Official Patriots 2024 Draft Pick Watch Thread (#3)

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I would love to know what folks see in Jacoby Brissett. Dude is not good. Like really not good. When he was given the starting job in Indy, playing in a climate controlled dome, he put up a 2 season record of 11-19 and QB ratings of 81.7 and 88.0. He gets sacked all the time, has no mobility left. The best thing you can say about him is he doesn't give the ball up that much, which means he might win you a few games on that alone with our defense. But, I would rather go into the season with Matthew Slater at QB, go 0-17, and try to get the #1 pick next year than bring in Jacoby and try to squeeze out 6-7 wins, because we still need a QB.
People calling Brissett a "bridge QB" are incorrect. A bridge QB is a guy we could envision starting all season because FA/draft didn't bring us anyone. He's not a bridge. He's a backup. He'd be here to get some maturity into the QB room and start a few weeks if they decide to bring a rookie QB along slowly and then help mentor that guy. If the Pats come out of FA with Brissett they are 100% drafting a QB at #3.
 

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People calling Brissett a "bridge QB" are incorrect. A bridge QB is a guy we could envision starting all season because FA/draft didn't bring us anyone. He's not a bridge. He's a backup. He'd be here to get some maturity into the QB room and start a few weeks if they decide to bring a rookie QB along slowly and then help mentor that guy. If the Pats come out of FA with Brissett they are 100% drafting a QB at #3.
I see Flacco being the better bridge 1B bet based on his play down the stretch. And he’s said that he’s looking for starting opportunities, so a clear path to QB1 plus working with AVP again might make the Pats an attractive destination.

This only makes sense if AVP is installing the same/similar offense as the Browns down the stretch, which also has to make sense for the rookie QB drafted at #3. And you also have to have the line and WR to run a system like that…
 

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People calling Brissett a "bridge QB" are incorrect. A bridge QB is a guy we could envision starting all season because FA/draft didn't bring us anyone. He's not a bridge. He's a backup. He'd be here to get some maturity into the QB room and start a few weeks if they decide to bring a rookie QB along slowly and then help mentor that guy. If the Pats come out of FA with Brissett they are 100% drafting a QB at #3.
This, exactly. Brissett is the perfect guy to sign if you want him to start 0, 2, 4, 6, or even 8 games, and be ok with benching him whenever you're ready to start the rookie.
 

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People calling Brissett a "bridge QB" are incorrect. A bridge QB is a guy we could envision starting all season because FA/draft didn't bring us anyone. He's not a bridge. He's a backup. He'd be here to get some maturity into the QB room and start a few weeks if they decide to bring a rookie QB along slowly and then help mentor that guy. If the Pats come out of FA with Brissett they are 100% drafting a QB at #3.
I'd also say, that definition of Bridge QB makes no sense to me. Bridge QB to me is the guy you get to bridge the gap until a young QB is ready. If you don't have a young QB your QB isn't a Bridge QB, he's just a QB, because he's not bridging anything because there is nothing on the other side, that's just your QB now.

Brissett is a perfect bridge QB because he's shown he can start games at a mediocre level and he's not super dependent on line play, but also he's shown he's willing to take the bench role behind young QBs. If your QB is ready day 1, he'll settle into top end backup ready when his time comes, if the QB isn't he'll start then graciously step aside when the new guy is ready.
 

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So Daniel Jeremiah was on the Rich Eisen show and had some interesting Patriots/QB related stuff.

He has not had a single team say they don't have Caleb 1, to him that's close to leaguewide.
At 2, he said more teams/scouts have Maye at 2, but it's definitely a split with Daniels.

On the Patriots... may go QB, but if they trade down it's possibly because he thinks they might be a team in for Fields using 34 and would be interested in a move down to replace that pick and stack other future picks. (so for example, basically could go from 3/34 to 6/39/47/2025 2nd, FIelds)
 

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So Daniel Jeremiah was on the Rich Eisen show and had some interesting Patriots/QB related stuff.

