R4/103 Layden Robinson OG Texas A&M
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The entire offensive coaching staff wasn;t? It's not like every guard is just plug and play in every offense.
As an example... Robinson is like 25-30 lbs lighter than Mafi, taller wiht longer arms.
Mafit was an outlier, the rest of the guard/centers the Patriots have are lighter. Bill used to use one heavy and 1 light when he could, the new staff may want lighter guards on both sides.
New OL coach. I mean, I’m pretty sure they know who’s on roster and are drafting an OG anyway, so…
Not here last year in that they had a say in the guys that are here from last year and want to keep them, or that they were here last year, saw them practice, study, work out and play and know that some of them are not good enough? It could really cut both ways, but I’d probably go with the latter.
Fair point.
Either way, not a great reflection on the 2023 draft, but that’s now history.
Not thrilled with this one. Seems like a value pick, and not a reach, so that's good - but seems like we have a lot of interior lineman. Would have liked to see a TE project.
If nothing else those dimensions: 6’4 315 34.5” arms seem more tackle than guard.
I will be zero percent surprised if David Andrews announces his retirement between now and the end of camp.
I don't htink the interior line has THAT many bodies....
COle Strange (may not be ready for week 1)
David Andrews (May not be back, age/injury concerns)
Sidey Sow
That's your hypothetical starters...
Jake Andrews is you backup C but lacks experience
Antoni Mafi (but he may no longer be a scheme fit.... also he was really bad last year)
Then they have a vet on a glorified camp deal...
Nick Leverett... UDFA, had 1 year he played some for Tampa but played 0% of snaps last year
That's some seriously low depth and you;d have to start moving OTs back inside in you get 1 or 2 injuries.
With the two guys this year, they now have a bit of depth at both positions.
COle Strange (may not be ready for week 1)
David Andrews (May not be back, age/injury concerns)
Sidey Sow
That's your hypothetical starters...
Jake Andrews is you backup C but lacks experience
Antoni Mafi (but he may no longer be a scheme fit.... also he was really bad last year)
Then they have a vet on a glorified camp deal...
Nick Leverett... UDFA, had 1 year he played some for Tampa but played 0% of snaps last year
That's some seriously low depth and you;d have to start moving OTs back inside in you get 1 or 2 injuries.
With the two guys this year, they now have a bit of depth at both positions.
I could see them moving Strange to center when Andrews hangs it up. Then Sow and Robinson at the guards, with Onwenu at RT and Okorafor (eventually Wallace) at LT.
And also would rather them have drafted Christian Mahogany in round 6 over Milton.
And also would rather them have drafted Christian Mahogany in round 6 over Milton.
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I can't remember where I heard it over the last couple days, but someone mentioned the possibility of the team trying him at OT as well as IOL.
I think they'll likely be in the market for an OT at the top of next year's draft. (Probably in addition to Edge and WR.) This year is about getting some new guys in the door, hopefully something hits, but they'll still need a top end investment at some point soon. Owenu can always kick back inside too.
Doubtful, I think. He's not considered a very good athlete. Could have enough versatility to play center though, which might be important. They are very convinced Wallace can move to LT, so it's likely Okorafor to start the season, with Wallace backing him up, and a depth signing.
Brandon Thorn made part of his weekly O-line breakdown free, happened to pick Robinson
View: https://twitter.com/BrandonThornNFL/status/1836455656599228556
View: https://twitter.com/BrandonThornNFL/status/1836455656599228556
The issue with Robinson is he has allowed the most pressures of any interior lineman in the NFL through two weeks. He has some nice highlights but way too many lowlights. To me if they had anyone better I’d want to bench him. I don’t get Thorn’s takes sometimes.
At this point I'd just plug in Onwenu at RG and Wallace at RT and go from there. Let Robinson fight it out for the LG starting spot with Jordan and then Sow/Strange when they're healthy. Onwenu is an average at best RT (a level I believe Wallace could potentially approach even as a rookie), but light years better than Robinson at RG.
Who's playing LT? Or shall they leave it vacant and roll right? Not the worst idea!
I know he's playing tonight, but is Vederian Lowe out for an extended period of time? I wouldn't move the OL around for a Thursday game anyway, just talking of something I'd like to see happen.
Robinson's limitations on pass protection seem like something that will improve over the course of the season with more reps.
His scouting report out of college was that he was good at attacking and not good at building a wall. Mentions that he doesn't read and respond well to stunts and twists, doesn't recover well to being thrown off balance, etc. That's not to say that he won't improve on these things with NFL coaching, and he has plenty of length and size to do it, but his explosiveness and athleticism is a limiting factor for now. His pass blocking was predicted to lag behind his run blocking.
That Wallace is playing tonight is why you don't make the move. They have 2 tackles without Onwenu, and guys get hurt both week to week and in games. One thing we've seen pretty consistently is that time together in the same role is one of the best things for a line. Robinson is a rookie, he should see some improvement as time passes, and Onwenu should settle some at RT.
Now, next season.... I would guess the hope is they get a stud rookie and he and Wallace handle the tackles, with Lowe and others as depth, which would allow Onwenu to slide inside and Sow/Robinson/Strange? fighting it out for LG (Strange might end up at C if Andrews hangs it up).