On a side note the "big pipe" is also used for content distribution around the world, so it has many uses helping with overall cost.
 

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Aside from the cost, efficiency, logic, or whatever other argument can be made, at some point the communications system between the portable crap on the field and the control center in NY is going to fail.  And then chaos will ensue. 
 
Also why the need for a major control center in a stadium?  You just need a guy sitting in front of a couple of monitors somewhere in the building.  That seems pretty simple and cost-effective to me.
 

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Aside from the cost, efficiency, logic, or whatever other argument can be made, at some point the communications system between the portable crap on the field and the control center in NY is going to fail.  And then chaos will ensue. 
 
Also why the need for a major control center in a stadium?  You just need a guy sitting in front of a couple of monitors somewhere in the building.  That seems pretty simple and cost-effective to me.
For your first comment, the centralized system never relies on portable crap on field. It's plugged directly into all the broadcast feeds being distributed everywhere, so unless the entire broadcast, every broadcast, goes down, the centralized system will have the information. ANd if the entire broadcast goes down, it doesn't matter what your replay system is, it won't work.
 
To your second point, it's precisely what I just laid out. Unless you can pipe in every angle in the highest definition (which takes a command center) you'll be stuck with the guy in the room not having the angle that shows Pedroia kept his glove on the runner who came off second base.
 

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A friend was at the 2007 Colorado WS game when Ells made that great play in the RF corner.   A phot was taken of it, and my friend was in the shot.   Later, as part of someone having the winning bid for something in the Schilling ALS fundraiser, we got a tour from Schilling of the Sox clubhouse and a chance to meet some players.   My friend brought the photo, hoping to see Ellsbury and see if he'd sign it.   Ells was there, but no time to say hello.   My friend gave the photo to someone from the Sox, who said she'd work on getting him to sign the photo and return it.
 
A few months later, the photo was returned, unsigned.   Who knows the background of the situation, if Ellsbury was ever approached, etc, but this has lessened my view of him,  and this assessment from above doesn't surprise me.
 

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For your first comment, the centralized system never relies on portable crap on field. It's plugged directly into all the broadcast feeds being distributed everywhere, so unless the entire broadcast, every broadcast, goes down, the centralized system will have the information. ANd if the entire broadcast goes down, it doesn't matter what your replay system is, it won't work.
 
To your second point, it's precisely what I just laid out. Unless you can pipe in every angle in the highest definition (which takes a command center) you'll be stuck with the guy in the room not having the angle that shows Pedroia kept his glove on the runner who came off second base.
 
Sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about.  I was talking about the ability to speak with the umpires on the field.  Are you saying that unless every entire broadcast goes down there could never be a problem with the phones used to talk to the guys back in NY?
 
For your second point, again I have no idea what you're talking about.  What I've said from the beginning is you just need to have a guy with access to a monitor and the shots from the different cameras showing the replays.  If he thinks there was a blown call he buzzes down.  Why does this require a whole command center?  Why is the NFL basically able to do it this way without any issues?
 

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Sorry but I have no idea what you're talking about.  I was talking about the ability to speak with the umpires on the field.  Are you saying that unless every entire broadcast goes down there could never be a problem with the phones used to talk to the guys back in NY?
 
For your second point, again I have no idea what you're talking about.  What I've said from the beginning is you just need to have a guy with access to a monitor and the shots from the different cameras showing the replays.  If he thinks there was a blown call he buzzes down.  Why does this require a whole command center?  Why is the NFL basically able to do it this way without any issues?
 
My apologies, I thought you meant getting the actual video to central control room (via the pipe that Zenter and I were discussing). No matter where you are, in-stadium or not, communication with the on-field officials is an issue, but one we haven't seen much from any of the leagues that already do it.
 
The NFL system allows for only SOME available replays to make it to the ref under the hood (same as NBA for ref's on sideline). It also takes as long as a couple minutes just to get the video ready to play, a big inefficiency. They often don't have some of the replays you're seeing on your couch. It was a great system initially that is now outdated and the NFL is exploring and will probably get a centralized system within a year or so. The owners have already approved the start of it (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10670707/nfl-owners-allow-centralized-system-aid-instant-replay).
 
It's about the highest definition video available and every possible angle to make sure the call is right. The centralized command center is the easiest and best way for a league to do this. Hopefully I've explained myself better.
 

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Amusing: That stadiums and arenas can't find a closet-sized space for umps/refs to have a replay command center. Command center is a loose term - it doesn't need to be a broadcast control room.
 
Funny: That (long distance) remote connections aren't fault-sensitive.
 
Hilarious: That 30 big pipes back to the home office are somehow cheaper (over the lifetime). This one's a doozy...
 