He has not had a single team say they don't have Caleb 1, to him that's close to leaguewide.
At 2, he said more teams/scouts have Maye at 2, but it's definitely a split with Daniels.

On the Patriots... may go QB, but if they trade down it's possibly because he thinks they might be a team in for Fields using 34 and would be interested in a move down to replace that pick and stack other future picks. (so for example, basically could go from 3/34 to 6/39/47/2025 2nd, FIelds)
If Maye goes 2 and they don't like Daniels, I don't mind that alternative with Fields. With Fields, you get 2 years to continue to build up the offense around the QB while also looking for the next long-term option.
 

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If Maye goes 2 and they don't like Daniels, I don't mind that alternative with Fields. With Fields, you get 2 years to continue to build up the offense around the QB while also looking for the next long-term option.
This is going to be tricky for the Patriots if they like one of Daniels/Maye and not the other.

Ryan Poles said today if the Bears decide to take a QB at #1, he'll look to trade Fields before free agency starts.

So the Patriots would have to trade for Fields, before even knowing whether the guy they wanted would drop to them at #3.
 

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I know that proposed trade is just speculation, but I’ll be pretty upset if they do that. I don’t think Fields+2 seconds is worth dropping past the QBs, MHJ, and Alt. I think you almost have to get another first to move further back than 4. I don’t think Fields is worth a second himself, though, so I’m biased.
 

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So Daniel Jeremiah was on the Rich Eisen show and had some interesting Patriots/QB related stuff.

He has not had a single team say they don't have Caleb 1, to him that's close to leaguewide.
At 2, he said more teams/scouts have Maye at 2, but it's definitely a split with Daniels.

On the Patriots... may go QB, but if they trade down it's possibly because he thinks they might be a team in for Fields using 34 and would be interested in a move down to replace that pick and stack other future picks. (so for example, basically could go from 3/34 to 6/39/47/2025 2nd, FIelds)
Apologies if I'm missing something in the transaction (pick swap maybe?) but otherwise Fields for 34 is atrocious.
 
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I know that proposed trade is just speculation, but I’ll be pretty upset if they do that. I don’t think Fields+2 seconds is worth dropping past the QBs, MHJ, and Alt. I think you almost have to get another first to move further back than 4. I don’t think Fields is worth a second himself, though, so I’m biased.
Decent chance Alt is there, but honestly to me I don't see a huge gap until 9 or 10, Nabers has a very good chance of being better than Harrison, the other OTs are pretty close (maybe higher upside in some cases) to Alt.
Apologies if I'm missing something in the transaction (pick swap maybe?) but otherwise Fields for 34 is atrocious.
It's what the price is going to be. Pretty consistently people have been saying they expect it to be either a really good 2nd or a 2nd and a 4th or 3rd.
I think that makes sense if you like him and don't like a QB at 3 honestly... sure less years of control, on the other hand, Fields is a much better chance of being a top QB than any QB you'd get there (Penix, Nix, etc.) and his floor is way higher, you know the minimum you're getting at the NFL level from him.
 

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I'd do that trade. Fields is wildly inconsistent, and I don't love him, but he's a talent. Plus, it seems likely either Alt or Nabors will be there at 6. If the haul for 3/34 is Fields, Alt, Polk, Junior Colson, and a 2025 #2 ... sure.
 

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Decent chance Alt is there, but honestly to me I don't see a huge gap until 9 or 10, Nabers has a very good chance of being better than Harrison, the other OTs are pretty close (maybe higher upside in some cases) to Alt.

It's what the price is going to be. Pretty consistently people have been saying they expect it to be either a really good 2nd or a 2nd and a 4th or 3rd.
I think that makes sense if you like him and don't like a QB at 3 honestly... sure less years of control, on the other hand, Fields is a much better chance of being a top QB than any QB you'd get there (Penix, Nix, etc.) and his floor is way higher, you know the minimum you're getting at the NFL level from him.
I'll never understand your take on MHJ. Nabers is slower, much smaller, and might be a Z in the NFL. He's strong as shit, but might not be able to lose guys outside at this level. MHJ imo is the most can't-miss guy in the draft.

edit: of course we'll find out eventually...
 

