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On the other hand, Dennis Schroder has earned over $75 million dollars playing NBA basketball. He chose poorly the season before last but he will be ok. He'll just have to rent in the valley.
 
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If the Suns go up for sale, or any other team, it will not go cheaply
If I were Sarver (shudder the thought of how big a pig I'd be) this is pretty much the peak time to sell with how competitive the team is now and will be in the near future. With the news cycle of players and sponsors criticizing the slap-on-the-wrist punishment this past week, and how Sarver pinches every single dollar, it must be appealing to cash the team in now even without a forced exit.

He can count his billions and cry about how he was "unfairly" forced out.
 

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If I were Sarver (shudder the thought of how big a pig I'd be) this is pretty much the peak time to sell with how competitive the team is now and will be in the near future. With the news cycle of players and sponsors criticizing the slap-on-the-wrist punishment this past week, and how Sarver pinches every single dollar, it must be appealing to cash the team in now even without a forced exit.

He can count his billions and cry about how he was "unfairly" forced out.
And I’m sure that LeBron would love to ride in on his white horse and “save” the Suns so the NBA could live happily ever after.
Is it too cynical to suspect that a narrative is being constructed?
 

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If I were Sarver (shudder the thought of how big a pig I'd be) this is pretty much the peak time to sell with how competitive the team is now and will be in the near future. With the news cycle of players and sponsors criticizing the slap-on-the-wrist punishment this past week, and how Sarver pinches every single dollar, it must be appealing to cash the team in now even without a forced exit.

He can count his billions and cry about how he was "unfairly" forced out.
He'd get more being "forced" to sell the team. So if he wanted to sell at the highest price, forcing the NBA to get rid of him is the way to pad his wallet.
 

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And I’m sure that LeBron would love to ride in on his white horse and “save” the Suns so the NBA could live happily ever after.
Is it too cynical to suspect that a narrative is being constructed?
I thought I read that a franchise in Vegas is being “saved” for LeBron once he retires. I’d rather have that completely blank slate than the Suns.
 

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And I’m sure that LeBron would love to ride in on his white horse and “save” the Suns so the NBA could live happily ever after.
Is it too cynical to suspect that a narrative is being constructed?
I don't think it would be some conspiracy necessarily...there have been 14 ownership changes since 2010. And as mentioned above, expansion teams are in the offing fairly soon. So LeBron will get plenty of opportunities whenever he wishes.
 

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Hmmm… better narrative or Vegas….better narrative or Vegas?

Vegas it is!
Better narrative? I guess but it doesn’t really fit his time line does it? He’s playing this year and he’s gone on record as saying he wants to play a year with his son. So at the earliest he’s retiring in what two maybe three or four years.

By the time he’s ready to buy a team, the narrative will be over.
 

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And I’m sure that LeBron would love to ride in on his white horse and “save” the Suns so the NBA could live happily ever after.
Is it too cynical to suspect that a narrative is being constructed?
LeBron wants the Las Vegas NBA team, and about 15 minutes after he made that declaration Silver said that the NBA had no immediate plans to expand after talking about expansion for the previous two years. FSG is going to be the owner of the Las Vegas Bronnies.
 

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I don't think it would be some conspiracy necessarily...there have been 14 ownership changes since 2010. And as mentioned above, expansion teams are in the offing fairly soon. So LeBron will get plenty of opportunities whenever he wishes.
Who do you think would get first priority from the NBA on their most prime location…….random gazillionaire who may or may not have skeletons in his closet or LeBron James?

If LeBron wants Vegas, LeBron is getting Vegas.
 

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Who do you think would get first priority from the NBA on their most prime location…….random gazillionaire who may or may not have skeletons in his closet or LeBron James?

If LeBron wants Vegas, LeBron is getting Vegas.
IDK, LeBron doesn't have actual skeletons like sexual assault, domestic abuse, etc. which would have come to light with his stardom by now. But at the same time he runs a lot of businesses and has a large team. What if someone close to him runs a toxic workplace at the sports agency, or his hand-picked director ended up going over the line during Space Jam filming, etc? That could be pinned on him as well, as it would for any owner where their management has committed wrongdoing. With an owner who made their bones in a different industry, at least the league office has the benefit of relative detachment from the league to that point.

I think your second statement is true, but not necessarily because of the first. More of a "let's have Magic Johnson buy into the Lakers because of his star power" kind of way.
 

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IDK, LeBron doesn't have actual skeletons like sexual assault, domestic abuse, etc. which would have come to light with his stardom by now. But at the same time he runs a lot of businesses and has a large team. What if someone close to him runs a toxic workplace at the sports agency, or his hand-picked director ended up going over the line during Space Jam filming, etc? That could be pinned on him as well, as it would for any owner where their management has committed wrongdoing. With an owner who made their bones in a different industry, at least the league office has the benefit of relative detachment from the league to that point.

I think your second statement is true, but not necessarily because of the first. More of a "let's have Magic Johnson buy into the Lakers because of his star power" kind of way.
These things could happen at any time to any one. My point was that the NBA and its owners have worked with LeBron and his team for two decades with a long history of it not happening with them. Familiarity and relationships matter on top of the second statement that we agree upon.
 

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No love for Draymond on the court but I love him taking on the Sarver issue head on:

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2022/09/20/draymond-green-calls-on-board-of-governors-to-vote-out-robert-sarver/
If we were being objective, Draymond should get love for his play too because he would be right at home on the 80s Cs or even the KG-era team. However I get that he is hard to take if you aren't a Dubs fan and he even irritates them on/off the court.

