Because NERVOUS!I'm not really seeing how Houston is a threat to land George.
Because NERVOUS!I'm not really seeing how Houston is a threat to land George.
Well, it can only go so long--Hayward might need a PG deal (not consummated, but essentially done) before signing here. There's a point where Hayward won't wait any longer. And the Pacers know this.As was said in the article, the longer this goes the better it is for BOS (assuming, of course, they sign Griffin or Hayward), due to the depth of BOS' trade assets.
From everything I've read it's the other way around. Hayward is interested in Boston because of Stevens, Eastern Conference, fit, etc. I think the George trade and possible extension is only discussed/consummated if Hayward or Griffin signs firstWell, it can only go so long--Hayward might need a PG deal (not consummated, but essentially done) before signing here. There's a point where Hayward won't wait any longer. And the Pacers know this.
I mean, Danny initially asked for the Lakers AND Kings picks to move down from 1 to 3. GMs are always going to swing for the fences early on. As we saw with Philly/Boston, a deal will get done if both sides end up being reasonable.I think anyone trading with Celtics would be crazy not to push for those assets. And, Ainge would be crazy to deal both of them for anyone not named "Anthony Davis" or "Kevin Durant" (the latter of which can't be traded anyway). Can't blame the other team for trying, though
Chris Paul used his opt out to force the Clippers into the deal and so that's not the best comp. The Pacers should expect more because they have more control.Wouldn't the return for Chris Paul be a reasonable measuring stick for what the Pacers might expect for PG? They didn't get a single asset worth anywhere near what the BKN pick is worth. The draft pick will be high 20s (similar to BOS '18 pick). Players (Bradley and lesser) plus a BOS pick and/or MEM/LAC pick seems more like market value...
I sense it's Jae, Avery, Marcus and a couple of Bos first rounders or y'all can suck it...
Source says the Cs and Pacers have continued to have Paul George talks this week, but Boston doesn't have a sense how close a deal might be.
I think you don't understand leverage in negotiations.I sense it's Jae, Avery, Marcus and a couple of Bos first rounders or y'all can suck it...
Jae and Avery are all that's necessary for the salary to work, there's no need to go past that and the LAL/Sac pick. That's worlds better than anything else they're getting offered.I sense it's Jae, Avery, Marcus and a couple of Bos first rounders or y'all can suck it...
I'm not even throwing the Lakers pick yet. Clippers 19 and BOS 18 until another offer approaching that is on the table.Jae and Avery are all that's necessary for the salary to work, there's no need to go past that and the LAL/Sac pick. That's worlds better than anything else they're getting offered.
That package assumes the extension, right? To the extent that George and his people are dictating terms, the Pacers may be forced to accept a lesser package if he would prefer to go join the Rockets.Jae and Avery are all that's necessary for the salary to work, there's no need to go past that and the LAL/Sac pick. That's worlds better than anything else they're getting offered.
What does Houston have to offer without a 3rd team getting involved?I have
That package assumes the extension, right? To the extent that George and his people are dictating terms, the Pacers may be forced to accept a lesser package if he would prefer to go join the Rockets.
Not a lot but as others have pointed out, George has all the leverage here. If he has no desire to sign an extension (because maybe he prefers Houston as a destination for one year), that lowers what Indiana can ask for him. Houston can send Ryan Anderson out to another team for picks and use that. It will be a stretch but if its what George wants, he can try to make it happen.What does Houston have to offer without a 3rd team getting involved?
Who else is leveraging better than that for him for a year? Unless Ingram is tossed in, there's nothing better out there unless I'm missing a mystery team...I think you don't understand leverage in negotiations.
What in terms of picks could Anderson at 3/$60m fetch??? Would anyone give up a 1st? Maybe my barometer is broken...Not a lot but as others have pointed out, George has all the leverage here. If he has no desire to sign an extension (because maybe he prefers Houston as a destination for one year), that lowers what Indiana can ask for him. Houston can send Ryan Anderson out to another team for picks and use that. It will be a stretch but if its what George wants, he can try to make it happen.
No way.What in terms of picks could Anderson at 3/$60m fetch??? Would anyone give up a 1st? Maybe my barometer is broken...
Yup. Houston would be the ones giving up picks, not receiving them. He's obviously a shit defender but Anderson will be lethal on the pick-and-roll with Paul and Harden.No way.
At best he has no value, I'd think he has negative value.
Ryan Anderson's market is likely small but the guy is a very useful player in today's NBA. He shoots 40% from beyond the arc and can rebound some. His defense is pretty putrid but if you are a contender who is looking for a bit more shooting, you could do far worse than him. His contract is big but I don't agree that its "negative value".What in terms of picks could Anderson at 3/$60m fetch??? Would anyone give up a 1st? Maybe my barometer is broken...
He's any contender's Kyle Korver off the bench. 40% from 3 off the bench is valuable in today's NBA especially if you can hide his defense against another team's second unit. He'd be a perfect fit on a team like the Wizards in the role Bojan Bogdonavic failed at in the series against the C's.Ryan Anderson's market is likely small but the guy is a very useful player in today's NBA. He shoots 40% from beyond the arc and can rebound some. His defense is pretty putrid but if you are a contender who is looking for a bit more shooting, you could do far worse than him. His contract is big but I don't agree that its "negative value".
Again, the Rockets getting the pieces to obtain George is a stretch. However if he has interest in joining the Harden/Paul Ball Dominance Experiment, he can certainly do a fair bit to deter Boston from trading for him and encouraging the Pacers to engage with Houston plus another team.
Ok, agreed.No way.
At best he has no value, I'd think he has negative value.