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This is going to be tricky for the Patriots if they like one of Daniels/Maye and not the other.

Ryan Poles said today if the Bears decide to take a QB at #1, he'll look to trade Fields before free agency starts.

So the Patriots would have to trade for Fields, before even knowing whether the guy they wanted would drop to them at #3.
Yeah, its hard to see the logistics working for a Fields to Patriots trade. Poles also said that trading Fields early would be part of "doing right" by him. I don't think you say those things and then go back on them. In the end, both the Bears and Fields himself have incentives to get the trade done prior to FA if that is the road chosen. You don't want to wait until after FA when a bunch of QB-needy teams have gone in different directions already. Bears want the highest number of teams in the bidding and Fields will probably have some input on where he goes.

I think Poles probably has set a deadline and if he doesn't receive a Godfather offer for the #1 pick by then, he'll just let interested teams know that the bidding on Fields is open and he'll make a decision within a week or so.

All this will happen prior to Washington giving any truly reliable signal about whether they want Maye or Daniels. And of course if you trade for Fields in March it completely kills your leverage in any negotiations about trading down, so you're only really protected in those negotiations if you have multiple teams aggressively trying to trade into the 3 spot and competing with each other to do so.
 

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I'll never understand your take on MHJ. Nabers is slower, much smaller, and might be a Z in the NFL. He's strong as shit, but might not be able to lose guys outside at this level. MHJ imo is the most can't-miss guy in the draft.

edit: of course we'll find out eventually...
I don't think Nabers is slower personally, it seems pretty close based on projections we won't see since neither will run. I think MHJ is the best WR in the draft, I also think that Nabers (or Odunze) is a #1 WR and the difference isn't huge and based on past WR classes development you could get the same or better production out of one of the other elite guys. I think people get way too caught up in size at WR once you get over like 6', The best WR in the league is basically the exact same size as Nabers.

I don't hate MHJ... I hate the idea of taking him at 3 over the value in moving down, most people covering the draft have the top 3 WRs as excellent prospects in their top 5 or 6 overall (some even higher).
 

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For me, it comes down to this team needing a quarterback so badly that any move that isn't taking Daniels or Maye at 3 needs to keep the door open for another crack at it in one or two years. Trading for Fields and trading back and not getting 1st round(ers) in the trade seems to me exactly how you don't do that. I can buy no real dropoff til 8 or 9 to a degree, but if not taking a big swing at quarterback I think you need to be collecting significant draft capital and getting a near sure thing. If those more in tune with the prospect world feel that's the case at 6 or 8 or whatever, I'm open to the idea, but it strikes me as a bigger risk than this team can afford right now.

I'm not one of the people here who feels like there's no value in being simply good and that you're better off being the worst team in the league than middle of the pack, but to me there's real 6-11 downside with Fields on anything but like, the 9ers roster over the next 2 years and that feels like a specifically bad spot to be for the Pats as currently constituted.
 

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For me, it comes down to this team needing a quarterback so badly that any move that isn't taking Daniels or Maye at 3 needs to keep the door open for another crack at it in one or two years. Trading for Fields and trading back and not getting 1st round(ers) in the trade seems to me exactly how you don't do that. I can buy no real dropoff til 8 or 9 to a degree, but if not taking a big swing at quarterback I think you need to be collecting significant draft capital and getting a near sure thing. If those more in tune with the prospect world feel that's the case at 6 or 8 or whatever, I'm open to the idea, but it strikes me as a bigger risk than this team can afford right now.

I'm not one of the people here who feels like there's no value in being simply good and that you're better off being the worst team in the league than middle of the pack, but to me there's real 6-11 downside with Fields on anything but like, the 9ers roster over the next 2 years and that feels like a specifically bad spot to be for the Pats as currently constituted.
well the key in that situation is you think Fields can be that guy. You don't trade for Fields unless you think he can be your QB long-term. I don't so I wouldn't do the deal, but if the Patriots did the deal it would be because they planned for Fields to be their guy.
 

