http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/11025503/pierre-mcguire-candidate-pittsburgh-penguins-gm-job
What are the Pens thinking?
What are the Pens thinking?
The thing Pierre has going for him is that Scotty Bowman is a big believer in him and always has been. Scotty doesn't just hand out endorsements to everybody.The Napkin said:You know ... he's shitty at his job. But should we be so quick to assume he'd be a shitty GM as well? He was a decent scout and coach if I recollect. And he clearly knows the minors and juniors and colleges and all that stuff. And he knows everyone in the game. So... I dunno. I think maybe a year or 2 as an asst gm before getting the head job would be good but I'm not sure he'd be the worst gm in the league if he were hired. Damning with faint praise maybe. But there you go.
The start of this thread came off as "Pierre is shitty, what are the Pens thinking", but I honestly wanted to know what they were thinking. It has more to do with grabbing a guy from the broadcast booth and plopping him into the driver's seat than it had to do with his talents as a broadcaster, talent evaluator or GM.The Napkin said:You know ... he's shitty at his job. But should we be so quick to assume he'd be a shitty GM as well? He was a decent scout and coach if I recollect. And he clearly knows the minors and juniors and colleges and all that stuff. And he knows everyone in the game. So... I dunno. I think maybe a year or 2 as an asst gm before getting the head job would be good but I'm not sure he'd be the worst gm in the league if he were hired. Damning with faint praise maybe. But there you go.
He was actually a terrible coach away from Scotty Bowman. His only head coaching experience in the NHL as a brief stint for the Whalers where he went 23-37-7. He later landed as a scout for the Sens but only lasted 2 months before being canned.The Napkin said:You know ... he's shitty at his job. But should we be so quick to assume he'd be a shitty GM as well? He was a decent scout and coach if I recollect. And he clearly knows the minors and juniors and colleges and all that stuff. And he knows everyone in the game. So... I dunno. I think maybe a year or 2 as an asst gm before getting the head job would be good but I'm not sure he'd be the worst gm in the league if he were hired. Damning with faint praise maybe. But there you go.
cshea said:His only head coaching experience in the NHL as a brief stint for the Whalers where he went 23-37-7.
Especially when Paul Holmgren gave up on the same team for not trying.Vinho Tinto said:Can we really damn him for failing with the Whalers?
In 15 years of covering the NHL, we had never seen a coach so universally disrespected and disliked within his own organization.
In a blistering post-mortem, captain Pat Verbeek called McGuire's firing the best thing that could have happened to the Whalers. He said other teams mocked their coach. He said his own teammates had no respect for McGuire. He said a number of players wouldn't have wanted to play in Hartford anymore.
Many times he privately said after a game how he outcoached the other guy. But it was something never really made public until May 3, when McGuire proclaimed that no coach in the NHL ``can outwit me.''
Once when he was an assistant coach, McGuire bragged about his strategy to shut down Mario Lemieux. This was after a 7-3 loss and four goals by Kevin Stevens.
Dummy Hoy said:Sure- I was just making sure people understood that he sucked back then, when people are looking to blame the franchise instead.
I'm sure he's improved (his interpersonal relations if nothing else), but does his body of work suggest legitimate GM candidate?
FL4WL3SS said:The start of this thread came off as "Pierre is shitty, what are the Pens thinking", but I honestly wanted to know what they were thinking. It has more to do with grabbing a guy from the broadcast booth and plopping him into the driver's seat than it had to do with his talents as a broadcaster, talent evaluator or GM.
Unless it causes Sid to retire and Malkin to defect back to Russia I don't think the Penguins would ever be able to tank enough to draft Connor McDavid. Say what you want to about this group, they've always been a regular season juggernaut.Dummy Hoy said:The only shitty thing about McGuire going to the Pens would be that they would crash and burn just in time to draft a generational talent with the 1st pick. Include me in the group that says there isn't much to see here.
TheStoryofYourRedRightAnkle said:JiBes, man, jiBes.
And, pretty much agree. He's an arrogant asswhistle and always has been.
PedroSpecialK said:No other way to slice this other than it being a bad hire on the surface. Unless there's an assistant who'll be in charge of most hockey ops, but that's doubtful.
cshea said:Bylsma quickly given the heave-ho from Rutherford. First time a GM has made a personel/staff move before his introductory press conference?
MiracleOfO2704 said:
And greg does a total 180 on Rutherford immediately.
cshea said:Also, kinda shitty treatment of Bylsma. This was a foregone conclusion, they should've just whacked him with Shero.
FL4WL3SS said:Rutherford is going to hire some also-ran for coach. This is going to be fun to watch.