That said, this is a pretty bold stand. I will be surprised if a lot of other stars don't join him.

Can Sarver survive? Are the owners prepared for the fallout if he does?

The NBA...
 

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If we were being objective, Draymond should get love for his play too because he would be right at home on the 80s Cs or even the KG-era team. However I get that he is hard to take if you aren't a Dubs fan and he even irritates them on/off the court.

That said, this is a pretty bold stand. I will be surprised if a lot of other stars don't join him.

Can Sarver survive? Are the owners prepared for the fallout if he does?

The NBA...
I think it's a great idea. Let's see a public vote (we know it'll never happen) and let the owners show the players/fans exactly where they stand. It's a stars league so owners will have to listen if they reach a critical mass of star support.
 

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IDK, LeBron doesn't have actual skeletons like sexual assault, domestic abuse, etc. which would have come to light with his stardom by now. But at the same time he runs a lot of businesses and has a large team. What if someone close to him runs a toxic workplace at the sports agency, or his hand-picked director ended up going over the line during Space Jam filming, etc? That could be pinned on him as well, as it would for any owner where their management has committed wrongdoing. With an owner who made their bones in a different industry, at least the league office has the benefit of relative detachment from the league to that point.

I think your second statement is true, but not necessarily because of the first. More of a "let's have Magic Johnson buy into the Lakers because of his star power" kind of way.
Silver will give Bron what he wants, when he wants, when Bron's good and ready.

The NBA would gift him Vegas, no matter what happened on the set of Space Jam or any of his other businesses. He's an investor, he doesn't run/operate them. I can't imagine Bron has flipped a pie in one of his Blaze Pizzeria's

Hell the PGA just handed Tiger Woods the keys to the tour. That letch shot up roids and banged every tramp in Orlando for years. We don't need to go into MJ and Saint Kobe's pasts...

Greatness has its privileges. Bron is untouchable
 

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I know he took a lot of shit for the official punishment, but it would seem to me that Adam Silver played this perfectly: a long, diligent investigation, a detailed written report validating the accusations followed by a punishment and clear expression that he had done everything he could as commissioner to get the owners to move on this – putting the ball in the court of the media and the sponsors.
 

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I know he took a lot of shit for the official punishment, but it would seem to me that Adam Silver played this perfectly: a long, diligent investigation, a detailed written report validating the accusations followed by a punishment and clear expression that he had done everything he could as commissioner to get the owners to move on this – putting the ball in the court of the media and the sponsors.
Agreed. It is very, very easy to imagine he also had a sense that a minority owner might be wiling to speak up about Sarver, and that one or more sponsors might bail. He ends up with the outcome everyone (other than Sarver) wants and he does it without creating a worrisome precedent from perspective of other current owners. This is the kind of subtle leadership Roger Goodell is incapable of.
 

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Agreed. It is very, very easy to imagine he also had a sense that a minority owner might be wiling to speak up about Sarver, and that one or more sponsors might bail. He ends up with the outcome everyone (other than Sarver) wants and he does it without creating a worrisome precedent from perspective of other current owners. This is the kind of subtle leadership Roger Goodell is incapable of.
And as opposed to Silver's predecessor who was very standoffish to those outside the tight circle of ownership. Silver is fine with allowing the external social tide to find its level within the league, as opposed to having their own shadow judge and jury.
 

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And as opposed to Silver's predecessor who was very standoffish to those outside the tight circle of ownership. Silver is fine with allowing the external social tide to find its level within the league, as opposed to having their own shadow judge and jury.
Agreed, Stern was similar to Goodell---had a lot of power and used it very, very directly...though I'd argue more equitably and effectively than Ginger Hammer.

Silver is a different, and I think probably overall better, approach. Though to be fair to Stern, he's what you want in a turnaround situation.
 

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I know he took a lot of shit for the official punishment, but it would seem to me that Adam Silver played this perfectly: a long, diligent investigation, a detailed written report validating the accusations followed by a punishment and clear expression that he had done everything he could as commissioner to get the owners to move on this – putting the ball in the court of the media and the sponsors.
Agreed. It is very, very easy to imagine he also had a sense that a minority owner might be wiling to speak up about Sarver, and that one or more sponsors might bail. He ends up with the outcome everyone (other than Sarver) wants and he does it without creating a worrisome precedent from perspective of other current owners. This is the kind of subtle leadership Roger Goodell is incapable of.
Yep. I must admit to feeling a little silly for criticizing Silver's handling of this. The end result is correct. Even Lebron's public criticism of the league for not having a firmer hand could have been part of the plan. Subtle leadership indeed. He's a goat.
 

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Is there a pick involved too? I don't get this if not. Olynyk is owed 12 mill next year and Saben Lee is a nobody.
Seems like there have to be picks involved. Olynyk is under contract for an additional year so without any picks this would seem to be worse in terms of a full rebuild than just keeping Bojan this year and letting him walk or trading him at the deadline.
 

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They wanted to unload Bojan before he helped them win any games and this was the only way? It's not like they need cap space to sign LeBron next offseason.
 

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Guessing they just didn't want to win the games and there's few contracts they could trade him for on contenders. Not getting any assets back is surprising, gotta say. Olynyk will be easier to flip, but also not very likely to return very much. Perhaps they like Saben Lee?