I don't think he left on bad terms. They sent him to a team in contention. What's bad about that?
Peavy traded to SF
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Peavy was 1-9 with the Red Sox this year, while Doubront and Workman combined to go 3-11. That is a 4-20 W-L record from 40% of the starting rotation. Those three guys got 41 starts this year. Say what you want about pitcher W-L records, but that is really horrible.
I know that their W-L records isn't all their fault at all, but good god that is a horrible winning percentage from a big chunk of the rotation. The rest of the team has gone 52-50. That includes Buchholz, Breslow, Mujica, Capuano, Webster, and the rest of the scrubs.
We had the basis of a good pitching staff this season, but the back end has been horrifying. The seasons we got from Lester, Lackey, De La Rosa, Uehara, Miller, Badenhop and Tazawa so far add up to 7/12ths of an excellent pitching staff, with the top of both the rotation and bullpen being very good. The other starter spots and the bottom three bullpen spots have been awful.
I know that their W-L records isn't all their fault at all, but good god that is a horrible winning percentage from a big chunk of the rotation. The rest of the team has gone 52-50. That includes Buchholz, Breslow, Mujica, Capuano, Webster, and the rest of the scrubs.
We had the basis of a good pitching staff this season, but the back end has been horrifying. The seasons we got from Lester, Lackey, De La Rosa, Uehara, Miller, Badenhop and Tazawa so far add up to 7/12ths of an excellent pitching staff, with the top of both the rotation and bullpen being very good. The other starter spots and the bottom three bullpen spots have been awful.
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Sorry, I was kidding. I was trying to make a little fun of that tired and overstated CHB like mantra. Sarcasm doesn't always come through.Remagellan said:
This is a few days old, but now we know why SF gave up on Heath Hembree. SF brought two September callup RHPs into games this week and both hit 100 on the speed gun. Erik Cordier below and the other guy, Hunter Strickland, is the one they think may be their closer as early as next year. Can haz one of them pretty please?
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Cordier fastballs in first MLB inning: 100, 100, 101, 101, 100, 100, 99, 100, 101, 100, 100, 100, 98, 101, 101, 99, 99, 100, 98, 101, 101.
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Cordier fastballs in first MLB inning: 100, 100, 101, 101, 100, 100, 99, 100, 101, 100, 100, 100, 98, 101, 101, 99, 99, 100, 98, 101, 101.
man, why can't we get guys like Hunter Strickland...Al Zarilla said:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=strick001hun
d'oh!
2013: Selected off waivers from the Pirates.
I know it's only a half serious Bob Lobell moment. If they wanted him back they could have gotten him back by sending some cash the Pirates way before the waiver claim. Hard to blame the trade anymore.
Plus Hembree has plenty of potential.
Nice to see Peavy having such a great run. The BB and K rates are back to where they need to be. I'm not surprised given his move to AAAA, but also as he gets more comfortable with the lower arm slot Pedro suggest to him last fall.
I know it's only a half serious Bob Lobell moment. If they wanted him back they could have gotten him back by sending some cash the Pirates way before the waiver claim. Hard to blame the trade anymore.
Plus Hembree has plenty of potential.
Nice to see Peavy having such a great run. The BB and K rates are back to where they need to be. I'm not surprised given his move to AAAA, but also as he gets more comfortable with the lower arm slot Pedro suggest to him last fall.
Peavy was quoted in the NLCS notes column in today's Globe as attributing his success in SF to the belief the people in SF have in him. (Sorry, having a problem linking it.). He's quick to say that it's not as if people in Boston didn't believe in him. But he does emphasize that he had a different feeling when taking the mound in Boston.
It is impossible to really assess these comments. Maybe it's just lame ass excuse making for how Peavy performed as a Red Sox. Maybe it's just that Peavy is much more likely to find success in the NL given his stuff. Maybe it's just a guy talking (Diner reference).
But Peavy struck me as one of the more thoughtful guys on the Sox in the last several years (with all caveats reflecting that we only know what players choose to reveal of themselves through the media and Derek Jeter's cat website). So who knows, maybe there is something there and maybe Farrell and Nieves will consider what he said. And maybe it's nothing.
It bears emphasis that Peavy has been otherwise incredibly positive about his Boston experience and was similarly positive when making the comments about the increased belief in him in SF. This is not an example of a player leaving on bad terms.
It is impossible to really assess these comments. Maybe it's just lame ass excuse making for how Peavy performed as a Red Sox. Maybe it's just that Peavy is much more likely to find success in the NL given his stuff. Maybe it's just a guy talking (Diner reference).
But Peavy struck me as one of the more thoughtful guys on the Sox in the last several years (with all caveats reflecting that we only know what players choose to reveal of themselves through the media and Derek Jeter's cat website). So who knows, maybe there is something there and maybe Farrell and Nieves will consider what he said. And maybe it's nothing.
