Patriots trade for JC Jackson

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I think it's safe to say that Belichick the GM is not going to tank a season after only 4 games, and it's also highly unlikely the Krafts would let him do so anyway. These guys are hardwired to avoid tanking. Since it's not possible to predict the future, it's fair to say that neither BB nor the Krafts want the season to conclude at 8-9 with a depleted secondary giving away the final game of the season.

Given that the cost is so low, and the significant injuries to Marcus Jones, Jack Jones, and Gonzalez, this move is easily a no-brainer.
 
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CoffeeNerdness said:
As opposed to being able to trade from a position of strength as a 1-3 team with apocalyptic injuries all over the defense? Of course they are desperate. They need bodies.
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I like JC the player but with the current legal baggage this is an odd move. He would have been great to pair with Gonzo, but alas.
 
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lexrageorge said:
I think it's safe to say that Belichick the GM is not going to tank a season after only 4 games, and it's also highly unlikely the Krafts would let him do so anyway. These guys are hardwired to avoid tanking. Since it's not possible to predict the future, it's fair to say that neither BB nor the Krafts want the season to conclude at 8-9 with a depleted secondary giving away the final game of the season.

Given that the cost is so low, and the significant injuries to Marcus Jones, Jack Jones, and Gonzalez, this move is easily a no-brainer.
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They won’t intentionally tank, but considering the state of the roster, the might not have to in order to get a top-five pick.
 
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I like the move. In a league hell-bent on parity, you make moves until your team is mathematically eliminated.
Right now, I see 8-9 teams that have a realistic shot at winning the Super Bowl. Those numbers could change in a single weekend with a couple of key injuries.
Then again, WTF do I know?
Field a team, play the games...and I'll watch when I have nothing better to do.
 
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Well, so they can win more games than they would have otherwise, yes. If you think BB has given up on the season, you're wrong.
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He clearly hasn't given up on the season, but as they say, it's getting late early. Looking forward to him turning it around and winning the SB this year!
 
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It's a very low price punt on a guy and if they turn him around they could get another year or two out of him Jamie Collins style
 
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It's a very low price punt on a guy and if they turn him around they could get another year or two out of him Jamie Collins style
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It’ll be great to see what kind of societal damage JC and Jack Jones can do together. From a talent standpoint, the 2024 secondary will have a lot of talent if BB can get JC back on track.

Gonzo
Jon Jones
M Jones
Jack Jones
Jackson

That would be a ton of playmaking ability. On paper, at least. I’m guessing that old JC is probably gone at this point.
 
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While this might be true of some positions, I'm not sure I buy the idea a cornerback just "doesnt fit" with a team. If you can cover your man, you will fit. If you can't, you wont. He was injured/bad for the Chargers, nothing more to it than that.
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I think it absolutely applies to DBs. Zone DBs have more to process mentally, but maybe less to do physically. They’re defending a spot and reading the backfield. The rules change a lot depending on the coverage called and what happens post snap.

A man coverage DB has less to think about (line up across from receiver X or Z and cover) but more to do physically.

JC is a press man corner. I never thought for a second he was going to fit in Staley’s defense.
 
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I'd be fine with saving the 1.5 million and tanking. 1.5 million is not a lot, but it's also not nothing. Not because I think tanking is a guaranteed road to success. But just because I'd really like to see what Bill might do with a top 5 pick in each round. I'm not even sure how to calculate such a thing, but I bet if you were able to figure out teams' average draft position (starting before trades) during the BB era, we would have the highest number in the league and it probably wouldn't be close. I'd really just like to see what Bill might be able to do, and have that feeling of what it would be like to look at mock drafts and be excited about the guys at the very top. And not just in the first round.

Of course, that is all based on my superior football prognostication skills and my determination that we are probably barely a 6-win team. I understand those who would say that in the NFL in 2023 you can't think that way at the quarter mark, and those people are probably right.

It will be fine either way. This is clearly a band aid, but I suppose seeing the team compete and maybe even picking off a big win against the Bills or something is worth rooting for.
 
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DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
I'd be fine with saving the 1.5 million and tanking. 1.5 million is not a lot, but it's also not nothing. Not because I think tanking is a guaranteed road to success. But just because I'd really like to see what Bill might do with a top 5 pick in each round. I'm not even sure how to calculate such a thing, but I bet if you were able to figure out teams' average draft position (starting before trades) during the BB era, we would have the highest number in the league and it probably wouldn't be close. I'd really just like to see what Bill might be able to do, and have that feeling of what it would be like to look at mock drafts and be excited about the guys at the very top. And not just in the first round.

