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What is Romeo Langford's most likely career outcome?


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BringBackMo

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His name is Romeo Langford and he is among the most polarizing athletes on SOSH at the moment. He’s more than a subject to debate, he is an obsession. His name and perceived shortcomings eventually find their way into every Celtics thread. To some of us, he is not just oft-injured, indecisive, mechanically unsound, and clueless, he is apathetic. To others he flashes potential, occasionally displaying a promising playmaking instinct, deft finishing touch, and advanced defensive skill at a crucial position. So what is your assessment of Romeo’s most likely career outcome?
 

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Starter on contending teams, but I'm a prospect-humping homer.

In all seriousness, it's a range of outcomes, but it will be pretty hard for him not to be at least a 15 min/game rotation player imo.

I also think it's pretty likely his 2nd contract is with Boston, unless there's a big FA signing that requires clearing space. The Rozier and Olynyk non-re-signings were because Kemba and Hayward were available into space, and that probably won't happen again for awhile.
 

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I know how Brad would vote: https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/celtics-romeo-langford-gives-injury-update-wrist-2020-21-nba-season-nears.
“I think Romeo is going to be an NBA player for a long time,” Stevens said in a Wednesday video press conference. “I don’t think there’s any question about that. He’s got a great feel. He’s got great athleticism. He knows the game, he works at the game, he’s a very good worker. So, I think about it more in terms of he’s just missing half of his second season, or whatever it is, and I think that that’s hard when you already went through injuries as a rookie.
I think you left out one choice in that his career never really starts because of injuries.

RL is a lottery ticket. He has some attributes that one can't teach and he doesn't have some attributes that one can teach. As I mentioned in another thread, he and TL are probably the C's most likely to upgrade, which is both exciting and kind of scary to think about.

I'm rooting for him.
 

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To some of us, he is not just oft-injured, indecisive, mechanically unsound, and clueless, he is apathetic.
One other thing. No one can argue that RL is oft-injured. Indecisive and clueless probably go together and aren't surprising given his age and lack of experience. Mechanically unsound - well perhaps his jump shot (although it's better).

But apathetic? I don't know where that comes from. By all accounts, Romeo is a super hard worker, even when he has to work by himself. Several players gave him props for his work ethic.
 

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One other thing. No one can argue that RL is oft-injured. Indecisive and clueless probably go together and aren't surprising given his age and lack of experience. Mechanically unsound - well perhaps his jump shot (although it's better).

But apathetic? I don't know where that comes from. By all accounts, Romeo is a super hard worker, even when he has to work by himself. Several players gave him props for his work ethic.
This board’s most famously anti-Romeo member referred to him as apathetic awhile back.

I voted starter on contending teams, but I’m willing to concede that may be optimistic.When it comes to Romeo, I get stars in my eyes.
 

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This is so hard. So much, in today's game is on how well he shoots. It is like how well a guy hits in baseball. He has shown he can probably be capable<<<>>>plus defender, rebounder, passer. which is some ways matters as much as if Franchy is can play right field in Fenway.

I expect only 1 of he and Nesmith will get a chance to make an impact with the Celtics.

I picked 6th man, since if he is good shooter 35-39 on decent volume that is a really good player, starter level. He could be really strong and be like if Semi was a basketball player. Even is Nesmith is ahead of him, I think he gets next year as Semi's replacement, end of the bench bide his time guy.
 

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Productive rotational piece is maybe a top 8-9 guy on a good team? There is probably a pretty decent sized gap between that and never gets another contract.

I have said this before, but I think the error bars for someone in Romeo's unique set of injury/COVID/age circumstances are still huge. I could plausibly see him as a starter or 6th man on a good team.

If you asked me to say the most likely outcome, I'd still probably put him on the fringe of the rotation, end of bench, or out of the league. I'd say maybe 20% chance he ends up a starter/6th man type, 30% rotation guy, 50% borderline roster/out of the league.

We all want him to improve and can see a reasonable path in which he will. But the truth is that a lot of the players that are as bad as Romeo has been so far early on just stay bad.
 

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This is freaky weird -- I was listening to R&J (popped up on a huge playlist) when I first saw this thread.

As for the question, I have no flipping idea.
 

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I fear too early, for my mind misgives;
Some consequence, yet hanging in the stars,



As Shakespeare wrote, it may be too early to determine, so we remain the dark whether Romeo can play well with the stars.