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well the key in that situation is you think Fields can be that guy. You don't trade for Fields unless you think he can be your QB long-term. I don't so I wouldn't do the deal, but if the Patriots did the deal it would be because they planned for Fields to be their guy.
And there's no way, based on what we've seen Fields put on NFL tape that we could possibly think that. If that stuff was on tape, we'd hear about multiple teams being interested.
 

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And there's no way, based on what we've seen Fields put on NFL tape that we could possibly think that. If that stuff was on tape, we'd hear about multiple teams being interested.
In Fields? THere are definitely multiple teams interested. I would guess CHI has at least 3 teams if not more very interested.
 
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Pittsburgh would make sense. They’re out of range for the top QB prospects, their 2nd rounder is low enough to think Fields has more upside than whatever prospect is there. Not sure Fields’ propensity for turnovers would sit well with Tomlin but they have plenty of other pieces in place on offense
 

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Ultimately, the price will probably be too high, but do you ever trade for Fields and draft a QB at 3? If Fields could be had for a 3rd and a future late-round pick?

It brings some competition into camp without getting Mac involved in the starter conversation. I don't think Fields is going to become a good QB in the future, but the jury is still somewhat out. I see it as buying another QB lottery ticket if they don't want to double dip in the draft.
 

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Not sure if it's better here or the mock thread, but Kiper has his latest mock out, and he has Williams 1, Daniels 2, Maye 3.

I don't normally put a ton of stock into what Kiper says (or really, most draftniks), but I think there is a ton of value this year in knowing what everyone is thinking about how the first two picks will go.

Personally I'd be pretty damn fired up if Maye is there at 3, either to take him, or to trade down. I don't have a similar feeling about Daniels. I'm not as high on him, and I think there would be less demand for a trade.

YMMV.
 

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Not sure if it's better here or the mock thread, but Kiper has his latest mock out, and he has Williams 1, Daniels 2, Maye 3.

I don't normally put a ton of stock into what Kiper says (or really, most draftniks), but I think there is a ton of value this year in knowing what everyone is thinking about how the first two picks will go.

Personally I'd be pretty damn fired up if Maye is there at 3, either to take him, or to trade down. I don't have a similar feeling about Daniels. I'm not as high on him, and I think there would be less demand for a trade.

YMMV.
Kiper was one of the first who said he thought Daniels would go 2. He's probably not the best scout anymore, but he's probably the guy who gets the most info from teams
 

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Justin Fields has started 38 games.
  • In 25 of them he has thrown for under 200 yards
  • He has thrown for over 250 yards as many times as he has thrown for under 100 yards (6 each)
  • He has one 300 yard passing game.
He has missed 11 of 51 possible games (49 since his first start).

I don't get it, am I missing something? Should we try to trade for Daniel Jones too? Is this some residual desire from when we all wanted Bill to move up for him in the draft?

This does not have the look of a player who is going to lead a winning team deep into the playoffs. QB is more important than ever and you need a guy whose arm and decision making you can rely on. Maybe one of the top 3 pick is such a guy. I am squinting real hard at Fields and I'm sorry but I just don't see why we would kick the QB can down the road for this particular player. He would be more interesting as the team's QB but that's about it.
 

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Justin Fields has started 38 games.
  • In 25 of them he has thrown for under 200 yards
  • He has thrown for over 250 yards as many times as he has thrown for under 100 yards (6 each)
  • He has one 300 yard passing game.
He has missed 11 of 51 possible games (49 since his first start).

I don't get it, am I missing something? Should we try to trade for Daniel Jones too? Is this some residual desire from when we all wanted Bill to move up for him in the draft?

This does not have the look of a player who is going to lead a winning team deep into the playoffs. QB is more important than ever and you need a guy whose arm and decision making you can rely on. Maybe one of the top 3 pick is such a guy. I am squinting real hard at Fields and I'm sorry but I just don't see why we would kick the QB can down the road for this particular player. He would be more interesting as the team's QB but that's about it.
Here is the case for Fields:
1. He's 24 (will be 25 on opening day)
2. He's one of the 2-3 best rushers at the QB position ever.
3. He's improved as a passer each year in the league.
4. His first 2 years he had arguably the worst offensive roster in the league.
5. After Getsy changed the offense mid-year last season his performance and the overall team competitiveness improved indicating there may be scheme upside.