Let's back-of-envelope it - a big pipe ($100 ethernet spool) from one room to another, a good $3K PC, and 3-4 $200 monitors. Including software costs, let's call that $7K. And let's double it, just for fun. And then double it again for a redundant backup. And multiple by 30. That $840K, one time for a full deployment. I have no doubt that always-on reliable big pipe back to New York from 30 sites is much more than that in a given season. Possibly orders of magnitude so. Since upkeep will likely be cheaper, too, the balance only further weighs in favor of local control.
 
The reason I ignore the broadcast feed pipes is that a failure of said feeds (which at least happens a handful of times per season on NESN alone) does not affect the on-field product. It's a hiccup, they apologize, they move on. If the connection to the replay room in New York is down (or they don't have all the angles, which has already happened), it directly affects the on-field product.
 

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zenter said:
Amusing: That stadiums and arenas can't find a closet-sized space for umps/refs to have a replay command center. Command center is a loose term - it doesn't need to be a broadcast control room.
 
Funny: That (long distance) remote connections aren't fault-sensitive.
 
Hilarious: That 30 big pipes back to the home office are somehow cheaper (over the lifetime). This one's a doozy...
 
Let's back-of-envelope it - a big pipe ($100 ethernet spool) from one room to another, a good $3K PC, and 3-4 $200 monitors. Including software costs, let's call that $7K. And let's double it, just for fun. And then double it again for a redundant backup. And multiple by 30. That $840K, one time for a full deployment. I have no doubt that always-on reliable big pipe back to New York from 30 sites is much more than that in a given season. Possibly orders of magnitude so. Since upkeep will likely be cheaper, too, the balance only further weighs in favor of local control.
 
The reason I ignore the broadcast feed pipes is that a failure of said feeds (which at least happens a handful of times per season on NESN alone) does not affect the on-field product. It's a hiccup, they apologize, they move on. If the connection to the replay room in New York is down (or they don't have all the angles, which has already happened), it directly affects the on-field product.
I understand your points, sent you a PM as to not further derail the thread.
 

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Ellsbury strikes me as the kind of guy that would walk into a crowded bar in Boston and wonder why everybody was staring at him.
Remember when Adrian Gonzalez ran into him at a restaurant and played a joke on him by, I dunno, saying he was sorry to see him go, implying Ells was in the deal and headed to the Padres? That's some weird, unfunny shit and is one of those red flags I wish people saw sooner.
 

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-When AJP got thrown out of a game by the home plate ump a few weeks ago, despite the fact that he acted as if he didn't saying anything, what he actually said was, give me a new ball and try to make it one you can actually see this time.  It made me dislike AJP even more.
 
 
Was this reported anywhere else? Because we've got a nice little article about it on MLB.com . Article was written yesterday and linked from MLB reporter Anthony Castrovince's twitter.  Do we have a SOSH lurker on our hands? 
 

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As far as I know it wasn't reported anywhere.  That's pretty shitty if the writer took it from here and used it.  Now that it seems someone may be ripping stuff off from here I'd rather not say how MLB learned of the quote.
 

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That was discussed with a mod before I started it and we agreed it should go on the main board but I would leave out the guy's name.  Maybe moving to P&G would make more sense.
 

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Maybe it was cribbed from here, but if I'm reading the OP correctly this dude spilled all this to glennhoffmania within a couple hours of meeting him. It's not hard to imagine that he might have said something to others, too - maybe even including media members.
 
EDIT: additionally, this guy obviously isn't the ump or AJP, so the story of what was said there has obviously spread from the original participants.
 

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Maybe it was cribbed from here, but if I'm reading the OP correctly this dude spilled all this to glennhoffmania within a couple hours of meeting him. It's not hard to imagine that he might have said something to others, too - maybe even including media members.
 
No doubt.  I'm not claiming that I had some exclusive on the information.  But the incident happened a few weeks ago and nothing was reported on it, and then a few days after this thread pops up the quote is written about.  I don't want MLB getting a call asking about stuff posted here.  It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to put it together since the guy I met comes on here sometimes.
 

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A friend was at the 2007 Colorado WS game when Ells made that great play in the RF corner.   A phot was taken of it, and my friend was in the shot.   Later, as part of someone having the winning bid for something in the Schilling ALS fundraiser, we got a tour from Schilling of the Sox clubhouse and a chance to meet some players.   My friend brought the photo, hoping to see Ellsbury and see if he'd sign it.   Ells was there, but no time to say hello.   My friend gave the photo to someone from the Sox, who said she'd work on getting him to sign the photo and return it.
 
A few months later, the photo was returned, unsigned.   Who knows the background of the situation, if Ellsbury was ever approached, etc, but this has lessened my view of him,  and this assessment from above doesn't surprise me.
 
Man, Ellsbury is a jerk for possibly never being approached to sign a photo. Makes sense. 
 

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That was discussed with a mod before I started it and we agreed it should go on the main board but I would leave out the guy's name.  Maybe moving to P&G would make more sense.
 
If there is any suspicion that someone cribbed it, methinks it should be moved as well. It's pretty obvious to me, as it would be to most people who follow the game with more than a passing interest, who the exec is.