It bears emphasis that Peavy has been otherwise incredibly positive about his Boston experience and was similarly positive when making the comments about the increased belief in him in SF. This is not an example of a player leaving on bad terms.
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A player's performance has fuck all to do with whether people believe in him. It may have something to do with how he perceives their belief in him in that it could affect his confidence, but holy fuck, if the difference between his performance in SF and his performance in Boston is confidence, how the hell did he even make the majors?
I doubt it's as irrelevant as all that. Players in all sports often credit coaches and managers for helping to instill confidence in them and often say that the same impacts their performance. That's not to say that other things -- basic ability, health, the quality of the opposition, etc. -- don't matter a helluva lot more.Rasputin said:
As I said, there are likely a lot more relevant factors than Bruce Bochy's confidence level in the explanation of Peavy's substantially better performance in SF. Still, it's not as if JF and Nieves don't have time to reflect on what Peavy said, even if it's only to eliminate it as total BS.
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I see the "confidence" thing as just part of the "change of scenery" package. Sometimes just going to a different place with new people who think you are really awesome can help your confidence/mindset/whatever for a little while. I assume that's part of why married people have affairs. Confidence can come and go. Even world class, experienced actors get stagefright.
More important than the belief thing, Giants pitching coach Dave Righetti made "a few minor tweaks" to Peavy's motion.
It's funny how his confidence suddenly shot up after he was traded to the National League and in particular the pitchers parks that make up the NL West.
The psychology profession disagrees.Rasputin said:
He'd cut his walks before he left Boston, with a 26/8 k/bb ratio in his final 4 starts.URI said:
Peavy becomes the third pitcher to win rings in consecutive years for different teams. Can you name the other two?
Jack Morris, Twins '91/Blue Jays '92
Don Gullett, Reds '76/Yankees '77
Don Gullett, Reds '76/Yankees '77
He did exactly what he did for us. Helped them get to the playoffs, a contribution early in the postseason and mostly just adding to the loose-clubhouse vibe. Bochy made that call. Wise.
Built up his contract value during the regular season, crushed it in the World Series.
He's perfect for the Cubs where that just won't matter
He's perfect for the Cubs where that just won't matter
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Yup.
Ortiz
Romo
Sandoval
Posey
Bumgarner
Lincecum
Cain
Affedlt
All have 3.
Sox and Giants battling for supremacy in the 2000s. Each with three WS championships. Sox' have been a little more spread out. Giants more bunched together.
The tale of the tape, from 2000-present.
WS titles
Bos - 3 (3-0 in WS)
SF - 3 (3-1 in WS)
Times advancing to the LCS
Bos - 5
SF - 4
Playoff appearances
Bos - 7
SF - 6
First place finishes
Bos - 2
SF - 4
WL record
Bos - 1336-1093-0 (.550)
SF - 1291-1136-1 (.532)
Pythag win%
Bos - .554
SF - .521
90 or more win seasons
Bos - 9
SF - 7
75 or fewer win seasons
Bos - 2
SF - 3
RS-RA (Diff)
Bos - 12561-11107 (+1454)
SF - 10766-10259 (+507)
Pretty close overall, but Boston gets the overall edge. Clearly the class of each league, with StL close behind SF in the NL.
The tale of the tape, from 2000-present.
WS titles
Bos - 3 (3-0 in WS)
SF - 3 (3-1 in WS)
Times advancing to the LCS
Bos - 5
SF - 4
Playoff appearances
Bos - 7
SF - 6
First place finishes
Bos - 2
SF - 4
WL record
Bos - 1336-1093-0 (.550)
SF - 1291-1136-1 (.532)
Pythag win%
Bos - .554
SF - .521
90 or more win seasons
Bos - 9
SF - 7
75 or fewer win seasons
Bos - 2
SF - 3
RS-RA (Diff)
Bos - 12561-11107 (+1454)
SF - 10766-10259 (+507)
Pretty close overall, but Boston gets the overall edge. Clearly the class of each league, with StL close behind SF in the NL.
Happy for Peavy certainly, even if I wanted the Royals to win, but the poor guy is just the "anti-Schilling" of postseason pitching.
Career 7.98 ERA, 1-5 record and 1.826 WHIP in 9 starts and just 38.1 innings pitched - only made it into the 6th inning in one of those 9 starts. Practically a miracle he has 2 rings given his own horrid numbers....
Career 7.98 ERA, 1-5 record and 1.826 WHIP in 9 starts and just 38.1 innings pitched - only made it into the 6th inning in one of those 9 starts. Practically a miracle he has 2 rings given his own horrid numbers....
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