Patriots' 2024 Free Agency Thread

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Evan Lazar seems to think there's a chance Patriots could get a starter at #34 (and, obviously) if we do a slight trade-up from there), but that's right around when starter-level tackle guys fall off. Meanwhile, impact WRs can still be had after that, even n the top 100. I continue to believe the Patriots should go...

Round 1) QB
Round 2) OT
Round 3) WR
 

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It certainly would be interesting to know how the Patriots view Maye/Daniels compared to McCarthy/etc. If they think they are the same, trading down could kill two birds with one stone.
 

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It certainly would be interesting to know how the Patriots view Maye/Daniels compared to McCarthy/etc. If they think they are the same, trading down could kill two birds with one stone.
I think McCarthy's stock has risen too much for them to get him with a trade down.
 

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It certainly would be interesting to know how the Patriots view Maye/Daniels compared to McCarthy/etc. If they think they are the same, trading down could kill two birds with one stone.
how far are you trading down is the question because... 6 is probably the highest team looking to move up, and you go there you might miss out.
 

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To move from 34 to 25, which is where I think you need to be if you want a realistic chance at a decent OT, is 140 points on the chart, which equals a mid to lower 3d round pick.

The Patriots don't really have a mid to lower third round pick to give, so they'd have to do something like trading their third for another team's high fourth or something like that. Or give future year compensation.

It feels to me like they have too many needs. If an OT that they like drops to like 28 or 29 and they want to start thinking seriously about it, that might make some sense. But otherwise I really want them to stand pat. They can get three impact players this year if they hang on to that second and third round pick.
 
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The Pats got Nate Solder at pick 17 and Matt Light at pick 48. Don't recall if they were instant starters, but if they weren't they were early in their careers.
Light wasn’t an opening day starter (Grant Williams was) but took over early in 2001

Solder played RT in his rookie year
 

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My ideal tackle setup is they sign someone this year (Williams or Smith) draft Suamataia at 34, and he takes over one of the tackle spots in 2025 with Onwenu kicking in to guard (maybe Strange to C?) and the team looks really strong there suddenly. (I'd either stay at 68 or move up into the late 2nd for my WR... Pearsall, McMillan, Polk, etc.)
 

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So, what are we going to do about LT? Unless they use #3 on an LT, it would be pretty unlikely anyone they draft would be able to come in and start, right? Or, how low can you go in the draft and still get a day 1 starting LT in the NFL? I'd think not outside the top 10, right?
There are 6 tackles in the high end bracket. One of them could absolutely he available.
 
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All this talk of JJ McCarty rising up is crazy to me. The people that I read and listen to seem to feel pretty strongly that:

A) You can't just look at his performance at the combine, but...
B) ...his performance at the combine, particular his throwing, was not great, and...
C) ...watching the tape, he did a lot of the same things in games (sailing passes, overthrowing receivers) that you saw during his throwing sessions at the combine.

He's not terrible, just not remotely in the same tier as Maye/Daniels. Obviously, nobody really knows how it'll turn out, I sure as hell don't, I just read and listen, so who knows? But my sense is that Maye/Daniels are worth the inherent gamble of taking a QB that high, as opposed to trading down. JJ McCarthy isn't. Guess we'll find out!
 

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There are 6 tackles in the high end bracket. One of them could absolutely he available.
could probably make the case for 9 or even 10 guys being likely starting OT by some point in 2024 (depends how you feel about Morgan and Barton at T v. guard or center with arms just under 33inches) then a second tier of developmental but possibly ready sometime in 2024 (Paul, Amegadjie, Fisher, Puni even maybe Rosengarden though he's more likely a 2025 guy).
 

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Patriots are really loading up on NLTBE incentives. $17m for Bourne. $5m for Uche. $4m for Brissett. It is hard to know how easy these incentives may be. These are all players with moderate playing time last year so it is hard to know. But just a thing to keep in mind when they start talking about 2025 cap space — might look artificially low.
 

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could probably make the case for 9 or even 10 guys being likely starting OT by some point in 2024 (depends how you feel about Morgan and Barton at T v. guard or center with arms just under 33inches) then a second tier of developmental but possibly ready sometime in 2024 (Paul, Amegadjie, Fisher, Puni even maybe Rosengarden though he's more likely a 2025 guy).
Fwiw I think that Morgan is so physical and athletic that his arm length is easy to overcome. I see Barton as a likely guard, but an extremely good one.
 