Now, is that combined with physical tool enough... who knows, but he's better tahn Daniel Jones.

Not that it matters, I'm pretty sure he's basically done to ATL (vegas pulled the line after his agent heavily hinted at it)
 
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Justin Fields has started 38 games.
  • In 25 of them he has thrown for under 200 yards
  • He has thrown for over 250 yards as many times as he has thrown for under 100 yards (6 each)
  • He has one 300 yard passing game.
He has missed 11 of 51 possible games (49 since his first start).

I don't get it, am I missing something? Should we try to trade for Daniel Jones too? Is this some residual desire from when we all wanted Bill to move up for him in the draft?

This does not have the look of a player who is going to lead a winning team deep into the playoffs. QB is more important than ever and you need a guy whose arm and decision making you can rely on. Maybe one of the top 3 pick is such a guy. I am squinting real hard at Fields and I'm sorry but I just don't see why we would kick the QB can down the road for this particular player. He would be more interesting as the team's QB but that's about it.
Even ignoring the stats (which I agree paint a dim picture of him), he still has the same flaws he did when he came out. He doesn’t work through his progressions well, he takes a ridiculous amount of sacks, he takes way too long to throw the ball. Even with an elite WR, solid OL and some ok secondary weapons he didn’t exactly light it up last year.

If you squint hard enough at his best games, sure it looks like he has some ability. But you could say the same of Mac Jones or Zach Wilson who have been in the league the same amount of time and had similar amounts of promise coming out of school.

I’d actually argue that through 3 seasons, Mac has shown more to buy into long term than Fields and I don’t know that anyone would advocate giving Jones a shot as being a full time starter. Put Mac on last year’s Bears team and as a passer he probably looks a lot better than Fields as a thrower. I would assume people who are pro-Fields are buying heavily into the value of his running ability and discounting just how bad he is at throwing and decision making relative to what you’d expect from a good starting quarterback.

Fields, Mac, Wilson all are bad options for any team and to believe in any of them moving forward you need to ignore a whole lot of awful play at the NFL level and buy into the promise they showed in college. But what has Fields done to show he can actually realize his potential as a passer? We know he can run. But you need to be able to throw the ball well to be a good NFL QB unless you’re a once in a lifetime runner like Jackson
 

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Kiper was one of the first who said he thought Daniels would go 2. He's probably not the best scout anymore, but he's probably the guy who gets the most info from teams
Do you really think he gets more information than Jeremiah? He seems to be the most up on everything to me. (Although Kiper definitely still has sources)
 

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Do you really think he gets more information than Jeremiah? He seems to be the most up on everything to me. (Although Kiper definitely still has sources)
They're the top 2. I think also someone did an analysis and Kiper's final mock actually performs the best in terms of exact matches (which usually come from inside info).
Jeremiah also has a lot of sources.
 

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Phil Perry with two interesting nuggets on his latest podcast from Indy. One is that Caleb Williams is not everybody's #1 QB on the board and that the Bears are not locked in on Williams as their pick. In his words, this week in Indy matters for Williams in terms of how he interacts in the meetings.
 

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Reporting from the Athletic says the Pats are very focused on QB.

https://theathletic.com/5305304/2024/02/29/patriots-nfl-scouting-combine-draft/

The Patriots really want to draft a quarterback with the No. 3 pick. The front office wrapped up its pre-free-agency meetings a week ago and seems to be on the same page that the best way to jump-start this rebuild and yield long-term success is to find a young quarterback in the NFL Draft to build around.

The Patriots’ decision-makers know there are a lot of holes on the roster beyond the quarterback position. They know there’s one roster-building sentiment that suggests they’d be wise to improve the rest of the team before dropping a rookie quarterback into it — that a rookie quarterback won’t be set up for success until the rest of the roster is better.

