https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/01/25/draft-shrine-game-grades-vernon-adams-shines-in-west-win/One of the great joys of the all-star circuit is seeing prospects from small school step up to the challenge of top competition, and at this year’s Shrine Game that player was Stony Brook’s OLB Victor Ochi. He was the top pass rusher in the game (+2.6), as he racked up a sack, a hit and three hurries. He also had three run stops, but did take a costly offsides penalty on a 4th-and-short play. Despite the penalty, Ochi was one of the real standouts of the game and certainly elevated his stock.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25457310/shrine-game-five-prospects-who-created-buzz-among-nfl-scoutsThe Stony Brook Seawolves have never had a player selected in the NFL Draft, but Ochi, who routinely stood out during Shrine practices, could change that. He has terrific first-step quickness to fire off the snap and power past the blocker's shoulder to the pocket. Ochi isn't twitchy and shows some tightness in his movements, but he's athletic and plays with the high motor.
At only 6-1, Ochi obviously lacks ideal height, but he has longer arms (33 1/2-inch) than most players his size, shooting his limbs at the point of attack and using his violent hands to fend off blockers. His lack of ideal measureables will take him off the board for several teams, but he has the talent to contribute in sub-package situations and a smart defensive coordinator will figure out how to use his strengths.
Thanks, Red. Now, is BB still looking for those taller & bigger LBs? HT is just a little bit bigger at 6'3" and 260.Little bit of tooting my own horn, but I think the Patriots should look at Stony Brook's Victor Ochi as a situational pass rusher. He's a high motor, athletic player who reminds me of Bruce Irvin. 6'1" and 244 lbs so undersized. He went to the East-West Shrine Game and had a sack and 3 or 4 pressures. He's not a prototypical Belchick draft pick...
Ochi's more of an edge rusher than an off-ball linebacker, and he's definitely small for a 4-3 DE.Thanks, Red. Now, is BB still looking for those taller & bigger LBs? HT is just a little bit bigger at 6'3" and 260.
Actually, Ochi sounds like he has carbon-copy measurements for a certain Patriots HoF linebacker who was undersized and had a high motor. What about his instincts in recognizing plays?
I agree the Smith and Jack will be gone - and if they're not, it probably means their medicals are really bad - but I think it's fascinating philosophical question. If you're the Pats, do you take a risk first-round talent who slips for off-field / medical reasons with the idea that you need to "steal" a first-rounder, or do you go conservative figuring that, with no first-round pick, you can't afford to miss on your second-rounder?http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/23/mayock-a-healthy-jaylon-smith-may-have-been-no-1-pick/
Curious from the smarty pants crowd's POV - any chance the injuries to Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack will push them out of the first round? I assume it'll take a big jump up, even if they fall to round two, but I'm just wondering about the possibility of landing a first round talent by rolling the dice a bit when the Patriots finally get to pick. I'm assuming these two are/were such hot prospects that even the injuries won't push them that far.
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They were fine taking a risky player, medically, in Easley in the first round therefore I don't see the thought process changing with a second round pick even with it being their first selection.I agree the Smith and Jack will be gone - and if they're not, it probably means their medicals are really bad - but I think it's fascinating philosophical question. If you're the Pats, do you take a risk first-round talent who slips for off-field / medical reasons with the idea that you need to "steal" a first-rounder, or do you go conservative figuring that, with no first-round pick, you can't afford to miss on your second-rounder?
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14851844/rico-gathers-baylor-bears-arrange-private-workouts-nfl-teamsBaylor all-conference forward Rico Gathers is trying to become the latest basketball player to transition to the NFL, and already is drawing the attention of teams.
"Football has been in my heart," Gathers told ESPN on Friday.
Gathers plans to arrange a private workout for NFL teams on an off basketball day or after Baylor's basketball season ends. He had wanted to work out for NFL teams at Baylor's Pro Day on March 16, but he will be playing in a basketball tournament.
Still, Gathers now seems determined to try to follow Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gates, Jimmy Graham, Julius Thomas and others to become the latest in a long line of college basketball players who have transitioned to tight end in the NFL.
"I feel like it's a natural fit for me," Gathers said.
Gathers last played football when he was 14 years old, but at 6-foot-6, 275 pounds would be an imposing and inviting target for teams. One NFL team said Thursday it is interested in helping Gathers -- whose father is the cousin of the late Hank Gathers -- transition to tight end and the league.
Well, until Henry did the 3-cone and put up a time a full half-second slower than Miller. Miller dominated the agility drills; Henry only did the 3-cone and didn't do well. But he probably made himself some money with this 40 and jumps.
This is pretty crazy. Derrick Henry has the exact same combine stats and measurables as Von Miller did 5 years ago
Could the Pats trade away their first round pick to some other team? The clause stating that if an acquired pick is higher, they lose the higher one means the pick hasn't vanished, it's just not allowed to be used by the Patriots while it's their highest pick. That doesn't stop some other team from using it if it's traded to them, right?
There is no such thing for a few reasons.Theoretically, would this have prevented the Patriots from making an offer on a restricted free agent where the compensation was a first round draft pick?
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1983624/karl-josephPound-for-pound one of the most physical players in the country, and plays much tougher than he looks. He loves violent contact and times his hits well to jar the ball loose. He plays fast and low to the ground to generate his power as a tackler, using leverage and reckless abandon as a finisher.