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Patriots are really loading up on NLTBE incentives. $17m for Bourne. $5m for Uche. $4m for Brissett. It is hard to know how easy these incentives may be. These are all players with moderate playing time last year so it is hard to know. But just a thing to keep in mind when they start talking about 2025 cap space — might look artificially low.
The use of so much NLTBE is a bit weird for the Pats position.
They have the space, so why push it off to next year?

Starting to wonder what we are doing, I get not overpaying, but the team has holes.

I believed that last years team was closer to the playoffs than almost anyone else on this board, but that belief was centered on using the capspace to fix the holes. It would be nice if they would start doing that...
 

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I would overpay on Ridley. Whether he is here or productive when we become a playoff team again doesnt matter. A rookie QB will need a decent receiver on the field to learn with and from. Someone to keep moving the chains keeping him on the field. You have to give the rookie pieces to learn whether they are here or not when we compete is redundant. We dont want a rookie throwing three and out to the likes of JuJu and gaining no real expierience
 

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Their signings have been fine so far, but other than the obvious QB need, I really hope they find themselves an actual bonafide #1 WR.
 

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Their signings have been fine so far, but other than the obvious QB need, I really hope they find themselves an actual bonafide #1 WR.
WR, OT and FS are still their biggest needs I think. I don't see any bonafide top line guys out there for any of those positions. I'm kind of interested in Keenan Allen. I know he's getting old and has had injuries but that will be reflected in his low acquisition cost and contract. He's never been fast; maybe he can have an Anquon Boldin type tail to his career. He's been very productive and plays smart. Not a #1 now but he was at one point and maybe that helps the development of the younger guys.
 

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WR, OT and FS are still their biggest needs I think. I don't see any bonafide top line guys out there for any of those positions. I'm kind of interested in Keenan Allen. I know he's getting old and has had injuries but that will be reflected in his low acquisition cost and contract. He's never been fast; maybe he can have an Anquon Boldin type tail to his career. He's been very productive and plays smart. Not a #1 now but he was at one point and maybe that helps the development of the younger guys.
Agreed. Similar to DeAndre Hopkins last year. I’d like to see them trade for Allen, sign Marquise Brown in FA, and then draft someone in Rounds 2-3 this year. Really need to do a lot more at this position.

Allen
Brown
Bourne
Douglas
2024 draft pick
Thornton

Then, sign Tyron Smith to be LT and you have a good foundation for Maye/Daniels.
 

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Impressed so far that every deal they have signed has seemed to be fair if not below market. While under BB the Pats rarely went gangbusters, I still found myself scratching my head at a bunch of the smaller deals. BB is obviously way smarter at football than I am so it was always in BB I trust, but so far it's been a refreshing change of pace.

But they still need high end OT and WR. Realize the draft is a huge piece of this too.
 

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Right now the WR room is:

Thornton
Douglas
Bourne
Boutte
JuJu

and the TEs are:

Henry
Hooper

and the RBs are:

Stevenson
Gibson

Who am I missing?
 

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The good news with these re-signings is that the team doesn't have to patch holes just to tread water. Still players available to them that can help upgrade the roster, and then the draft. Normally, we don't get excited by so many players returning from a 4-13 team, but among their UFA's were some solid contributors, some of which would have been difficult to replace (Onwenu in particular, but players like Uche can cost a lot to replace as well).
 

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Right now the WR room is:

Thornton
Douglas
Bourne
Boutte
JuJu
Reagor

and the TEs are:

Henry
Hooper
Sokol??

and the RBs are:

Stevenson
Gibson

Who am I missing?
Bolded the ones that you may have missed.

I expect that at least 2 of those WRs will not be on the Opening Day roster. It is still the weakest unit on the team, and among one of the weakest in the league.
 

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The good news with these re-signings is that the team doesn't have to patch holes just to tread water. Still players available to them that can help upgrade the roster, and then the draft. Normally, we don't get excited by so many players returning from a 4-13 team, but among their UFA's were some solid contributors, some of which would have been difficult to replace (Onwenu in particular, but players like Uche can cost a lot to replace as well).
Yes. Using the draft as wood putty is doable, but replacing the holes via retention and FA acquisition allows them to draft for quality. Nobody disputes that there must be upgrades at QB, OT, and WR.
 