Of course, that is all based on my superior football prognostication skills and my determination that we are probably barely a 6-win team. I understand those who would say that in the NFL in 2023 you can't think that way at the quarter mark, and those people are probably right.

It will be fine either way. This is clearly a band aid, but I suppose seeing the team compete and maybe even picking off a big win against the Bills or something is worth rooting for.
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It’s our beloved Bill. He’d take a consensus 39th pick at 5. Not that it’s wrong, but of all the people in the world to tank and then harvest too talent I’d probably put him in the lower percentile of leveraging it.
 
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It’s our beloved Bill. He’d take a consensus 39th pick at 5. Not that it’s wrong, but of all the people in the world to tank and then harvest too talent I’d probably put him in the lower percentile of leveraging it.
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Shit -- you're probably right. Or trade down.
 
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DennyDoyle'sBoil said:
I'd be fine with saving the 1.5 million and tanking. 1.5 million is not a lot, but it's also not nothing. Not because I think tanking is a guaranteed road to success. But just because I'd really like to see what Bill might do with a top 5 pick in each round. I'm not even sure how to calculate such a thing, but I bet if you were able to figure out teams' average draft position (starting before trades) during the BB era, we would have the highest number in the league and it probably wouldn't be close. I'd really just like to see what Bill might be able to do, and have that feeling of what it would be like to look at mock drafts and be excited about the guys at the very top. And not just in the first round.

Of course, that is all based on my superior football prognostication skills and my determination that we are probably barely a 6-win team. I understand those who would say that in the NFL in 2023 you can't think that way at the quarter mark, and those people are probably right.

It will be fine either way. This is clearly a band aid, but I suppose seeing the team compete and maybe even picking off a big win against the Bills or something is worth rooting for.
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If they're so bad they have a top five pick, there's an excellent chance that Bill is gone.
 
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AlNipper49 said:
It’s our beloved Bill. He’d take a consensus 39th pick at 5. Not that it’s wrong, but of all the people in the world to tank and then harvest too talent I’d probably put him in the lower percentile of leveraging it.
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People say this, but Bill has been scratch or pretty close to scratch with every high pick he's had. He often departs in the late first/2nd rounds, but his top 20 picks are:
  • 2001 (#6) - Richard Seymour (across the board viewed as a top 10 talent)
  • 2003 (#13) - Ty Warren (was expected to go mid 1st)
  • 2008 (#10) - Jerod Mayo (expected to go top 10-15)
  • 2011 (#17) - Nate Solder (mid first grade)
  • 2021 (#15) - Mac Jones (mid first round grade and was discussed as a top 10 guy)
  • 2023 (#17) - Christian Gonzalez (was expected to go top 10)
None of this should be too surprising as the industry/media is going to get pretty good insight into where the top 15-20 guys are going to go, but less so the farther down draft boards people go.
 
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That’s a great deal based on on the field and our needs

But off the field combined not sure
 
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I think it absolutely applies to DBs. Zone DBs have more to process mentally, but maybe less to do physically. They’re defending a spot and reading the backfield. The rules change a lot depending on the coverage called and what happens post snap.

A man coverage DB has less to think about (line up across from receiver X or Z and cover) but more to do physically.

JC is a press man corner. I never thought for a second he was going to fit in Staley’s defense.
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I'm sure I was being too dogmatic, but I just thought the tweet was worded in a very generous way towards JC. He was very injured and very bad. That was 90+% of the problem.

If he was playing well or even half decent (even if it was mainly in man) I have to assume they would have found a way to use him.
 
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nolasoxfan said:
I like the move. In a league hell-bent on parity, you make moves until your team is mathematically eliminated.
Right now, I see 8-9 teams that have a realistic shot at winning the Super Bowl. Those numbers could change in a single weekend with a couple of key injuries.
Then again, WTF do I know?
Field a team, play the games...and I'll watch when I have nothing better to do.
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New Pats marketing slogan. Right out of the late 80s and early 90s.
 
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This was a no-brainer last week. A former top-ish Patriots CB who was a healthy scratch elsewhere? Bring him back, esp given the Jones boys injuries. Now that Gonzo is...potentially gone-zo...sign me up. Even with all the recent baggage, even with his not having worked out with the LAC, in my view it's a GREAT trade. And they gave up basically nothing in draft comp.
 