So give Romeo another year to get his shit together
 

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Productive rotational Swiss Army knife since he plays behind 2 of the best young wings in the game. Nesmith will be the 3rd wing to the Jays, dropping bombs from the corners.

Green goggles still fully intact.
 

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I think most likely is rotational piece. He's got the tools that he's going to get a 2nd deal from someone.
As to the rest, we just have too little information to say any of those is "most likely".

My personal guess is he becomes a 6th man or 5th starter somewhere, whether BOS or elsewhere, but I think rotation would be considered more "likely" at this point.
 

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As noted, there is still a lot of uncertainty.

One thing we can say for sure is that he wasn't ready to go from the start of his career. I wonder if anyone has ever classified draft picks in that way and looked at how the "not ready on day 1" guys ultimately panned out.

Looking at Celtic picks from the Stevens era:
  • Ready from the start, more or less: Kelly Olynyk, Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown, Jayson Tatum, Grant Williams (such as he is), Payton Pritchard
  • Not ready from the start: James Young, Terry Rozier, RJ Hunter, Guerschon Yabusele, Ante Zizic, Robert Williams, Romeo Langford, Aaron Nesmith
If we've seen him at his ceiling, then he tops out as an end of bench guy to a ottom of the rotation guy, depending on what team he is on.

If a player can defend NBA points and wings, which is arguably the one thing Romeo has shown he can do at the NBA level, then he can be below average on offense (though better than he has shown) and still start on the right team. On net, his playoff showing was decent.

Most of the uncertainty will be gone one year from now.
 

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He doesn’t have any chronic injuries so there is hope for Romeo having a long career. The only thing I see stopping him from being a rotational player in this league is injuries. I expect him to be a starter and solid role player at some point over the next 2-3 years.
 

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Tony Allen made a pretty good career as an infuriating defensive piece, stitching together a bunch of sub-MLE contracts in Memphis and elsewhere.
 

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Interesting there are more people who think he won't get a 2nd contract than think he'll start.

Could also be that there's no "back end of the bench" option.
 

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Interesting there are more people who think he won't get a 2nd contract than think he'll start.

Could also be that there's no "back end of the bench" option.
Never had understood the fascination with him, and likely never will. He looks like a deep bench guy at the very best
 

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He'll be a rotation player, but probably not a particularly productive one is my best guess. My interpretation of 'fails to get a second contract' is they don't extend a QO to him and he plays elsewhere. That's the year they are out from under Kemba and will need to sign actual good players if they don't want Brown and Tatum walking/demanding trades.
 

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Interesting there are more people who think he won't get a 2nd contract than think he'll start.

Could also be that there's no "back end of the bench" option.
I don’t think these people realize how close he is to starting right now without yet having a normal offseason to work.
 

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We all want him to improve and can see a reasonable path in which he will. But the truth is that a lot of the players that are as bad as Romeo has been so far early on just stay bad.
This is an incorrect comp. The correct comp is defensive specialists who sometimes develop parts of an offensive game. Those guys are given a lot of chances to stick in the league, most of them make it as rotation players, and a decent number develop a shot or off-the-dribble game that makes them more.

The fact of the matter is that it's pretty easy to give heavy minutes to limited offensive players in regular season NBA basketball if they provide a lot on D.

I think Semi skews our perceptions of this type of player, because we see how limited he is offensively, and see how hard it is for him to get minutes as a result. But Semi Ojeleye is not a particularly good defender--his shot contesting is so horrifically bad that it negates the rest of what he does. Romeo doesn't have that issue at all, and that puts him in a very different category of player.
 

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This is an incorrect comp. The correct comp is defensive specialists who sometimes develop parts of an offensive game. Those guys are given a lot of chances to stick in the league, most of them make it as rotation players, and a decent number develop a shot or off-the-dribble game that makes them more.
If you are looking for a comp for Romeo's worst-case scenario, this is fair. His best-case scenarios involve realization of the offensive potential that led to his being a lottery pick.
 

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If you are looking for a comp for Romeo's worst-case scenario, this is fair. His best-case scenarios involve realization of the offensive potential that led to his being a lottery pick.
Yes, was referring to his baseline/downside scenarios.