But the Patriots look at it like this: If you get the rare chance to draft one of the top prospects at the game’s most valuable position, it’s worth taking a big swing even if the surrounding roster isn’t great. The quarterback position is simply too important to risk passing on one in hopes of maybe landing one a year or two later.
The Patriots don’t want to make the same mistake. And even better for them, taking a QB at No. 3 won’t solely be about filling a need. They’ll be getting a player they actually covet. According to several NFL executives unassociated with the Patriots, the top available quarterback prospects appear to align with top decision-maker Eliot Wolf’s preferred QB traits.

Which one they can draft at No. 3 will hinge largely on how this week goes. Williams is expected to be taken with the first pick, but it’s unclear whether the Washington Commanders favor Maye or Daniels at No. 2.
Also says they will likely be looking to trade Mac and Devante Parker.
 

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Also says they will likely be looking to trade Mac and Devante Parker.
What exactly could they get for Devante? This is arguably the deepest WR class in at least a decade. To think a team would give anything for a 31YO 4th WR with no ST value is laughable. Gee maybe we can include Juju while we are at it. To move Devante they would probably have to attach a draft pick to him. Better to just eat the contract with all their cap space.

I could see a team taking a flier on Mac for a 6th since he was a productive player in 2021. We have to go back to 2020 for a moderately productive season from Parker. Certainly he hasn't created trade value since then.
 

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What exactly could they get for Devante? This is arguably the deepest WR class in at least a decade. To think a team would give anything for a 31YO 4th WR with no ST value is laughable. Gee maybe we can include Juju while we are at it. To move Devante they would probably have to attach a draft pick to him. Better to just eat the contract with all their cap space.

I could see a team taking a flier on Mac for a 6th since he was a productive player in 2021. We have to go back to 2020 for a moderately productive season from Parker. Certainly he hasn't created trade value since then.
Cap relief is the reason they want to trade him. They can save an additional $3 million in cap room relative to what would happen if they cut him outright. The return? I would expect a conditional 7th or a player in a comparable situation (someone whose team is dissatisfied and is looking to get out from under).
 

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I know the reason to trade him I just don't see a team taking the contract unless they either need to get to the floor, not sure there are any teams in that position, or NE attaches value to him. He hasn't reached 600yds receiving since 2020. For a bigger WR he only has 5 TDs the last 3 seasons, 0 in 2023. I'm not sure he receives another contract if he is released given his age and lack of productivity.
 

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What exactly could they get for Devante? This is arguably the deepest WR class in at least a decade. To think a team would give anything for a 31YO 4th WR with no ST value is laughable. Gee maybe we can include Juju while we are at it. To move Devante they would probably have to attach a draft pick to him. Better to just eat the contract with all their cap space.

I could see a team taking a flier on Mac for a 6th since he was a productive player in 2021. We have to go back to 2020 for a moderately productive season from Parker. Certainly he hasn't created trade value since then.
might be able to get a late pick for Devante. He's miscast as a #1 WR, but at his low cost (new team would get him at 1/$3m) he could help teams. Not sure what the WR class has to do with it. Sure it's deep, but not with 6'3" guys and even a "deep class" is a pretty small amount of players, the odds a 5th or 6th turns into a player who even sticks are pretty low, that the player can be trusted year 1 even less so. To me the easiest way to see why Devante might have value is to look at FA, there is very little out there. Looking at last year, a team getting Parker would be getting him for less than Nelson Agholor signed for.
 

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Phil Perry with two interesting nuggets on his latest podcast from Indy. One is that Caleb Williams is not everybody's #1 QB on the board and that the Bears are not locked in on Williams as their pick. In his words, this week in Indy matters for Williams in terms of how he interacts in the meetings.
Meh. This is the kind of shit that people say before every draft. The media machine makes the draft 90% more interesting than it ends up actually being.

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that ends up being of interest is what order Maye/Daniels goes, and I think we're already in the media spin cycle with regards to that, too. Pretty sure this shakes out exactly how we thought it would 2 months ago. Williams-Maye-Daniels in that order.