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WR, OT and FS are still their biggest needs I think. I don't see any bonafide top line guys out there for any of those positions. I'm kind of interested in Keenan Allen. I know he's getting old and has had injuries but that will be reflected in his low acquisition cost and contract. He's never been fast; maybe he can have an Anquon Boldin type tail to his career. He's been very productive and plays smart. Not a #1 now but he was at one point and maybe that helps the development of the younger guys.
Keenan Allen is only not a number one in the same way that we only call like a half dozen pitchers #1s on the main board. Last year was actually the second most productive year of his career despite only playing 13 games. He was 11th in receiving yardage last year and 4th in yards/game. He had games of 175 and 215 yards - he can still take over a game. PFF (yes, I know) graded him out as the #11 receiver in the league. He doesn’t solve the Pats WR problems for the next half decade, but he’s a massive upgrade over anyone they have or any of the current FA options.
 

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Right now the WR room is:

Thornton
Douglas
Bourne
Boutte
JuJu

and the TEs are:

Henry
Hooper

and the RBs are:

Stevenson
Gibson

Who am I missing?
Reagor and TJ Luther at WR
Harris, Hasty and Vaughn at RB
Pettway at TE

Other than Reagor no guaranteed money there and all but Hast and Harris are futures contracts
 

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It looks like the Pats still have $55 million (!) in cap space. I can’t help but wonder if they don’t get Ridley if they have some kind of backup deal tentatively in place with another team. They still have a ton of space and I am not upset that they are biding their time to make sure they use it on the right guys.
 

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Still a really big number. Awesome. Today could get frothy with cuts/trades.
They could've spread Onwenu's cap hit out evenly, but they didn't, ($11M this season, jumping to $20M next) so hopefully they have a plan for that.
 

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They could've spread Onwenu's cap hit out evenly, but they didn't, ($11M this season, jumping to $20M next) so hopefully they have a plan for that.
My guess is they want to leave enough space to bring in a vet OT this year, likely on a short deal, and they are banking on drafting for the position and having it be relatively low cost in 2025.
 

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That's a lot of money to fill holes with. I'm up for a big, short-term offer to Tyron Smith - like 2 years, so that they can draft a couple of OT this year and when Smith's contract expires, they're more than ready to go. They have the cap space.

I might sign Ridley too. I am not a crazy big fan, but he's better than what they have. If they can't or won't sign him, I don't love the WR FA market. Might kick the tires on Curtis Samuel, who is kind of a Deebo-lite kind of player (as far as I can tell). I might also consider (and I know this may sound crazy) signing Michael Thomas to a 1-year deal. He's been massively injury prone the last four seasons, and might 100% be cooked, but I'd at least bring him in for a look. See what he's got left, if anything. Because obviously he's talented.
 

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Judon tweeted at Marquise Brown. I might see what his market looks like. Still might be a trade candidate out there we haven't identified.
 

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I think they'll structure most of the deals this year with conservative year 1 numbers, then if they have a lot of space left, they'll frontload the extensions and give those guys more money this year. That way you aren't hindering your chances of getting any trade candidate where you HAVE to take the cap hit this year, but then once you're done you can slide money into this year from what you planned for next year.
 

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That's a lot of money to fill holes with. I'm up for a big, short-term offer to Tyron Smith - like 2 years, so that they can draft a couple of OT this year and when Smith's contract expires, they're more than ready to go. They have the cap space.

I might sign Ridley too. I am not a crazy big fan, but he's better than what they have. If they can't or won't sign him, I don't love the WR FA market. Might kick the tires on Curtis Samuel, who is kind of a Deebo-lite kind of player (as far as I can tell). I might also consider (and I know this may sound crazy) signing Michael Thomas to a 1-year deal. He's been massively injury prone the last four seasons, and might 100% be cooked, but I'd at least bring him in for a look. See what he's got left, if anything. Because obviously he's talented.
Tyron Smith on a short deal just makes a whole lot of sense for this team. Fills a big need and allows the team to draft/develop his replacement instead of relying on a rookie to protect Maye/Daniels.
 

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If Ridley goes back to Jacksonville, I think the best WR alternative is to sign both Jonah Williams and Tyron Smith so you can use #34 on a WR.
 