I don't think low-end rotation player is his max downside, barring injury. The people who focus on his offense overestimate how many guys there are in the NBA who play really good D.
 

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This is an incorrect comp. The correct comp is defensive specialists who sometimes develop parts of an offensive game. Those guys are given a lot of chances to stick in the league, most of them make it as rotation players, and a decent number develop a shot or off-the-dribble game that makes them more.

The fact of the matter is that it's pretty easy to give heavy minutes to limited offensive players in regular season NBA basketball if they provide a lot on D.

I think Semi skews our perceptions of this type of player, because we see how limited he is offensively, and see how hard it is for him to get minutes as a result. But Semi Ojeleye is not a particularly good defender--his shot contesting is so horrifically bad that it negates the rest of what he does. Romeo doesn't have that issue at all, and that puts him in a very different category of player.
This is a great post. We have recent baggage with defense first guys that colors people's opinions. Semi is not a great defender. He moves his feet really well and provides on ball beef (TM). But the book is out on him--just shoot over his outstretched hand. He has like a dozen more NBA blocks than I do.

There are a lot of guys like Tony and Avery who provide value for years on defense and eventually learn to provide something on offense too. Their early offensive numbers were abysmal too, like Rozier. It didn't mean shit
 

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This is an incorrect comp. The correct comp is defensive specialists who sometimes develop parts of an offensive game. Those guys are given a lot of chances to stick in the league, most of them make it as rotation players, and a decent number develop a shot or off-the-dribble game that makes them more.

The fact of the matter is that it's pretty easy to give heavy minutes to limited offensive players in regular season NBA basketball if they provide a lot on D.

I think Semi skews our perceptions of this type of player, because we see how limited he is offensively, and see how hard it is for him to get minutes as a result. But Semi Ojeleye is not a particularly good defender--his shot contesting is so horrifically bad that it negates the rest of what he does. Romeo doesn't have that issue at all, and that puts him in a very different category of player.
For the same reasons we want to keep the door open on Romeo's offensive potential, we should also probably not assume he's going to be some elite (or even above average defender) just yet. His defensive metrics are just ok. The eye test says he seemingly can be lockdown against good players one possession and be lost on the next. I certainly hope he turns into a good to great defender, but that's not a lock. Grant Williams looked a good defender after his rookie year too.

Taking a step back, the eventual value of guys selected at the end of the lottery is all over the map. Certainly some good to even great players, plenty of complete flame outs. On draft day, Romeo had a pretty high % chance of not ending up as a productive rotational player (or better).

Hard for me to say all of the added evidence we have since then (whatever weight you want to give it) makes him less likely to flame out. He has been horrifically bad on offense, and a mild pleasant surprise on D. Both in limited minutes. I think he has less value at this moment than a future #14 overall pick and less value than he had draft night.

I expect he will get another contract from someone and think he has a very real chance to still make it as a good player, but overall the early returns are not particularly good.
 

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For the same reasons we want to keep the door open on Romeo's offensive potential, we should also probably not assume he's going to be some elite (or even above average defender) just yet. His defensive metrics are just ok. The eye test says he seemingly can be lockdown against good players one possession and be lost on the next. I certainly hope he turns into a good to great defender, but that's not a lock. Grant Williams looked a good defender after his rookie year too.

Taking a step back, the eventual value of guys selected at the end of the lottery is all over the map. Certainly some good to even great players, plenty of complete flame outs. On draft day, Romeo had a pretty high % chance of not ending up as a productive rotational player (or better).

Hard for me to say all of the added evidence we have since then (whatever weight you want to give it) makes him less likely to flame out. He has been horrifically bad on offense, and a mild pleasant surprise on D. Both in limited minutes. I think he has less value at this moment than a future #14 overall pick and less value than he had draft night.

I expect he will get another contract from someone and think he has a very real chance to still make it as a good player, but overall the early returns are not particularly good.
Not sure what to say man; we're watching completely different games.

Edit: the clearest way I can put it is that, even though I liked Romeo as a defender, I was much lower on him prior to watching his minutes this year.
 
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The eye test says he seemingly can be lockdown against good players one possession and be lost on the next.
I also feel like we are watching different games. Yes, RL is having trouble against KD, Harden, and KI, but he's really the only C last night other than Tatum and maybe Smart who game them even an ounce of trouble. TT had some help blocks but against TT, NG, AN, and PP, those guys were scoring at will.

