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Offseason Thread - Betty when you call me, you can call me Al
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who is out of position? Simmons is a PG, he moves like a PG, Richardson is a 2, Harris is a 3, Horford is a 4, Embiid is a 5. That team will do just fine, when they need to go small they will. Getting run off the floor doesn't happen in the NBA, because you can't really run off makes. Teams that are big get hurt when they can't guard on the perimeter. Horford is maybe the 2nd best perimeter defending bid in the league, and Simmons and Richardson are terrific defenders on the perimeter. There is no way that losing JJ Reddick who can't play D at all is a problem.
We literally saw all 3 of them play the positions I mentioned in 2018 and play them very well. The league didn't change in a month.
Al is a backup C on that team
Dragic is staying in Miami apparently. He and Butler are 2 nice pieces.
Dragic is staying in Miami apparently. He and Butler are 2 nice pieces.
I share your basic concern, but I think you're underselling these guys a bit. They have a ton of length, which causes problems for teams and while I think they'd do well to have a quality quick guard on the roster, they have a lot of ways to cover that small gap too---they can trap, funnel the guy to the bigs, and take advantage of Richardson and Simmons' defensive skill.
Basically, what I see defensively is a really tough starting 5 that will struggle with really good ball movement and the occasional super-quick PG. But there's only a couple of those, and the length and generally good defensive DNA on the team is going to cover it most of the time. I think. They also have the young guards noted earlier in the thread to possibly help address the quickness question in certain matchups (but both are effectively rookies). You wonder a bit about switches, but again...the length and overall defensive skill is a big part of the solution there.
Offensively, I do worry about the shooting a bit---Horford really only shoots straight-away threes, Simmons won't shoot threes at all, and Embiid shouldn't. So that means Harris and Richardson are playing a lot outside, and in the corners. They 'll have to work thorugh the spacing and I don't think it's ideal, but it's a pretty strong group of players to be trying to problem-solve with too-----hard to think of a team that had three guys 6-10 and over who are as skilled passing as Horford, Simmons, Embiid.
I don't think Simmons moves like a PG, he regularly gets exposed by quick PGs because he's so tall. That is the gap in the defense right now, but otherwise I agree they can pretty much hold up as they are configured.
Wonder if the Cs have anything to do with Noel potentially rethinking his deal with OKC...timing certainly seems like that might be the case...
Phi size reminds me of the OKC team that should have beaten the Warriors but their offense has no one close to Durant.
S&T Morris for Allen do it Danny.
I think its insane that KD and KI thought that bringing in Jordan over him is best for the team. Like I know bringing in your "superstar friends" on the downside over some scrub makes some sense, but this is like the Celts bringing in Melo to take Brown's minutes to appease Kemba. Do you actually want to win?
One other big thing for PHI, Embiid has really struggled with his playoff workload, having the ability to rest him with Al Horford playing the 5 instead of a rotating collection of scrubs is a huge thing. Too often they won the Embiid minutes, but lost his off-court minutes so badly the game was lost, unlikely to happen staggering him with Al.
Agreed, in both directions having Embiid and Horford be able to cover each other is really helpful for Philly.
The benefit of all that length is that they can lose any one big and not really be impacted that much---Harris can play 4, Horford 4 and 5, Simmons can defend up to 4s.
It's a really talented and interesting roster. There's a lot of egos there and one never knows how the pieces will gel, and I guess one can worry a bit about shot-creation against good teams---they relied heavily on Butler in the playoffs and didn't replace his skillset. But Embiid is really good and they have four other quality secondary scorers, so it's hardly a team without good offensive options.
The benefit of all that length is that they can lose any one big and not really be impacted that much---Harris can play 4, Horford 4 and 5, Simmons can defend up to 4s.
It's a really talented and interesting roster. There's a lot of egos there and one never knows how the pieces will gel, and I guess one can worry a bit about shot-creation against good teams---they relied heavily on Butler in the playoffs and didn't replace his skillset. But Embiid is really good and they have four other quality secondary scorers, so it's hardly a team without good offensive options.
Olynyk is going to Dallas instead of Dragic. Dallas resigned Dwight Powell too. I wonder what that means for Kleber.
Just wait until they draft LaMelo, then they’ll have the biggest pair of balls in the NBA.
Sacramento
* I don't know where some of you are getting this idea that soon-to-be 31 year old DeAndre Jordan has turned into 36 year old Nene. His role changed last year in Dallas and the cluster that is the Knicks but he should fit in perfectly with Kyrie in the PnR offensively which was taken out of his game last season. The Nets now have a nice 2-headed monster to split the 5 for the next couple years.
* The "NBA is broken" comment is confusing as the worldwide revenue of this league is soaring to unforeseen heights. It has never been close in popularity as it is today......I don't see this steamroller slowing down anytime soon either.
* Utah is going to be really really good this year. Wow, what a job they are doing over there.
* I am going to sleep half anticipating Coach K being named as the new head guy in New Orleans. It's the only thing that makes sense.