Despite the campaigning, Chicago knows Fields isn't the answer. Washington needs a QB. The Patriots finally remember what it's like to have a shit QB. Unless getting blown away, none of these teams are trading the pick or drafting Harrison. This is the draft media BS we all have already acknowledged exists.
 
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FWIW, odds are now -425 that Justin Fields gets traded to Atlanta. At the beginning of the week they were +250. Lots of smoke on Twitter as well about him headed to Atlanta.
 

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FWIW, odds are now -425 that Justin Fields gets traded to Atlanta. At the beginning of the week they were +250. Lots of smoke on Twitter as well about him headed to Atlanta.
He's getting traded somewhere. Any reason why Atlanta is the hot pick?
 

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As long as he doesn't go to the Pats...
FWIW, odds are now -425 that Justin Fields gets traded to Atlanta. At the beginning of the week they were +250. Lots of smoke on Twitter as well about him headed to Atlanta.
We will look back on this and be thankful the Patriots passed here...
 

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Meh. This is the kind of shit that people say before every draft. The media machine makes the draft 90% more interesting than it ends up actually being.

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that ends up being of interest is what order Maye/Daniels goes, and I think we're already in the media spin cycle with regards to that, too. Pretty sure this shakes out exactly how we thought it would 2 months ago. Williams-Maye-Daniels in that order.

Despite the campaigning, Chicago knows Fields isn't the answer. Washington needs a QB. The Patriots finally remember what it's like to have a shit QB. Unless getting blown away, none of these teams are trading the pick or drafting Harrison. This is the draft media BS we all have already acknowledged exists.
It's all conjecture at this point. This is half the fun of the draft reading the stuff that comes out for different reasons.
 

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I know the reason to trade him I just don't see a team taking the contract unless they either need to get to the floor, not sure there are any teams in that position, or NE attaches value to him. He hasn't reached 600yds receiving since 2020. For a bigger WR he only has 5 TDs the last 3 seasons, 0 in 2023. I'm not sure he receives another contract if he is released given his age and lack of productivity.
I'm not sure I see the point in trading him, at least not now. Cap space is not an issue for the Pats. I'd bring him and JJSS and the rest into camp and see how it shakes out. With a rookie QB (hopefully) we will need some vet presence on offense. And who knows, maybe there's an injury on one of the contenders and you can trade him late in camp for a better pick in 2025 than you'll get now.
 

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I'm not sure I see the point in trading him, at least not now. Cap space is not an issue for the Pats. I'd bring him and JJSS and the rest into camp and see how it shakes out. With a rookie QB (hopefully) we will need some vet presence on offense. And who knows, maybe there's an injury on one of the contenders and you can trade him late in camp for a better pick in 2025 than you'll get now.
I think they plan to sign at least 1 WR in FA, Juju and Pop will be here, probably want to bring back Bourne over Parker and draft at least 1 WR. If you can save $3m for your FA spending and get say a Hardman type trade (maybe better) it makes some sense. Trading in camp is harder than in FA, teams already planned out their roster and cap. and I don't think they want to bring him into the season over developing younger guys.

Would make a lot of sense to do something like send him to KC with a 2025 7th for a conditional 2025 pick than can move from a 6th to a 5th or even 4th based on performance. KC needs guys who can be trusted to catch the ball when it hits their hands, not fumble, and line up correctly, and they're tight on money so a cheap trade makes sense.
 

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might be able to get a late pick for Devante. He's miscast as a #1 WR, but at his low cost (new team would get him at 1/$3m) he could help teams. Not sure what the WR class has to do with it. Sure it's deep, but not with 6'3" guys and even a "deep class" is a pretty small amount of players, the odds a 5th or 6th turns into a player who even sticks are pretty low, that the player can be trusted year 1 even less so. To me the easiest way to see why Devante might have value is to look at FA, there is very little out there. Looking at last year, a team getting Parker would be getting him for less than Nelson Agholor signed for.
I mean he is worth that.