Anderson's contract is absolutely a negative value with the current cap. No one is paying 3 years 60 mil for a guy whose only NBA skill currently is 3 point shooting. It was reported that teams wanted 2 1st round picks as the cost for taking on his contract.Ryan Anderson's market is likely small but the guy is a very useful player in today's NBA. He shoots 40% from beyond the arc and can rebound some. His defense is pretty putrid but if you are a contender who is looking for a bit more shooting, you could do far worse than him. His contract is big but I don't agree that its "negative value".
Again, the Rockets getting the pieces to obtain George is a stretch. However if he has interest in joining the Harden/Paul Ball Dominance Experiment, he can certainly do a fair bit to deter Boston from trading for him and encouraging the Pacers to engage with Houston plus another team.
Kyle Korver makes 5 million a year, not 20.He's any contender's Kyle Korver off the bench. 40% from 3 off the bench is valuable in today's NBA especially if you can hide his defense against another team's second unit. He'd be a perfect fit on a team like the Wizards in the role Bojan Bogdonavic failed at in the series against the C's.
True. I'm more talking about the player independent of the contract.Kyle Korver makes 5 million a year, not 20.
I agree his contract is hefty but whatever is being reported these days needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Free agency hasn't started and once the dust clears, there are going to be teams that need another player in a pace and space offense.Anderson's contract is absolutely a negative value with the current cap. No one is paying 3 years 60 mil for a guy whose only NBA skill currently is 3 point shooting. It was reported that teams wanted 2 1st round picks as the cost for taking on his contract.
Basically the only ways the Rockets could trade for George is if they decided to include Capela or if George publically came out and said he would only sign an extension with the Rockets. Even if he did that, Houston has so little to offer that Indiana might be tempted to call his bluff and keep him anyway.
We're going to need to give teams picks to get Anderson off our team. His contract was just too much. It's not an asset right now.I agree his contract is hefty but whatever is being reported these days needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Free agency hasn't started and once the dust clears, there are going to be teams that need another player in a pace and space offense.
Anderson is an elite level shooter from deep given how many threes he took (he was ninth overall in total makes and eleventh in total takes). Furthermore, he can rebound a bit too. In short, while he is very highly paid, his best skill is essentially the most highly valued in the current NBA. As such, he is perfect in his current role for the Rockets. There are plenty of other teams like the aforementioned Wizards who could benefit from having him on their roster.
Again, I view a George trade to Houston as highly unlikely but then again, there are always confounding trades in the Association. I was simply pointing out that it isn't a layup that nobody can beat the Celtics offer because the return to the Pacers may not be the only parameter to getting a deal done.
Small point, and I'm not exactly in the Bojan fan club, but he shot .391 from 3 over ~19min per game for 8.1/4.1 so I'm not sure he was a failure in the Celtics series. I guess in the most reductive sense where the Wiz didn't win it was a failure.He's any contender's Kyle Korver off the bench. 40% from 3 off the bench is valuable in today's NBA especially if you can hide his defense against another team's second unit. He'd be a perfect fit on a team like the Wizards in the role Bojan Bogdonavic failed at in the series against the C's.
Fair, but a lot of that scoring came from his 19 point outburst in Game 3, and I forgot he was 2/3 from deep in Game 1. But he threw in some serious stinkers when the Wiz could have used his scoring off the bench most - shutout in Game 2, six points in Game 5, and four points in Game 7.Small point, and I'm not exactly in the Bojan fan club, but he shot .391 from 3 over ~19min per game for 8.1/4.1 so I'm not sure he was a failure in the Celtics series. I guess in the most reductive sense where the Wiz didn't win it was a failure.
I want 500k a year and profit sharing with my company. It's nice to want things.Rusillo on ESPN this morning, said that he talked to multiple teams and Pacers want "2 picks, and not in the 20s" and a "good young player that they could intro at a press conference".
There's really only one team that can make that deal. And if that's the case, that team doesn't need to make that deal, because they'd be bidding against themselves.
And if that team isn't successful in FA, then the Pacers will be getting pupu platter leftovers from whoever is left.Rusillo on ESPN this morning, said that he talked to multiple teams and Pacers want "2 picks, and not in the 20s" and a "good young player that they could intro at a press conference".
There's really only one team that can make that deal. And if that's the case, that team doesn't need to make that deal, because they'd be bidding against themselves.
Ainge already made one of the biggest transactions of the offseason with a division rival.With all these reports that teams want more value from the C's than they want from other teams (plus the in-flight cancellation debacle), I'm starting to wonder if Ainge has pissed off every rival GM to the point that it's tough for him to transact efficiently.
Teams ask for more because Boston has more. Would be the case no matter who was running the show.With all these reports that teams want more value from the C's than they want from other teams (plus the in-flight cancellation debacle), I'm starting to wonder if Ainge has pissed off every rival GM to the point that it's tough for him to transact efficiently.
I wonder if people are overly cautious with Ainge because they don't want to be the next Brooklyn Nets. I think Ainge over time has more or less 'won' every trade he's made over the past few years and I think a lot of GMs are wary of being the next one. It's also that Boston has a lot of assets. At some point it would be interesting to see what the actual deals were that were offered, although I don't think that will happen.With all these reports that teams want more value from the C's than they want from other teams (plus the in-flight cancellation debacle), I'm starting to wonder if Ainge has pissed off every rival GM to the point that it's tough for him to transact efficiently.
No GM wants to be the next Billy King and get owned by Ainge, but you'd be out of work in a hurry if you wouldn't do a deal with the C's just because you're worried about looking bad.With all these reports that teams want more value from the C's than they want from other teams (plus the in-flight cancellation debacle), I'm starting to wonder if Ainge has pissed off every rival GM to the point that it's tough for him to transact efficiently.