JT, JB, MS, RL, and TL would be a great defensive team. If they could ever get on the floor together.

And just because:


View: https://twitter.com/Timi_093/status/1399894472683630593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
 

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I also feel like we are watching different games. Yes, RL is having trouble against KD, Harden, and KI, but he's really the only C last night other than Tatum and maybe Smart who game them even an ounce of trouble. TT had some help blocks but against TT, NG, AN, and PP, those guys were scoring at will.

JT, JB, MS, RL, and TL would be a great defensive team. If they could ever get on the floor together.

And just because:


View: https://twitter.com/Timi_093/status/1399894472683630593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
He's already probably a better option for defending them than Smart. I still stand by my prediction from a few months ago that he'll be considered the Cs best perimeter defender by midway next year. As HRB notes in the other thread, he needs to keep his motor running every play to hit that.
 

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He's already probably a better option for defending them than Smart. I still stand by my prediction from a few months ago that he'll be considered the Cs best perimeter defender by midway next year. As HRB notes in the other thread, he needs to keep his motor running every play to hit that.
I posted a story in the other thread 18 months ago that had a quote from an "unnamed coach" (FWIW) that RL was already the Cs best on-ball defender. And that team had Green and Wanamaker.

As for RL's motor, I'll post more in the other thread but he's so athletically gifted, he makes it look easy.
 

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Someone will pay a handsome price — maybe even Marcus Smart money — to gamble on Romeo Langford becoming the guy scouts thought he’d be coming out of high school. Due to the luxury tax situation, and Nesmith and Pritchard getting paid the next year, I don’t think it will be us.

Not sure if that’s aligned with the first or second response to the poll.
 

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Someone will pay a handsome price — maybe even Marcus Smart money — to gamble on Romeo Langford becoming the guy scouts thought he’d be coming out of high school. Due to the luxury tax situation, and Nesmith and Pritchard getting paid the next year, I don’t think it will be us.

Not sure if that’s aligned with the first or second response to the poll.
If Pritchard develops to the point where they're trying to save money to pay him instead of Romeo, that's a great outcome. I think it's pretty likely that RL is the obviously better player in the next year or so though. Tbh I think he is already, and I think Brad would say the same, but I know that's controversial.
 

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Someone will pay a handsome price — maybe even Marcus Smart money — to gamble on Romeo Langford becoming the guy scouts thought he’d be coming out of high school. Due to the luxury tax situation, and Nesmith and Pritchard getting paid the next year, I don’t think it will be us.

Not sure if that’s aligned with the first or second response to the poll.
Why are Nesmith and Pritchard, two players that have shown much less, be getting paid ahead of Romeo who was just one of our best players in a playoff series?
 

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I also feel like we are watching different games. Yes, RL is having trouble against KD, Harden, and KI, but he's really the only C last night other than Tatum and maybe Smart who game them even an ounce of trouble. TT had some help blocks but against TT, NG, AN, and PP, those guys were scoring at will.

JT, JB, MS, RL, and TL would be a great defensive team. If they could ever get on the floor together.

And just because:


View: https://twitter.com/Timi_093/status/1399894472683630593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Yeah Brooklyn had it easy overall in this series, but it was nice watching Harden have a Lu Dort flashback at least.
 

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If Pritchard develops to the point where they're trying to save money to pay him instead of Romeo, that's a great outcome. I think it's pretty likely that RL is the obviously better player in the next year or so though. Tbh I think he is already, and I think Brad would say the same, but I know that's controversial.
It’s not that Pritchard will be more valuable than Romeo in two years. It’s that he’ll be cheaper, and a better fit for the roster assuming Nesmith also develops into a rotational piece in the next two years (which, of course, is not a given).

I do think Pritchard is the more valuable player now, but this whole conversation presupposes some improvement in Romeo’s shooting over the next two years, which I think is likely.
 

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There are just so many ways you can slice statistics with such a small sample size. I think we all agree on that. Heading into the playoffs, Romeo had played 653 total minutes in his career, over two disappointing, injury-plagued seasons.

On May 16, he had his career high of 34 minutes played, against the Knicks. That one game accounts for roughly 5 percent of the total number of regular season minutes he’s ever played. In it, he had 14 points on 5 for 11 shooting (0 for 1 on 3P and 4 for 6 from the line), and had 4 rebounds, 1 assist, and 2 turnovers.