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If Ridley goes back to Jacksonville, I think the best WR alternative is to sign both Jonah Williams and Tyron Smith so you can use #34 on a WR.
I don't hate this, but I think they'd still need to add someone like Brown or Boyd for at least some level of surety. I'd probably double dip at WR in draft in that scenario as well.
 

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Wow, Onwenu’s deal is not great. It’s basically a two year deal, with cap hits of 11, 20, and 7.5 dead. 22.5 million signing bonus and 37 guaranteed seems pretty rich for effectively a two year deal. I guess the hope is to try to extend in 2026. Surprised they backloaded given the room they have. Must still have some big targets left.
 

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Wow, Onwenu’s deal is not great. It’s basically a two year deal, with cap hits of 11, 20, and 7.5 dead. 22.5 million signing bonus and 37 guaranteed seems pretty rich for effectively a two year deal. I guess the hope is to try to extend in 2026. Surprised they backloaded given the room they have. Must still have some big targets left.
I don’t think 100m goes as far as I might have hoped - 20m for a RT and 10 for the TE etc and it evaporates quick. Having an actual pro focus just on roster is comforting, not trying to relitigate but I think the Pats roster had become very reactive and there wasn’t much of a plan I could see.

For the record, might be in minority but so far I love this off season. They resigned big O, kept the guys I cared about, added a swing tackle (or Better?) and dumped Parker…all without wasting money.

Get me an LT , WR , and QB in the draft in some order and let’s go.
 

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I’d rather them explore a trade for someone like Mike Williams or K. Allen or someone of that nature. Someone who would stand out at the #1 WR.
 

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I’d rather them explore a trade for someone like Mike Williams or K. Allen or someone of that nature. Someone who would stand out at the #1 WR.
I like Allen (Williams hasn't been good/healthy for a while) but why are we trading for a 1 year WR in their 30s?
 

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Judon tweeted at Marquise Brown. I might see what his market looks like. Still might be a trade candidate out there we haven't identified.
Has Judon ever successfully recruited anyone? Off the top of my head, In the last two weeks he's tweeted/tried to recruit Marquise Brown, Marlon Humphrey, Mike Evans, and Xavien Howard. Im pretty sure Ive heard a "Judon is recruiting player X" story at least 2 dozen times.

I don't think hes very popular.
 

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I like Allen (Williams hasn't been good/healthy for a while) but why are we trading for a 1 year WR in their 30s?
I mean, I’d rather Jefferson or Metcalf or Deebo but I can’t imagine any of them would get traded.

Also, I agree on Williams health, but he’d be far better than any other WR they have currently.
 

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I mean, I’d rather Jefferson or Metcalf or Deebo but I can’t imagine any of them would get traded.
Sure, the point was more... unless it's like a 7th, what is the point of trading something that could help the team long term for a 1 year WR bump on a team that nobody thinks is competing? I'd rather use the cap space on WRs you could get 2+ years of good production from (Brown, Boyd, etc.) who are healthier than Williams.
 

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I’d rather them explore a trade for someone like Mike Williams or K. Allen or someone of that nature. Someone who would stand out at the #1 WR.
Pretty expensive players with high cap numbers for 2024. $23.1 million for Allen and $20 million for Williams. That is a lot for a rental in what should be a growing year.
 

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Evan Lazar seems to think there's a chance Patriots could get a starter at #34 (and, obviously) if we do a slight trade-up from there), but that's right around when starter-level tackle guys fall off. Meanwhile, impact WRs can still be had after that, even n the top 100. I continue to believe the Patriots should go...

Round 1) QB
Round 2) OT
Round 3) WR
It's going to be weird and disorienting if they do exactly what everyone expects instead of going, like, QB-Trade-Trade-Trade-Safety-QB-TE-G-WR.
 

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Has Judon ever successfully recruited anyone? Off the top of my head, In the last two weeks he's tweeted/tried to recruit Marquise Brown, Marlon Humphrey, Mike Evans, and Xavien Howard. Im pretty sure Ive heard a "Judon is recruiting player X" story at least 2 dozen times.

I don't think hes very popular.
I think it's funny. And I have no idea about his popularity, but it was more to point out that Hollywood is still out there, since it seems pretty clear Ridley and the Jags are waiting til 4:01 PM to announce things.