Joseph has quick reflexes to make explosive decisions and movements, shooting out of a cannon with an aggressive play style and never attacking half-speed. He strikes through his target and is a big hit waiting to happen.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2016S.php#Xf97Ug3oc7jq8M0c.99Joseph was having a tremendous 2015 season before a knee injury in practice ended his year after only four games. At the time of the injury, the senior was tied for the lead in the nation with five interceptions. He also had 20 tackles, one sack and one pass breakup.
Joseph was displaying nice coverage skills to go along with being a physical enforcer and good tackler. If it weren't for the injury, he would be in contention to be a first-round pick in the 2016 NFL Draft.
Has anyone ever taken the time to track them se players who the Pats worked out pre-draft? I wonder what percentage of them end up being drafted (or signed as un drafted FAs).Some players via Doug Kyed that the Patriots have been visiting, working out, or meeting with.
USC LB Su'a Cravens--meeting
Georgia OLB Jordan Jenkins--workout
UTSA TE David Morgan--workout
Michigan State DT's Joel Heath and Lawrence Thomas--workouts
ND S Elijah Shumate--workout
Hampton OT Torian White
Michgan LB Desmond Morgan--meeting
Georgia DE Sterling Bailey--private meeting with Belichick and Patricia
Cal TE/WR Stephen Anderson--workout
UCLA WR Devin Fuller--workout
Rich Hill @PatsPulpit does stuff like this. I would not be surprised if he had the raw data. Email him or tweet at him. An incredibly nice guy, and good site for you Pats-only fanatics.Has anyone ever taken the time to track them se players who the Pats worked out pre-draft? I wonder what percentage of them end up being drafted (or signed as un drafted FAs).
After converting the German as a TE, watch the Patriots startle the league by going 4 TEs on regular downs with Gronk, Bennett, Harbor, and Boehringer.6th rounder? I could see the patriots taking a flyer on him with one of their multiple late round picks. Low risk, high reward.
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What's your vision for what they would look for in a draft DB? Looking at the roster, they've got Butler and Ryan as starters, and second-year guys Justin Coleman and Darryl Roberts for the nickel role. They just signed E.J. Biggers, as well. That seems fine to me. So would a draftee be pure depth, a special teamer / developmental fifth or sixth corner, or someone who provides a different skill set than the top three or four guys? For instance, at 6'2" Deiondre' Hall of Northern Iowa would bring size they don't have with their other DBs. My other thought is someone like Jalen Mills, Sean Davis, or DeAndre Houston-Carson, all of whom have experience at both corner and safety, could provide depth in multiple roles. But I'm not sure they need to add anyone back there.I think that's right. Second round players often have upside that they haven't fully tapped.
Jones to me is a versatile CB/S. He's got the athleticism to be a good cover corner, but his technique needs work. I like his aggressive and physical play. Also, I think Alabama asks a lot at that position. Here are a few other interesting players that are closer to pure CBs.
Height also helps in 50/50 balls downfield, though it can been compensated for with wingspan and jumping ability. But I think you're right that it's been overrated. Somewhere buried on my to-do list is an analysis of which quantitative factors lead to cornerbacks being overdrafted - it certainly seems like teams pay a premium for height and 40 time and there are bargains to be found among the 5'10"-5'11" guys who run in the 4.5s. For what it's worth, the Pats already seem to have a bunch of guys like this, which may speak to a market inefficiency or a need to diversify for practical reasons. They had Jimmy Jean in camp last year, and Browner obviously in 2014, so it's not like they don't value size at all.I don't think height is a particularly valuable DB quality. On the one hand, height probably correlates with arm length and weight, which helps when jamming a receiver. On the other hand, it probably works against a player when they have rotate their hips from a backpedal. When I look at Deiondre' Hall, his measurables certainly fit the bill. However, I don't see what he does well on film. He's neither particularly good in run support nor in coverage from what I've seen.
Isn't Chung this guy? He matches up on TE a lot and I think he's been a revelation in that role. He seems much more comfortable in man-to-man coverage than he ever did in zone.I do think the Patriots are still looking for the big DB/LB hybrid that can match up against spread TEs. It seems like they have tried to find big safeties to fill that role (Tank Williams for example). That said, I don't have a good grasp of what that positional standard would look like.
I watched four or five of his games (profile here) and I think his tackling is in line with most college safeties. The intriguing things with DAHC are a) he played cornerback earlier in his college career and b) he's a great special teamer. He blocked something like seven punts and FGs in his W&M career. Special teams are pretty key for what would probably be an eighth or ninth DB. He had a lousy Combine, though (probably why he didn't show up in your search).I hadn't looked at Houston-Carson because he doesn't fit the athletic profile I look for when I narrow my search, but he's close. Watching the Villanova highlights, I'm not sure he's good enough of a tackler to fit at NFL safety.
You seem to have done a lot of looking into the draft. Have you considered writing for ITP?Darius Jackson - Eastern Michigan 6'1" 220 lbs (Pro Day) 4.40 40, 4.35 shuttle, 41 vertical, 133" broad, 6.82 3 cone, 4.27 shuttle
Good power with a little wiggle. Not asked to do much in the passing game. 3rd round talent (I know I'm probably alone on this). (Highlights)