Two weeks later, in a playoff series against a very good team, he turns in what is probably his best game ever. He plays 38 minutes, has 17 points on 7 for 12 shooting (3 for 7 from 3P, 0 FT attempts), 1 rebound, 2 assists, and 0 turnovers. He also turns in one of the team's better defensive efforts. Again, this one game would represent about 5 percent of the total number of regular season minutes he’s played.

It is certainly reasonable to dismiss these more recent performances as variance within a ridiculously small sample size—and it must be pointed out that there were some less-than-stellar games in between them. But it is just as reasonable to see them as signs of a talented player who is getting better—in fits and starts, as young players often do. However one chooses to look at it, though, it is not obvious to me that 619 minutes spread across a player's first two seasons in the league should be regarded as any more predictive than 72 minutes spread across two games in his two most recent weeks.

There have been valid critiques that this poll would have benefited from an option in between "no second contract" and "productive rotation player." In retrospect, I agree. But what’s clear to me now is that the real omission was an option for “Sure-Fire Hall of Famer.”

I’m kidding.

Sort of.

I can’t help it. I love this kid and I want him to succeed.
 

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It’s not that Pritchard will be more valuable than Romeo in two years. It’s that he’ll be cheaper, and a better fit for the roster assuming Nesmith also develops into a rotational piece in the next two years (which, of course, is not a given).

I do think Pritchard is the more valuable player now, but this whole conversation presupposes some improvement in Romeo’s shooting over the next two years, which I think is likely.
The thing is, you can never really be a bad fit as a 6-4 guy with defense and infinite arms who projects to add ball-handling. Too many different lineups you can play in and positions you can play. PP has a higher bar to hit, because he only plays one position, and can't yet defend well or generate his own shot, so he's a spot-up shooter and "bring it up the floor and pass" guy.

I'm not even *that* low on PP; I just think it's weird to talk about Romeo not being a fit relative to him.
 

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Not sure what to say man; we're watching completely different games.

Edit: the clearest way I can put it is that, even though I liked Romeo as a defender, I was much lower on him prior to watching his minutes this year.
I guess we are. His metrics on D are nothing special and on offense they are abysmal. I admit he has some tools and don't discount he could be good to very good on D, but the Romeo love here is a little odd to me based on what we have seen.

His career to date has not been good, he supposedly has very little value around the league, and almost surely less value than he did on draft night. His 3rd year will be huge, we can all agree there. I'm hopeful but can't say I'm particularly optimistic about it.
 

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I guess we are. His metrics on D are nothing special and on offense they are abysmal. I admit he has some tools and don't discount he could be good to very good on D, but the Romeo love here is a little odd to me based on what we have seen.

His career to date has not been good, he supposedly has very little value around the league, and almost surely less value than he did on draft night. His 3rd year will be huge, we can all agree there. I'm hopeful but can't say I'm particularly optimistic about it.
If you are a big trends person and treat all cases as the same, Romeo has all the signs of a bust.

Young players not improving year over year is not a good thing. But if you look at Romeo's case specifically, you see a player whose first 2 seasons combined are more like half a season or so. PP played 1200 minutes this year, Grant played 1043 his rookie year. Romeo is also not Carsen Edwards. The reason Romeo wasn't playing 1000 minutes his rookie season or this year are due to injuries.

If you look at Romeo's 1st 2 seasons as more like 1/2 a season or 1 season (which is actually a fair argument), you will probably be a lot higher on Romeo. If you think he should have improved year over year pretty much regardless and view his career as 2 seasons (which is actually a fair argument), you are much lower on Romeo.

I fall between those 2 options, but closer to side 2. At the same time, I'm not totally willing to write him off because there are special circumstances. I think he ends up a 15-20 minute defensive stopper but his ceiling is something similar to healthy Oladipo. His floor is what he is right now, which is pretty close to the 15-20 minute defensive stopper. Just needs a little refinement.
 

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I fall between those 2 options, but closer to side 2. At the same time, I'm not totally willing to write him off because there are special circumstances. I think he ends up a 15-20 minute defensive stopper but his ceiling is something similar to healthy Oladipo.
That's quite a range, healthy Oladipo was pretty good. But overall I agree with your post.