* Yeah I'm with you on this. The Sixers put a great team together to matchup with the '87 Celtics but man, what an awfully constructed core group. They will win their share of games on talent alone but I'm expecting them to underachieve next year. Losing Butler and Redick on the perimeter are going to hurt them.....a ton of pressure on J-Rich.
* I don't know where some of you are getting this idea that soon-to-be 31 year old DeAndre Jordan has turned into 36 year old Nene. His role changed last year in Dallas and the cluster that is the Knicks but he should fit in perfectly with Kyrie in the PnR offensively which was taken out of his game last season. The Nets now have a nice 2-headed monster to split the 5 for the next couple years.
* The "NBA is broken" comment is confusing as the worldwide revenue of this league is soaring to unforeseen heights. It has never been close in popularity as it is today......I don't see this steamroller slowing down anytime soon either.
* Utah is going to be really really good this year. Wow, what a job they are doing over there.
* I am going to sleep half anticipating Coach K being named as the new head guy in New Orleans. It's the only thing that makes sense.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1145533043840626688
Sources: Golden State and Brooklyn are close to a D'Angelo Russell sign-and-trade deal to the Warriors.
wonder what GS is giving up... also, they're going to be awful close to the hard cap I think, I'll have to look it up
Sources: Golden State and Brooklyn are close to a D'Angelo Russell sign-and-trade deal to the Warriors.
wonder what GS is giving up... also, they're going to be awful close to the hard cap I think, I'll have to look it up
Did not see that coming...
Shams again: Warriors are on verge of acquiring Russell, Treveon Graham and Shabazz Napier from Brooklyn, league sources said.
Woj:
Golden State and Brooklyn have agreed on a sign-and-trade, sending D’Angelo Russell to the Warriors on a four-year, $117M maximum contract, league sources tell ESPN.
Shams again: Warriors are on verge of acquiring Russell, Treveon Graham and Shabazz Napier from Brooklyn, league sources said.
Woj:
Golden State and Brooklyn have agreed on a sign-and-trade, sending D’Angelo Russell to the Warriors on a four-year, $117M maximum contract, league sources tell ESPN.
yeah, looking at it, even if they cut everyone and renounce just about everyone, they'll be over the apron with just 8 guys, Draymond or Iggy would have to go I think
Has to be Iggy as odd man out.
Wow, the Knicks had a rough day.
Edit, more Woj:
Golden State has to unload salary elsewhere to make this sign-and-trade happen --- which means Andre Iguodala could be on the move, league sources tell ESPN.
Wow, the Knicks had a rough day.
Edit, more Woj:
Golden State has to unload salary elsewhere to make this sign-and-trade happen --- which means Andre Iguodala could be on the move, league sources tell ESPN.
yeah, someone wrote an article today about why he expected a return of the sign-and-trade this year, I'll have to see if I can find it.
Russell off the ball? Or Curry? I don't like that fit for GS. Maybe they don't sign Klay after all?
They really need Iggy's defense.
They really need Iggy's defense.
Klay already signed a max with GS earlier today: https://twitter.com/CBSSportsNBA/status/1145534622111084544
Is Ben Simmons any good as a creator in the half court? I am trying to figure out how/who creates shots on that Sixers team?
https://twitter.com/andre/status/1145536738183528449
andre
That was a fun plane ride. Awesome puzzle I put together... been working on it since Tuesday. Got it just in the Knick of time...
Looks like Iggy is suggesting that they're dumping him to the Knicks
andre
That was a fun plane ride. Awesome puzzle I put together... been working on it since Tuesday. Got it just in the Knick of time...
Looks like Iggy is suggesting that they're dumping him to the Knicks
More on the GS trade per Woj:
Golden State is trading Andre Iguodala to the Memphis Grizzlies, league source tells ESPN. Warriors are sending a 2024 protected first-round pick in the 2024 (protected 1-4), 2025 (protected 1) and 2026 unprotected.
Wow, 3 big picks. I'll guess that Memphis flips Iggy at some point and this is fine for our pick claiming prospects.
Golden State is trading Andre Iguodala to the Memphis Grizzlies, league source tells ESPN. Warriors are sending a 2024 protected first-round pick in the 2024 (protected 1-4), 2025 (protected 1) and 2026 unprotected.
Wow, 3 big picks. I'll guess that Memphis flips Iggy at some point and this is fine for our pick claiming prospects.
This is crazy, assuming report on Russell getting 4/117 just Russell, Steph, Klay, Draymond and Iguodala is 136M in salary when they're hard capped at 138.
One of Iguodala or Draymond is going to have to go, and even if they dropped Iguodala for zero salary back they'd have less than 20M to fill out the other 11 guys on the roster.
Geesh that's a massive bet on Russell.
edit: AI straight dumped to Memphis? This is wild
I knew someone would overpay for Russell but thought it would be the Knicks. GS taking a huge gamble on him at a position they already have filled.
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