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Interested to see the reworked deal. Honestly, if we can structure his contract so that he'd be an easy cut, I'm all for it. I don't think he's washed, and he could make a very good CB unit unbelievable over the next few seasons if the cards fall right.

Get him here, make him cuttable, see what he looks like. If he's solid - shut his ass down for the season and come back next season with a solid core of guys.
 
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JCJ has been bad enough since decamping for Southern California that I would rather have plucked a CB off someone’s practice squad.

The money isn’t material, though, so whatever. I don’t think JCJ is more than a warm body, but neither is anyone else they could have gotten for a similar price. And they do need warm bodies in that secondary.
 
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Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Interested to see the reworked deal. Honestly, if we can structure his contract so that he'd be an easy cut, I'm all for it. I don't think he's washed, and he could make a very good CB unit unbelievable over the next few seasons if the cards fall right.

Get him here, make him cuttable, see what he looks like. If he's solid - shut his ass down for the season and come back next season with a solid core of guys.
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Seems like a great way to make players never want to sign with your team in the future
 
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Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Interested to see the reworked deal. Honestly, if we can structure his contract so that he'd be an easy cut, I'm all for it. I don't think he's washed, and he could make a very good CB unit unbelievable over the next few seasons if the cards fall right.

Get him here, make him cuttable, see what he looks like. If he's solid - shut his ass down for the season and come back next season with a solid core of guys.
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Spotrac says NEP are on the hook for 1.56MM this year and then an obvious cut.
 
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scottyno said:
Seems like a great way to make players never want to sign with your team in the future
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Eh. This is the NFL, players take the big bag almost every time, not to mention that teams treat players going through performance and/or injury issues like distressed assets left and right.
 
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People say this, but Bill has been scratch or pretty close to scratch with every high pick he's had. He often departs in the late first/2nd rounds, but his top 20 picks are:
  • 2001 (#6) - Richard Seymour (across the board viewed as a top 10 talent)
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Not quite across the board.


Even in 2001 BB was stuck in the past not knowing that the way to win at football is with top end WRs.
 
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ZMart100 said:
Not quite across the board.


Even in 2001 BB was stuck in the past not knowing that the way to win at football is with top end WRs.
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I remember at the draft party that year people including me booing the non receiver pick lol.
 
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ZMart100 said:
Not quite across the board.


Even in 2001 BB was stuck in the past not knowing that the way to win at football is with top end WRs.
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I remember that. Borges and Bledsoe were quite close - there's a reason he focused on offensive players specifically.
 
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Rico Guapo said:
A late round pick swap is almost worthless and they were running out of bodies in the secondary, not a great trade but I think it's a little harsh to call it a waste.
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Agreed. They can cut him in the offseason and it wont cost anything against the cap. Taking a flier on a 27 year old that knows your system and was an all-pro 1 season ago for a 7th round pick is exactly the type of move Id want this team to make.
 
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In related news, Chargers GM reportedly apologized to the team for signing Jackson and giving him so many opportunities.

Telesco told the group that signing Jackson was a mistake, according to multiple team sources. He apologized for continuing to give Jackson opportunities, despite Jackson routinely showing that he wasn't as committed as the rest of the team while being one of the Chargers' highest paid players.

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Many within the organization believed Jackson approached practices with a "lackadaisical" attitude and didn't respond well to coaching, according to team sources.
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Rico Guapo said:
A late round pick swap is almost worthless and they were running out of bodies in the secondary, not a great trade but I think it's a little harsh to call it a waste.
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No kidding, though he probably wanted them to not try to get a functional corner to increase their chances of losing.
 
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It's kind of incredible he's ended up in this situation given he must have had to work his ass off to make it as an undrafted player in the first place. He's on a quick path out of the league at this rate.
 
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It's kind of incredible he's ended up in this situation given he must have had to work his ass off to make it as an undrafted player in the first place. He's on a quick path out of the league at this rate.
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There is a reason why he was an undrafted player in the first place after being a four-star recruit to UF:

https://www.gainesville.com/story/news/crime/2015/04/19/uf-football-player-j-c/31129186007/

https://www.naplesnews.com/story/sports/nfl/2018/09/07/j-c-jackson-immokalee-goes-undrafted-new-england-patriots/1225628002/
 
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The team sucks anyway. Find a DB on a practice squad that wants to put in effort.
 
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Belichick finally on board with the tank job. Maybe Christian Barmore or some other of our best players can "show up late" to the hotel for the Giants game. ;)
 
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Could Jackson not be allowed to travel out of the country given his legal troubles?
 
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