I am definitely willing to give Romeo the benefit of the doubt and count his career to date as essentially 1 rookie year. That gives him some more runway to turn it around and become a good player.

But I do feel like people are glossing over the obvious fact that he has been very bad, and worse than you would expect, even as a rookie. That has to count for something, even if he flashes reasons to be optimistic.

I'm surprised there are people higher on him now than they were on the day he was drafted. But anyone now expecting the most likely scenario as an NBA starter, or Marcus Smart equivalent player, I assume has booster their expectations since draft day.
 

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I guess we are. His metrics on D are nothing special and on offense they are abysmal. I admit he has some tools and don't discount he could be good to very good on D, but the Romeo love here is a little odd to me based on what we have seen.

His career to date has not been good, he supposedly has very little value around the league, and almost surely less value than he did on draft night. His 3rd year will be huge, we can all agree there. I'm hopeful but can't say I'm particularly optimistic about it.
The bet on Romeo isn’t about his past it is about how the player can grow his ball skills into his already existing physical ones. This is the upside that the pro-Romeo’s are seeing.

Edit: Yeah I’ll take Romeo becoming a Max player like Oladipo and be good with that. Lol. Obviously I disagree on Cesar’s bust signs.
 

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That's quite a range, healthy Oladipo was pretty good. But overall I agree with your post.

I am definitely willing to give Romeo the benefit of the doubt and count his career to date as essentially 1 rookie year. That gives him some more runway to turn it around and become a good player.

But I do feel like people are glossing over the obvious fact that he has been very bad, and worse than you would expect, even as a rookie. That has to count for something, even if he flashes reasons to be optimistic.

I'm surprised there are people higher on him now than they were on the day he was drafted. But anyone now expecting the most likely scenario as an NBA starter, or Marcus Smart equivalent player, I assume has booster their expectations since draft day.
It is quite a range. All lottery picks have quite a range though.

And yes, he has been pretty brutal to date. A lot of rookies are pretty brutal though. Some are so bad they don't even see the court. Year 2 is an important year, as is year 3. If you are willing to look at Romeo's career as 1 year, you should be able to dismiss it all to him simply being a rookie. There are tons of examples of rookies just as bad as Romeo to go on and have basketball careers. There are far fewer players who played as bad as Romeo in year 1 and year 2 that went on to have basketball careers. Terry Rozier is the one that comes to mind.

Other people will name other players but I bet those players actually had improvement in their % rates. Most players show some type of growth in year 2, even if it's from god awful to awful. Even Terry.

And there are people higher on him now than when he was drafted? I guess I missed those post.
 

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The bet on Romeo isn’t about his past it is about how the player can grow his ball skills into his already existing physical ones. This is the upside that the pro-Romeo’s are seeing.
Are you more optimistic now on Romeo than the day he was drafted?

Those physical skills existed then and he hadn't yet shown he would be horrible on offense for the next 2 years. Generally we agree that "everything matters", that's why I think it's reasonable to dock Romeo a bit since then.

I suppose people think his physical tools are much better than advertised, and that positive outweighs the terrible performance negative to date?
 

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The bet on Romeo isn’t about his past it is about how the player can grow his ball skills into his already existing physical ones. This is the upside that the pro-Romeo’s are seeing.

Edit: Yeah I’ll take Romeo becoming a Max player like Oladipo and be good with that. Lol. Obviously I disagree on Cesar’s bust signs.
The range really is that big though. And Oladipo is 1% outcome, if that wasn't clear. Absolute ceiling so to speak.
 

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And there are people higher on him now than when he was drafted? I guess I missed those post.
Isn't is kind of implied if some people think his most likely outcome is NBA starter or Marcus Smart equivalent that they are higher on him than when he was drafted?

Perhaps not, but that seems like a pretty optimistic expectation for a fringe lottery pick.
 

Cesar Crespo

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Isn't is kind of implied if some people think his most likely outcome is NBA starter or Marcus Smart equivalent that they are higher on him than when he was drafted?

Perhaps not, but that seems like a pretty optimistic expectation for a fringe lottery pick.
Are we seeing the same pole? There are more people who think he won't get a 2nd contract than think he'll be an NBA starter.

I guess those people would think he's better than the 14th pick though so fair enough.